IM sticking to the point , not getting involved in the club thing.
We won my confidence is raising a little. We have to be promoted. On to rossies a win there and we back with a bang.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/02/2015 16:49:13    1691745

Northmeathman

You often make good points and it is a game of opinions,but Menton at 3? Now way jose :)

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 09/02/2015 17:05:50    1691753

northmeathman You saw the match as i did in many ways. Most annoying why forwards[Bray exepted] does not show for ball . Menton is gaining a reputation as one of the best ball carriers in the game. To me one of the highlights of the game was his bursts of speed with good ball control plus he can score. WHY would you waste his strenghts at full back ??? Mc Guill has earned his place there for now anyway. Tormey delivered big time when the chips were down.
My major concern is why team are so lacking in confidence? Ok Newman will come back to form. As a TEAM mentally we are weak other than flashes above.Hope management address that now by bringing in someone for that job NOW ! In my view that is TOP PRIORITY. Even a few sessions with the right man can make a massive difference attitude wise. At a total loss to understand why forwards are not coached to show up in open spaces. Even Kildare with so many behind the ball still left plenty of open spaces. I will go as far as saying opposition played with so many behind the ball is often just as an excuse for us not taking charge of tactics
We accept we are VICTIMS with that thinking. With good coaching for the mental side of the game we could make good progress. Without it we will stagnate

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1228 - 09/02/2015 17:12:47    1691758

Can not understand Carroll not getting more game time! His foot passing is top quality. His attitude might not be the best but he can unlock blanket defence with long foot pass. He is stronger than at least 3 starting forwards

Judgemental (Meath) - Posts: 11 - 09/02/2015 19:05:48    1691826

I agree Power would be a good option for CHB but would prefer Melia especially with the game we play. Better reader of the game and much better distributor of the ball. Good to see E.Wallace back as gives more options in the forwards and we need forwards who can run at defences. Keoghan much better in the corner as we seen Saturday night. My 15 would be,
Paddy
Keoghan
McGill
D.Dalton
D.Tobin
Melia/Power
Menton
Rooney
Flanagan
Biggy
E.Wallace
Tormey
S.Tobin
S.Bray
Newman

meathforsam09 (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 09/02/2015 19:46:52    1691853

Ziggy agree completely they ball into the forwards was atrocious... but dare I say - are the forwards to stand hand on hips and wait for the quality ball..?

In fairness the ball in was bad and as a result esp in first half Meath resorted to snap shots and there was plenty of 'weak' wides..

I think people are understanding that there is something amiss - is there a tangible plan!?!?
I don't mind if players try their best and are beaten by are better team.. reality is we are looking at Meath and scratching our heads thinking....well we should win but...........
And I know deep down that when March comes and we expect a battle from this meath team we will probable get a whimper ..It is just what is to be expected nowadays unfortunately

Royalio11 (Meath) - Posts: 757 - 09/02/2015 19:52:07    1691856

Judgemental
It's only 2nd league game calm down long time til end of summer a spell on the bench do Damien no harm at all..make him hungry

blind ref (Meath) - Posts: 204 - 09/02/2015 20:49:44    1691880

Richieq, I have nothing against Ratoath, i just have a problem with 5 players from a club and inter one at that playing for the first team. Its madness and a clear sign how poor club football, even if a club won the senior championship 5 players is too many.

Regarding Menton I was basing my full back roll due to his sigerson experience in this position but I was extremely impressed with his pace on the ball against Kildare, pace I did not see in the championship in the same position.
If McGill keeps up the promise he should on Sat night then I have no problem with Menton at whb.

PS Who is/was the manager of Ratoath!!! Sorry for going off theme:)

Northmeathman (Meath) - Posts: 284 - 10/02/2015 08:53:19    1691920

Richieq - Northmeathman makes a valid and relevant point. It is strange situation that a team who are not good enough to win an intermediate championship have 5 players represented on the county senior team. We all know that the players concerned are all good players, however, there are many good players within the county. Maybe someone somewhere rates the standard higher in the lower grades!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 10/02/2015 14:16:25    1692099

What difference does it make what club level lads are playing at?? if Ratoath have 5 quality players on their team then they deserve to be in the panel, 5 lads dont win a championship, it takes 15-20 lads to do that and maybe even more!!! All the lads are in their on merit have been among the stand out players on the U21 team last year alongside flanagan etc. People on this have to realize Meath are not a powerhouse in Inter County football anymore and if we want to be we need to get the lads in while they are young and develop them. McGill is flying at full back and Power has laid down serious claims for a spot against Roscommon, McMahon was one of our brighter new players last season and joey wallace was a stand out for the U21 so deserves a crack at it in the league at the very least.
Instead of criticising the management/team and targeting a particular club and the amount of players they have on the panel, how about getting behind them and supporting them??!!

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 10/02/2015 14:49:46    1692119

will the locals from Ratoath please stop with defending the indefensible.. I dont care where a player is from or grade they play at and it's not their fault but serious questions have to be asked how so many are selected at co u21 and senior and yet your an intermediate club when Ballinlough won the championship with not one county player.

Give me a bucket with u need 15-20 lads to win a club championship!!
Even in the last 20 years, top successfull clubs like Dushaughlin, Skyrne, Yellow Furze, Wolf Tones and The Wood in the 90's had 2 players at most of the senior co panels.

An inter club with 5 co players on the senior team at least 2 on the u21 panel should be winning the senior championship pulling up as the standard presently is poor.

MOD is the problem here and I'm shocked at his performance in the last 2 years, for a man who played with and against the greats, trained under Boylan u would think he would be able to see a Meath senior footballer..

Northmeathman (Meath) - Posts: 284 - 10/02/2015 15:36:13    1692145

Well I am not from Ratoath,but I would have E.Wallace,Conor McGill and Bryan McMahon on the panel without question..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 10/02/2015 16:48:44    1692171

Since when does individual talent win a team sport??? Northmeathman you really are clueless if thats what you believe!! Under age for the last 2-3 years Ratoath have been the best team with the best players (2 U21 division 1 titles) and all players performing well at U21 county so deserve their chance with the seniors!! Name 2 defenders you would play or have in the panel ahead of McGill and Power?? Also Forwards you would have in ahead of E Wallace, McMahon or J Wallace based on club form?? These lads have produced up to this and deserve a chance!! The only one I can think of is Cian Ward based on form from last year, maybe Daire Rowe as well!! Other lads have gotten chances and not taken them, these lads are been given a chance and rightly so, if they dont take em then they should and will be dropped. MOD is not one for sentiment and showed that in axeing the dead wood when he came in like most ppl on this wanted him to!!!

If the best 15 players in the county are from the one club then they are the players that should be picked end of story, no arguments!!!

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 10/02/2015 18:12:34    1692207

Ratoath have 5 lads on the panel because they are good enough to be there and will be there for the next 10 years if they want to be.
Both wallace's, Mcgill, Power, Mcmahon are super footballers. Bobby O Brien should be no 11 for Meath. Why not use his undoubted talent. Hw is he not on the panel. IMO Ratoath would have 2 more if Glen O Reilly and Shane Clayton did not transfer to Dublin clubs.
There is a big difference between very good club footballers and inter county footballers. None of the Ballinlough lads have the mobility and speed of them lads apart from Paeder Byrne (best intermediate player last year).
Experience momentum and no expectations allowed Ballinlough to go on that run. They will be hammered next year in senior. Ratoath will win a senior in the first year they get there.

Footballonly (Meath) - Posts: 128 - 10/02/2015 18:23:05    1692212

I though Rowe could have possibly been on the panel this year,how old is he?

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 10/02/2015 19:06:52    1692221

Seeing as this is a thread regarding the Meath/Kildare match i might as well post a statement with some bit of a connection to the title, first of all i taught our forwards were dreadful, Tormey had a solid enough performance and i taught Sean Tobin played well when introduced, Newman was okay but no great quality ball going into him, the rest were pretty much out of it, Flanagan was good in midfield but didn't see much of Rooney throughout the game, the backs are okay, think Keoghan and Menton are really pulling their weight this year as is McGill who did decent at full back, i don't think Harnan is up to scratch at all though so i would like to see Brian Power given a chance at number five

Watch_The_Post (Australia) - Posts: 14 - 10/02/2015 19:08:45    1692225

Ratlag you talk about club form- there is a difference between senior and intermediate and maybe you will find that out whenever you go senior. You need individual talent to win All-Irelands and just look at Kerry last year. Very good teams are made up of good players and some with exceptional talent. I could name many players on the All Ireland winning Meath teams of past who had individual talent.

Footballonly - Ballinlough won the intermediate championship because they were the best team in the intermediate, and in case you are not aware the best team usually wins the competition.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 10/02/2015 19:42:57    1692245

I dont give a fiddlers where they are from, what grade as long as when selected they give it everything for Meath. Anyway, who knows who will make it through this challenging period in Meath football?. In fairness MOD does not do sentiment it seems,and rightly so. Thinking ahead we want players with HEART and pride in the jersey. I counted 6 on Saturday.We need about 14 more for the next match. I expected those players to show true grit. Over the next period i think we can see a big move forward for this team. This, no doubt can be done through thoughtful and carefully planned sessions designed to meet the NEEDS of the TEAM at this time. I have no doubt whatsoever our team need confidence building management as an absolute priority. Of course physical fitness and coaching is a pre. requisite.. Attitude which in my view in a mixture of confidence,determination,self belief,football intelligence,team worker,endurance and persistence.will move mountains for us in Div 2 at least. To my mind this specific training and development is essential now, and has been there as a need for a long time. Look at how Donegal improved in such a short time.Those players were not all top class, but Jimmy Mc Guinness designed and implemented mental development plan to meet their needs .Did it work ? Jim Gavin has the answer!

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1228 - 10/02/2015 19:48:49    1692248

ziggy320001
I think Daire is 18 at the minute, doing the leaving cert this ear so is probably taking a break from county football, definitley one for the panel next year

Watch_The_Post (Australia) - Posts: 14 - 10/02/2015 20:04:46    1692262

Instead of sourcing modern development and training methods, Northmeathman did nothing but talk. Now that he is left behind by South Meath Clubs who were awake and alert he naturally feels bitter and jealous. Attempting to undermine very young stars anonymously is however cowardly and scurrilous and lowers his standing further.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 518 - 11/02/2015 10:19:07    1692357