Agree with RD on this re: team positions:

1 P O'Rourke
2 keoghan 3 K Reilly 4 young
5 Kenny 6 Menton 7 burke
8 Meade 9 S O'Rourke
10 tobin 11 tormey 12 carroll
13 mcmahon 14 bray 15 newman

My I believe we were NEVER going to beat the Dubs man-to-man marking, so hope we learn from that.

RoyalSt.Pat (Meath) - Posts: 333 - 23/07/2014 08:58:09    1624584

chriscart580

Ye I agree and I think the team and the tactics were fiddled far too much, ok so there's no harm in trying new things, going toe to toe last year kept us well in the game for 55mins but ultimately failed. But I think MOD has fiddled the team a little too much this year, he seems to try and adapt to every opponent we play instead of developing a strong gameplan and forcing the opposition to adapt to us, trying to contain the Dubs this year proved a disaster so let's never go down that road again.

We still have a good group of players though and all is not lost, the 'biting' incident looks to be over and thankfully we have till saturday week to regroup which is a big help. A QF appearance is still well on the cards, Armagh are good and they're difficult to break down but we do have the fire power to get past them so let's hope MOD just sends the lads out to play our game and not let Armagh dictate the terms.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 23/07/2014 09:53:47    1624616

Looking at a couple of the teams above Redser 123 has a decent looking team except that I am not keen on Kevin Reilly at midfield.
Billy 17 where are you going with Young instead of Menton ? 7 subs used the last day (incl blood sub) and Young didn't feature.
Only 2 backs I would be worried about after Sunday are Harro and Harnan. Both of these were well exposed by McMenamin and Alan Brogan.
Menton kept Connolly as quiet as I have seen him and Tobin did as well as anybody could on Paul Flynn. Tormey and O Rourke are good players but neither have any defensive ability in midfield.

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 321 - 23/07/2014 10:11:22    1624631

Foreverroyal, No point just picking out the negatives about David Bray. He set up the goal with a lovely pass into his brother who hit it down to Newman. These could work well together. He also showed great strength to shrug off his man who was hanging out of him and score a fine point. A point more than some got. Think he deserves a place maybe ahead of graham reilly. Its not about oh graham has to be dropped, at this stage its more about giving someone else a chance to offer more.

ClassApart (Meath) - Posts: 1200 - 23/07/2014 11:33:23    1624687

Well Mick O'Dowd said playing a bit more defensively or playing sweepers was never an option and isn't the Meath way... I am sorry,but you have to adapt to different teams and situations..

By the way,I cannot believe people are putting Young in their team..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 23/07/2014 11:46:19    1624696

RD

Ya that is trying to be too clever,and to be honest,Micko got the whole thing horribly wrong..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 23/07/2014 11:48:26    1624698

Anyone agree that McMahon should play off the ff line? Lets say for example you have Newman and Bray,and a half forward line of three,I really think McMahon would do well,in trying to work off the two lads.He has the speed and can take a score.He is very small,so prob a bit early for him to be playing number 11

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 23/07/2014 11:53:48    1624703

1. P O Rourke

2. D Keoghan
3. K. Reilly
4. C Young

5. D Tobin
6. B Menton
7. D Caroll

8 S. O'Rourke
9 B Meade

10. A Tormey
11. S Bray
12. G Reilly

13. D.Bray
14. M Newman
15. S Kenny - Get the breaks at middle field

Just my thoughts

pa1 (Meath) - Posts: 9 - 23/07/2014 13:04:47    1624748

Not sure why many are picking Carroll at 7,his best performance have in general being at wing forward.Again,he should play there or be on the bench.

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 23/07/2014 13:21:09    1624760

genuinely dont see the point of having kev reilly full back for this game and thats not being critical of him because i think he has been excellent so far this championship, armagh play a 2 man inside line with clarke and carragher and often just a 1 man with only clarke, surely reilly isnt the man to pick up either of them, i would have thought keoghan and tobin would pick them up, i see no problem bringing him out to midfield for this game to add physicality and a direct approach

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 404 - 23/07/2014 14:23:43    1624799

Ziggy he played well there in the latter part of the league.

I'd be more concerned with everybody putting Menton at 6, he was there early in the league and he centre of our defence was more open than the mouth of the Boyne. Our defence improved markedly when Keogan went to 6 and Menton to midfield yet the majority appear to want Keogan at 2 and Menton back at 6. I'm baffled by it all.

jackhackett (Meath) - Posts: 773 - 23/07/2014 15:10:50    1624831

The performance of some players on Sunday was not good lads. No point overlooking this and blaming tactics. Only Reilly, Tobin and Bray played well for the full 70 minutes. Keoghan was good in the first half and Newman in the second.

Bringing on Joey Wallace was a mistake. Starting McDonagh instead of Meade was a mistake. Harnan dropping into space when his man got the ball was a mistake. But they were some awful performances out on the pitch too and tactics didn't cause these.

For the Armagh game, I can't see too many changes. No point at this stage of the championship either. The team that started the Dublin match was Micko's championship team coming out the League bar McDonagh starting instead of Gillespie. Burke and Harrington has been a close one. I can see one change in the backs and one in the forwards for Armagh, and that's about it really. There will be no major positional changes either.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 23/07/2014 18:14:26    1624939

Pa 1 not sure Meath need a 3rd mid from the start but if things got bad brininging I kenny as 3rd mid would be a good move I agree bray should be at 11 other wise it's 1 of the best teams I've seen

Billy17 (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 23/07/2014 18:25:23    1624947

I think bray at 11 would work but the problem would be who would win the ball in the full forward line then I also feel that this could be brays last year but hopefully not

shrek95 (Meath) - Posts: 77 - 23/07/2014 18:36:43    1624959

Funny...under banty we had woeful inconsistency in games. Now under mod we have inconsistency between games. Which meath will show up vs armagh?

Mod spoke about getting some consistency and stability going after taking ove last year. This work is not yet complete. We need a stable team with consistent performances before tinkering

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 23/07/2014 19:11:08    1624985

The sideline can't win a game but they can get you beat.
A phrase my old club manager use to say.

foreverroyal (Meath) - Posts: 349 - 23/07/2014 21:02:37    1625046

I don't think we will see too many changes as someone pointed out barring gillespie and Meade that was our championship team.
Yep Ziggy trying to be too clever and back fired hugely.
No errors this time play players in their position, focus on ourselves and change things as needed in realtime.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/07/2014 09:01:11    1625092

It is VITAL we start this game well,as Armagh are bound to be more confident..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 24/07/2014 10:04:33    1625113

Lads does anyone think cian ward or Jamie Queeney get a look in der i mean i was at wolftones vs Na Fianna and by far the two best players on pitch and iv seen a lot if na Fianna this year and the lad Queeney is playing outrageous football i think now ward or Jamie would be much better than Joey Wallace or Brian McMahon ther!

Royalyellow (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 24/07/2014 10:55:00    1625145

How about this for a theory: We carried on against Dublin as we played all the second half against Kildare. Were we lucky that Kildare forgot to turn up in the first half (remember how inconsisent our southern neighbours can be)?

Also against Carlow we created no space at all in the first half and it was only when they conceded a sloppy penalty that the floodgates opened. 13 points is a miserable return over 70 minutes with 60 - 70% possession' I know they hit 7 goals but still only 20 scores the same number of points as Dublin got last Sunday.

Now for Armagh, we folded against them in the League a coughed up a good lead and during that League Armagh had a torrid time. Since then in the Championship they overwhelmed Cavan, whom we found too hot to handle in the League, drew with Monaghan, who we cannot handle at all so optimism cannot be high unless each and every team member decides that enough is enough and decides that they will not let themselves down again like they did against Dublin, Monaghan, Cavan and in the second half against Kildare.Time to get the finger out lads!!!

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1066 - 24/07/2014 11:14:03    1625163