Agree one bad game does not make us a bad team, but when was the last game that Meath played well for the full 70 mins? We are still capable of beating Armagh with right selection and right tactics

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 21/07/2014 20:05:59    1623418

I did not think mcMahon was that bad.. I think Wallace has being thrown in the deep end,barely of school wasn't in the panel in the league either.Not sure if he has what it takes to make the grade either.Time will tell..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 21/07/2014 20:06:58    1623419

Ziggy Keoghan was marking Bernard Brogan.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 21/07/2014 20:15:36    1623426

we can't changed what happened but can learn from it. As always lots of advice form Dublin supporters on where we are going wrong. Thought tactics were wrong, Dublin knew what we were going to do and were ready for it. We need to get focused for Armagh or we will lose.

Meathmen (Meath) - Posts: 73 - 21/07/2014 20:16:57    1623427

This is the Meath team from the Irish Times website:
MEATH: 1 P O'Rourke; 6 D Keogan, 3 K Reilly; 2 E Harrington; 5 P Harnan, 7 D Tobin, 4 B Menton; 9 S O'Rourke (0-2, both frees), 12 A Tormey (0-2); 11 B McMahon, 15 M Newman (1-2, one free), 10 D Carroll (0-1); 13 G Reilly, 14 S Bray (0-2), 20 D McDonagh.
Subs: 25 J Wallace for G Reilly (31 mins), M Burke for Carroll (half-time), 21 D Bray (0-1) for McDonagh, 8 B Meade for S O'Rourke (both 46 mins), 26 J McEntee for McMahon (53 mins, inj), 24 M O'Sullivan for Menton (53 mins), 23 P Gilsenan for Tobin (70 mins).

I was wondering about this yesterday. Did we use 7 subs? I didn't notice a blood sub being called for any of them. If we made a booboo is there any chance the result could be wiped and the match just awarded to Dublin? We'll take the default defeat of 3 points or whatever it is.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 21/07/2014 20:51:33    1623466

Greenfield

There was a blood sub at one point,it was McMahon

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 21/07/2014 21:27:28    1623538

We dust ourselves down and move on. We have a game Saturday week that is the most important game we have played in long time . it will give us the opportunity to prove that final was just one of those things a meltdown, a freak result, call it whatever. Or it will prove we have not actually improved and radical surgery is needed. Its mods defining game if we win it gives us a shot at Donegal in all ire quarter final. What bigger motivation should you need.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/07/2014 08:54:16    1623616

" One bad game does not make us a bad team" Rubbish !!! Lets call a spade a spade...We ARE a bad team ! You can only repair or improve if you ACCEPT that reality. We were an embarassement against Dublin. Even compare last year against Dublin and this years . No spirit[excluding S Bray who got no support when needed] and Kevin Reilly. A couple of others were trying their best yes. NO marking for Cluxton's kick outs etc. etc. Serious questions have to be asked now and ANSWERED.....Enough said for now !!

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1227 - 22/07/2014 10:41:09    1623703

terrible to see everybody slagging of the team. the lads tried and I'm 100% sure that no one commenting on this would do any better. terrible to see everybody slagging off mc donagh especially since he did a lot of hard work against Kildare and played a huge part in them winning the game. also he caught a great ball and set up the disallowed goal had that counted people would have been saying completely the opposite about him and regarding mc mahon and Wallace the modern game is not all about strength just because your light does not make you a bad footballer and I think these 2 young lads are only learning and will be better next year. Also a few players who should be on the panel I think Jamie queeney possibly his brother dan, cian ward probably a lot more lads who should be on it but who aren't any1 else have an opinion on this

Billy17 (Meath) - Posts: 13 - 22/07/2014 12:25:24    1623846

Billy17

The whole team did NOT give 100%

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 22/07/2014 14:35:18    1624039

Sean Boylan didnt win a leinster for five years after taking the meath job.
Take a deep breath and move on after all Rome wasnt built in a day.

atta (Meath) - Posts: 698 - 22/07/2014 14:40:07    1624049

I agree with ProEvo and ive said it many times on this site and have been lambasted for it.

The management team were far too hasty in discarding the likes of Ward, Queeney, Farrell and Lenehan. Everyones rhetoric was thay we need pace pace pace...well Ward was no slouch when he was scoring spectacular goals against the same Dublin defenders in the recent past. Hes also a big strong lad and wouldnt be bullied around. Ditto Queeney and Lenehan (who was centre back on a very good UCD Sigerson team this year that included a number of the Dublin starters on Sunday).

Are you telling me that these lads shouldnt even be in the squad? Farrell is 30, Ward 28. Thats not too old. Neither are married nor have children. In my view, it was a bad call from management to drop them like that. They wanted to make a statement. And it was proven right on Sunday

You can say what you want about Banty, but he wouldnt have put out a team so woefully exposed and lacking in fight and physicality like that. He also had an eye for a player -Donncha Tobin, one of best hopes as he is as close to a Paul Flynn as we can get, didnt even make the U21 panel when Giles was in charge. It wasnt until Banty saw him playing for his club that he was brought into the senior set up.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 22/07/2014 14:50:10    1624066

An alternative team to that being picked by MOD and co.


O'Rourke (As good as we have. Keep him on the frees and 45s)

Keoghan (Best corner back in the country, keep him there)
Reilly (our best full back)
Gill (outstanding at full back for the U21s against Dublin and Offaly)

Kenny (experienced shoulders needed, reliable and gives everything)
Harnan (this is his best position, holding the fort. Not man marking someone at corner back)
Lenehan (big strong, athletic, can take a score)

Flanagan (the most promising midfielder we've produced in a good while. Worth his place as a fielder in absence of Gillespie)
Tobin (the closest we have to a Dara McAuley. Serious engine in him to get around the field and very strong. Excellent tackler)

Tormey (out in half forwards and midfield area, leaving two man full fwd line inside)
Newman (this might be his best position as I dont think he is great at winnning his own ball. Undoubtedly a very good and athletic football though and could do damaage at 11)
Carroll (closest we have to a Giles, excellent footballer and great ball carrier)

Queeney (strong, good long range point scorer, Bring him out the field a bit to allow two man ff line)
O Rourke (we have potentially a class act on our hands but hes being used in the wrong way. Hes big, strong, fast and two footed. Why cant he develop into a top class full fwd like a Brogan or Murphy?)
Bray (nothing needs to be said)

Impact Subs
Sean Tobin (another not in the squad but outstanding at club level)
Graham Reilly (could be our McMenamin to be unleashed on tiring defences. Better than putting him wing back/midfield and taking him off after 20 mins anyway)
Ward (still the best forward in Meath in my opinion. A class act. DOES NOT lack pace. Very good acceleration to get by his man.
Carty (U21 corner back, slight but lightning fast)

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 22/07/2014 15:14:41    1624115

Lenihan big and strong???

Man he was a player that picked up a yellow everytime he made a tackle!

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 22/07/2014 15:40:51    1624168

Well I'm 6f 3 and 14 stone and I tackled him in a match last April and I damaged a nerve in my shoulder doing so. So yeah, hes big and strong. Who do you want on the team, the ROCK?

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 22/07/2014 16:05:03    1624199

Yes Crinigan that's my point. If players like Farrell and Ward were inside in the FF line we'd have far more of a scoring threat against top-class defences who would fear proven inter-county players with a presence. McDonagh, McMahon and Wallace were meant to be three of our main scoring threats but they butchered chance after chance. This lack of ability puts greater pressure on players like Bray, Newman and Reilly and they can't perform due to the extra work-load exerted upon them due to the inadequacies of those around them. Even David Bray should get a chance. I'd be more confident of him kicking scores than some of players MO'D seems to prefer. Lenehan also must be in there some-where, the persistence of playing Harrington in the corner isn't helping either. As I said, I understand the management are trying to stamp their authority and change things for the better, but getting rid of some of the best players in the county just doesn't help.

proevo (Meath) - Posts: 296 - 22/07/2014 16:08:49    1624205

Billy `17 Call a spade a spade! Anyone given the honour of wearing a Meath jersey against Dublin should give their very best. If their very best is not good enough that is ok. Several players did NOT give their best last sunday. They should be ashamed of thenselves,and if no improvement give the jersey back,or it should be taken back. Furthermore if management cannot see that they allowed Cluxton to kickout to an unmarked player on a consistent basis, without any attempt at remedy they should not be there either.
Any lack of commitment by any player is simply not acceptable...NO EXCUSES
Roy Keane may not be right in everything, but he was right on commitment and competitivness
For this poster unless i see a dramatic improvement in spirit and attitude i will take down the flag! Call that what you like. I'm sure many seasoned supporters who treasured the great battling qualities of Meath teams of the past may feel likewise.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1227 - 22/07/2014 18:15:37    1624336

i dont manage a team and most lads on here are the same and we all know how dublin play yet sunday looked like meath team had just met up that morning and turned up with no plan o dowd is lookin at these lads most of d year and does not seem to know how far off dublin we are ,yeah dublin are great but to me we are clueless could anyone tell me what if any tactics wer employed ,just on state of meath football did a course a few years back run by duddly farrell it was very good loads of tips drill the whole lot was covered the underage coach uesed the drills once and then went back to his way which involved the 2 or 3 best players being put on 1 team and everyone else being thrown together with none off the skills being practised no one being to look up and pass lads give up their free time but ontill teams at underage are trained by good coaches we wil never get anywhere does this sound about right. to anyone else

matthematx (Meath) - Posts: 177 - 22/07/2014 18:55:10    1624370

I don't believe some of the tripe I'm reading here, I do despair at times.......

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 22/07/2014 19:39:53    1624414

There were only 4/5 that were giving it their all, we discussed this lack of commitment to the Meath jersey during league, yet same players hiding when going gets tough. No problem been beaten by better team but this lack commitment not an option. Leaders on and off the pitch please stand up

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 22/07/2014 19:49:58    1624423