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Replying To dunboynelad:  "It's one thing mentioning injuries and weather before games as excuses but discussing it after winning is desperate, I was going to post this before but I actually expected Ratoath to win this, it was a meaningless game with not much to gain for either side, bar maybe confidence for Ratoath. Lenihan and Jones are far better than anything on this magical injury list, and I wouldn't be worrying about Dunboyne, I'd agree on Dunboyne being poor today but that's hardly a shock, it changes nothing."
A meaningless game?? And you say Ratoath Royal is desperate!!! Catch yourself on, Ratoath have a significant injury list and the fact that Dunboyne couldn't get a win today is more down to their inabilities than anything else, just accept the reality that what you never thought would happen had happened, Ratoath have beaten Dunboyne in the Senior Championship.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 10/09/2017 21:39:04    2044740

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Dunboyne are very poor without Donal lenihan, been like that for years

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 402 - 10/09/2017 22:38:41    2044757

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Replying To dunboynelad:  "It's one thing mentioning injuries and weather before games as excuses but discussing it after winning is desperate, I was going to post this before but I actually expected Ratoath to win this, it was a meaningless game with not much to gain for either side, bar maybe confidence for Ratoath. Lenihan and Jones are far better than anything on this magical injury list, and I wouldn't be worrying about Dunboyne, I'd agree on Dunboyne being poor today but that's hardly a shock, it changes nothing."
I'm not sure who you're trying to convince by saying it was a meaningless game. Who would Dunboyne rather play in the quarters: Wolfe Tones (who came third in their group) or Simonstown who've cruised through their group and who knocked Dunboyne out last season?
Like it or not, we had a much bigger injury list than Dunboyne's yesterday, as well as having players just back from injury. And we really should have won by a lot more than 5 points.

And by the way, the above is no slight on Tones. I've no doubt that they will be extremely tough to beat.

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 11/09/2017 08:42:23    2044791

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Replying To Richieq:  "A meaningless game?? And you say Ratoath Royal is desperate!!! Catch yourself on, Ratoath have a significant injury list and the fact that Dunboyne couldn't get a win today is more down to their inabilities than anything else, just accept the reality that what you never thought would happen had happened, Ratoath have beaten Dunboyne in the Senior Championship."
I take it you had a few Sherries and got caught up in the excitement Richie as you're usually fairly rational, what was the importance yesterday with both teams through and the knockout's around the corner? Not sure how you can have it down as anything other than shadow boxing, given both teams have ambitions of winning it and would likely need to cross paths to do so.

Who said Ratoath would never beat Dunboyne? The only negativity around facing Dunboyne I've seen was from Ratoath folk.

And what is this substantial injury list now that is exclusive to Ratoath? I only see it mentioned here with every Ratoath post, as mentioned it was Dunboyne with bigger losses yesterday, I would never use that as an excuse, the flip side is you hope they get back for bigger games to come and if not and the team falls short that's football.

dunboynelad (Meath) - Posts: 227 - 11/09/2017 08:57:26    2044792

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Replying To Richieq:  "A meaningless game?? And you say Ratoath Royal is desperate!!! Catch yourself on, Ratoath have a significant injury list and the fact that Dunboyne couldn't get a win today is more down to their inabilities than anything else, just accept the reality that what you never thought would happen had happened, Ratoath have beaten Dunboyne in the Senior Championship."
And as for Dunboynes inabilities, I'll take that with a pinch of salt as given the fact your club has been senior one year, the only time you could possibly have seen Dunboyne before yesterday if you were at either would have been the 12 point beating last year. In which case your knowledge would be limited going off yesterday alone (if you were at either).

dunboynelad (Meath) - Posts: 227 - 11/09/2017 09:07:06    2044797

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Yesterday's fixture was actually quite irrelevant for the knockout stages as should Dunboyne and ratoath win their QFs they will meet again in the semi final, which I fully expect them too. As a neutral I'm quite curious as to what players are on ratoaths 'injury list' apart from Cian O Brien? As in fairness to dunboyne Ronan Jones and Donal Lenihan were fairly big losses yesterday

TakeYourPoints6 (Meath) - Posts: 230 - 11/09/2017 10:25:12    2044827

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Yesterday's fixture was actually quite irrelevant for the knockout stages as should Dunboyne and ratoath win their QFs they will meet again in the semi final, which I fully expect them too. As a neutral I'm quite curious as to what players are on ratoaths 'injury list' apart from Cian O Brien? As in fairness to dunboyne Ronan Jones and Donal Lenihan were fairly big losses yesterday

TakeYourPoints6 (Meath) - Posts: 230 - 11/09/2017 10:25:46    2044829

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Replying To Ratoath Royal:  "I'm not sure who you're trying to convince by saying it was a meaningless game. Who would Dunboyne rather play in the quarters: Wolfe Tones (who came third in their group) or Simonstown who've cruised through their group and who knocked Dunboyne out last season?
Like it or not, we had a much bigger injury list than Dunboyne's yesterday, as well as having players just back from injury. And we really should have won by a lot more than 5 points.

And by the way, the above is no slight on Tones. I've no doubt that they will be extremely tough to beat."
Yes, Simonstown was the supposed prize for winning the group last year, when no one gave them a hope after they had shown nothing in the groups and somehow scraped through. The talk as with most years was avoiding NOM in the quarters. Dunboyne came in flying as you should know and were then caught cold, 8 points to 1 down before the realisation kicked in that the business end had begun. I've seen Dunboyne in the Keegan knockout's enough to know games like yesterday have no bearing in the grand scheme of things, its simply about getting there and then performing on the day. If you want to win the thing you'll need to beat the best teams, it's as simple as that.

dunboynelad (Meath) - Posts: 227 - 11/09/2017 10:43:45    2044838

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Replying To TakeYourPoints6:  "Yesterday's fixture was actually quite irrelevant for the knockout stages as should Dunboyne and ratoath win their QFs they will meet again in the semi final, which I fully expect them too. As a neutral I'm quite curious as to what players are on ratoaths 'injury list' apart from Cian O Brien? As in fairness to dunboyne Ronan Jones and Donal Lenihan were fairly big losses yesterday"
Ratoath were missing 5-6 players yesterday, Cian O Brien, Dara Kelly, Emmet Boyle, Ciaran O Feraghaigh, Tom Fadden and Conall Ahearn all of whom have started or come on in nearly every championship game this year barring O' Brien who has been out since the St. Pats game. Talking about injured players is nonsense anyway as the best 15 players you have are the ones that take the field, everything else is irrelevant. If Jones and Lenihan pick up knocks between now and the quarter final again it won't help dunboyne beat simonstown, likewise with Ratoath against the Tones, its all about whos fit on the day. Look yesterday was a dead rubber in terms of both teams being through but don't for a second think that either team didn't go hell for leather to win. The fact is Ratoath were the better team on the day, much the same as Dunboyne were the better team on the day last year. Realistically though it means nothing as if you want to win the Keegan the football is only starting now, form prior to this means nothing!!

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 11/09/2017 10:59:15    2044846

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Replying To ratlag:  "Ratoath were missing 5-6 players yesterday, Cian O Brien, Dara Kelly, Emmet Boyle, Ciaran O Feraghaigh, Tom Fadden and Conall Ahearn all of whom have started or come on in nearly every championship game this year barring O' Brien who has been out since the St. Pats game. Talking about injured players is nonsense anyway as the best 15 players you have are the ones that take the field, everything else is irrelevant. If Jones and Lenihan pick up knocks between now and the quarter final again it won't help dunboyne beat simonstown, likewise with Ratoath against the Tones, its all about whos fit on the day. Look yesterday was a dead rubber in terms of both teams being through but don't for a second think that either team didn't go hell for leather to win. The fact is Ratoath were the better team on the day, much the same as Dunboyne were the better team on the day last year. Realistically though it means nothing as if you want to win the Keegan the football is only starting now, form prior to this means nothing!!"
Last years game wasn't a dead rubber though so completely different. The rest I'd agree with. I could also name 5-6 on Dunboynes side but it is pointless, which is pretty much exactly what I've been saying. I wouldn't have mentioned the two main ones at all, only for it being rich talking about injuries all week which should see Dunboyne win supposedly, and then continuing to do so straight after the game despite ignoring the fact Dunboyne were missing their two best players.

dunboynelad (Meath) - Posts: 227 - 11/09/2017 11:20:58    2044862

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Replying To ratlag:  "Ratoath were missing 5-6 players yesterday, Cian O Brien, Dara Kelly, Emmet Boyle, Ciaran O Feraghaigh, Tom Fadden and Conall Ahearn all of whom have started or come on in nearly every championship game this year barring O' Brien who has been out since the St. Pats game. Talking about injured players is nonsense anyway as the best 15 players you have are the ones that take the field, everything else is irrelevant. If Jones and Lenihan pick up knocks between now and the quarter final again it won't help dunboyne beat simonstown, likewise with Ratoath against the Tones, its all about whos fit on the day. Look yesterday was a dead rubber in terms of both teams being through but don't for a second think that either team didn't go hell for leather to win. The fact is Ratoath were the better team on the day, much the same as Dunboyne were the better team on the day last year. Realistically though it means nothing as if you want to win the Keegan the football is only starting now, form prior to this means nothing!!"
And I would very much doubt it that Gavin McGowan would have played yesterday had we not been missing our first choice midfield and 2 of our 3 half backs. Looking at him coming off, I'd be surprised to see him for the quarter final.
dunboynelad, it's obvious that yesterday's defeat hurt. It was not a dead rubber so there's no point in trying to intimate that it was. It's different than, say, Summerhill playing a weakened team because they had won the group regardless. Dunboyne had a good chunk of their best players yesterday and hardly any of them performed. That's a worry because it's very difficult to just turn it back on for the following game.
The reason I mentioned the injury list was because I had expected that, with the various players both sides were missing and given we struggled for long periods in the last game, Dunboyne would have had too much for us. I would have thought the same had both teams been at full strength which is why I was so surprised at Dunboyne's lethargy yesterday

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 11/09/2017 11:45:19    2044877

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Replying To ratlag:  "Ratoath were missing 5-6 players yesterday, Cian O Brien, Dara Kelly, Emmet Boyle, Ciaran O Feraghaigh, Tom Fadden and Conall Ahearn all of whom have started or come on in nearly every championship game this year barring O' Brien who has been out since the St. Pats game. Talking about injured players is nonsense anyway as the best 15 players you have are the ones that take the field, everything else is irrelevant. If Jones and Lenihan pick up knocks between now and the quarter final again it won't help dunboyne beat simonstown, likewise with Ratoath against the Tones, its all about whos fit on the day. Look yesterday was a dead rubber in terms of both teams being through but don't for a second think that either team didn't go hell for leather to win. The fact is Ratoath were the better team on the day, much the same as Dunboyne were the better team on the day last year. Realistically though it means nothing as if you want to win the Keegan the football is only starting now, form prior to this means nothing!!"
ahh now Tom Fadden and Connell Aherne are minors. O'Brien and Kelly are big losses fair enough but Lenihan has been the best club forward in Meath over the last 3 years. Him and Jones are huge losses

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1458 - 11/09/2017 11:51:31    2044880

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "ahh now Tom Fadden and Connell Aherne are minors. O'Brien and Kelly are big losses fair enough but Lenihan has been the best club forward in Meath over the last 3 years. Him and Jones are huge losses"
Both Minors yes, but both county minors and both good players who have as i said started or played in most games this year. As I said though injuries is just another excuse, bottom line is that on the day, Ratoath were the better team. IF they meet again in the semi finals it will be a different day with different line-ups and we will see if the result changes. On a side note, I thought it was a good game of football and refereed quite well, the game was allowed to flow, hits going in and no silly whistle blowing for every little thing, made for a good spectacle.

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 11/09/2017 12:12:46    2044893

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Replying To dunboynelad:  "And as for Dunboynes inabilities, I'll take that with a pinch of salt as given the fact your club has been senior one year, the only time you could possibly have seen Dunboyne before yesterday if you were at either would have been the 12 point beating last year. In which case your knowledge would be limited going off yesterday alone (if you were at either)."
I've seen Dunboyne play numerous times over the years, I don't restrict myself to attending the games of just one club

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 11/09/2017 13:08:50    2044912

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Yawn ... Ratoath lads getting ahead of themselves again ... championship starts now!

Count (Meath) - Posts: 93 - 11/09/2017 20:14:21    2045054

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Jones gone to America but my understanding is that he will be flown home for every remaining game. As far as I know will also miss the 2018 season with Meath...

Meathmaster (Meath) - Posts: 251 - 11/09/2017 23:46:31    2045109

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Yawn ... Count imagining things again ... championship starts now!

Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 12/09/2017 08:01:33    2045121

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Replying To Meathmaster:  "Jones gone to America but my understanding is that he will be flown home for every remaining game. As far as I know will also miss the 2018 season with Meath..."
Surely he wont be flown home????? Crazy stuff

TakeYourPoints6 (Meath) - Posts: 230 - 12/09/2017 10:50:00    2045161

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Replying To TakeYourPoints6:  "Surely he wont be flown home????? Crazy stuff"
That's just what I heard, could be wrong however!

Meathmaster (Meath) - Posts: 251 - 12/09/2017 11:43:58    2045193

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Replying To TakeYourPoints6:  "Surely he wont be flown home????? Crazy stuff"
Be crazy not to fly him home

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1467 - 12/09/2017 11:44:51    2045194

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