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I wouldnt see wins of Louth and Sligo as being a good season. Louth are the worst Ive seen them in a long time this year. They managed to get promoted on the back of a few wins in the early stages of the League when they were fitter than alot of teams. But as other caught up they dropped off. Sligo were struggling with injuries right through the year. Niall Murphy wasnt right playing against us. Cian Brehany is a quality player when fit missed the championship for them and David Kelly was no where fit when he came off the bench. Through in the performance against Kildare, which was the worst I've seen in a long time, and there has been no progress. To me we've actually dropped back. The wins we had in the League, Derry, the Slaughtneil lads were missing, Fermanagh, were missing a few, Clare, there attentions had already focus to the championship as they were stuck in mid table regardless. Galway would be the only win Id take but thats one win through the course of the season. As previous people have mentioned, not using the bench on Saturday potentially cost us the game. Eammon O Brian was ridiculaed here for not using it correctly 6/7 years ago. If Andy didnt have confidence in the last then why did he have then on the squad. If he only had faith in 20 then 10 lads were wasting their time and putting their life on hold. I think the management team need to take a look at their plans as to how they are going to get the team competitive again juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 12/07/2017 17:11:21 2015714 Link 2 |
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You think that the management should review their plans for the team? anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 12/07/2017 19:35:00 2015785 Link 14 |
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He is entitled to his opinion, that's what a forum is about. I am of the opinion also that there has not been much progress this year. Changing tactics after two games is quite surprising as it shows little confidence in the system he had developed. Hard to get way from a feeling that its a bit of make it up as you go along. Also, just using 2 subs on a hot day last weekend and another extremely long warm up make you kind of wonder has it been a bigger step up for Andy, Gerry than many (including myself thought would be the case. I would say that, as it's the first year of their tenure, we should give them the benefit of the doubt and we will have to because there is no way that there is any appetite in the county for a change, not that there are any suitable candidates out there anyway. So its onwards and hopefully upwards with Andy & co next year. In a way I wish it was like the old days with October league games to look forward to. oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 12/07/2017 20:18:26 2015795 Link 3 |
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Next year seems a long way away at the moment lads!! Still things can change reasonably quickly, look at Monaghan, they were down with us in Division 3 a few years back and theres a world of difference between us now. ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 12/07/2017 22:58:55 2015864 Link 0 |
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At last ! Someone on this thread calling a spade a spade and saying what the majority of meath people are saying in their shops,pubs and workplaces ! Little or no progress made this year . Anyone here calling Louth and Sligo any measurement of progress are just stirring the pot ! I was at the u 17 match last night and see a few players with real future potential . A proper coaching structure around our county team is required , as we have been left behind in that department . Picking a few guys who have given sterling service to the county is no longer where it's at . See Kildare and what hey did to us ...this was down to a proper coaching and game plan put in place by the management but carried out by proper coaches . They do not necessarily ever have to have laced a boot as they say ,but know what they are about in this sphere . The best managers surround themselves with people who know what they are doing ,and I am as surprised as anyone that Andy has shirked from this management basic . Little victorys over Pygmy opposition do not constitute progress and while a lot of posters on here are happy to trot out pious platitudes of " baby steps " etc ,it is refreshing to read a realistic post on our demise . On a positive note there are a good few new players coming thru from u age in around 3 years ,who should strengthen our options in the future . noluso (Meath) - Posts: 164 - 13/07/2017 08:45:33 2015913 Link 1 |
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"Changing tactics after two games is quite surprising as it shows little confidence in the system he had developed." On this point, dose this not show that the manager seen weakness is a system and adapted to suit players available ? A system that is been changed and adapted all the time. He will not be the first or last manager to changed or tweak a system. bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 13/07/2017 09:13:34 2015926 Link 0 |
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Who would you blame for that ?
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 13/07/2017 09:52:19 2015947 Link 0 |
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Fair point, you could look at it like that - especially as it's his first year in the job.
oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 13/07/2017 10:36:22 2015975 Link 0 |
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"See Kildare and what hey did to us ...this was down to a proper coaching and game plan put in place by the management but carried out by proper coaches" Right to a point, Cian O Neill seems to be getting the best out of these players at last. However, I would say it is more down to Kildare having better players than Meath, which has been evident in our relative minor and under 21 teams of the past 6 or 7 years. Andy does not have the same number of quality players at his disposal as Kildare do. Kildare have under achieved at senior level more than Meath have for the past few years. subzero (Meath) - Posts: 69 - 13/07/2017 10:54:44 2015984 Link 1 |
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Your to blind by your own opion roscomon beat leitrim and galway to win the title they wer beaten by 20 something points by the dubs player walked off the panel over the last year because they wer getting beaten in every game cavan got beaten in 2 championship games and are out like us my point is that they like us have not got the players no one on any of these 3 teams would get on the top teams on till that changes we will go nowhere as soon as roscomonn meet a good team they will be out and again the main point of my post is our players arent good enough and division 1 will do very little to change that kildare and donegal wont win anything any time soon and they both beat us players players players win games ontill we have a giles ollie murhpy gg fay big mac we will just have to suck it up and take our beatings not 1 player on this team would lace any of the aboves boots just a fact
matthematx (Meath) - Posts: 177 - 13/07/2017 11:25:23 2015999 Link 0 |
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Christ, punctuation lads!!!! Otherwise your posts are unreadable. Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 13/07/2017 13:10:55 2016070 Link 11 |
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Well that's just wonderful Cavan and Roscommon will win absolutely nothing after spending time and a war time effort on their underage system in the last few years ! Just out of curiosity matthematx..how will we unearth the next giles, ollie murhpy, gg ,fay ,big mac ? Do we go the underage route like Cavan and Roscommon or try and get the team playing a higher standard of football in Division 1 like Monaghan who don't have any underage success but still found a Graham Geraghty like footballer in Conor McManus who never played minor or u21s for the county but is one of the best forwards in the game by playing against the very best in the country ? We talk about Graham Geraghty and Fay who were the best full forward and full back in the game..but in Boylans training matches they played against each other every week ! That's what i mean if you want to be the best you have to play against the best ! Remember matthematx buddy i am not here insult you're opinions or anything ..its good to talk you horrible yolk :) WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 13/07/2017 14:45:59 2016119 Link 11 |
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I would not blame anyone for it, sometimes it just happens. A lot of things happened around the same time which as a county we have struggled to come to grips with. With Meath for the last number of years we simply have not produced great players, and yes I think we did not get the underage structures right which did'nt help and our club scene went backwards. We also had our share of injuries to key players like SOR. We struggled to replace Boylan and our county board left a lot to be desired. On a non football issue, I think as a county we are struggling to come to grips with the spread of greater Dublin into Meath. This weekend I know when I head over to the local supermarket I will see Dublin flags and Jerseys being sold and plenty being worn and displayed. Whilst there is nothing wrong with that I still find it strange to see and the reality is that our local club have not seen any influx of new members (and they have tried hard to encourage participation) because there is an inbred dislike of anything to do with Meath. Yes this may change over time but its over 10 years since this migration has happened and it shows no sign of changing. Its an issue but one that is not talked about enough. Does it explain our demise? well no but it has not helped. ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 15/07/2017 10:36:25 2016804 Link 0 |
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The reason your club has see no influx of members is that most of not all those blue jersey s are worn by people who have never been to a club game let alone played for a club its just jumping on the band wagon english football followers i remember being in a pub in navan while the dubs wer playing and the so called fans wer shouting dogs abuse at every player and most of them hadnt a clue who any of the dublin players wer bar brogan and cluxton .when thedubs travel down the country you see the real supporters the hard cour .i was in kilkenny at the weekend and you see plenty of jerseys and young fellas with hurlys walking around its a religion down there we didnt promote our game enough when we wer winning which is a pity great to see young people wearing there county colours
matthematx (Meath) - Posts: 177 - 15/07/2017 11:51:12 2016847 Link 0 |
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Those last few lines of your post are the most sence anyone on here has made all summer
matthematx (Meath) - Posts: 177 - 15/07/2017 11:54:01 2016848 Link 0 |
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it doesn't help. look around ashbourne you see plenty of kids running around in dublin kits(not their fault),despite the fact that they are been brought up in meath. this means these kids are actually from meath..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 15/07/2017 14:04:42 2016896 Link 2 |
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If we had the meath team of the nineties now they wouldn't beat Dublin today. They are too fit and strong while also great footballers with a huge panel. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 16/07/2017 18:30:05 2017558 Link 12 |
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I disagree. One thing dublin do is give you chances and that meath team were extremely economical with the chances they got. Mcdermott would totally dominate kickouts if they went long so there could be no variation from Claxton...he'd have to go short allowing us to push up. Meath of the late 90s wouldn't be so nieve defensively either and would know when it has to be clogged up. Plus I'd like too see Paddy Andrews brogan rock etc marked by 20 year old fay reilly et al. Intriguing stuff. One things for sure.....we wouldn't have been getting bullied anyway.
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 890 - 19/07/2017 07:08:36 2019039 Link 10 |
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I looked at the 1990 All Ireland Final between Meath and Cork last night on GAA Classics. It was like Junior B football. Fair enough there were big hits but that was only because the movement was so slow. The current Dublin team would beat the pick of the two teams by 30 + points. subzero (Meath) - Posts: 69 - 19/07/2017 12:16:59 2019209 Link 2 |
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different era though,if those meath/cork players were in this era they would benefit from modern structures etc
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 19/07/2017 13:10:12 2019234 Link 3 |