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Very disappointing. The players gave their all but, for me, they are not playing as a team. Donegal were much slicker and created at least 4 open goal chances. They could have been out of sight at half time. While they deserved the win I felt an utter sense of unfulfillment when that final whistle went - we could have brought it to extra time and I think Michael murphy's influence could have waned in the heat and extra time and i would have been optimistic of the win.

From a management point of view I think the jury is still out on Andy. Absolutely the right decision to replace Jones with Conlon and to bring Newman on in the second half though Newman didnt have the influence he had the last day. But bringing on Donacha Tobin and Eamonn Wallace? Why? They have not been playing well and I think it was just a stale same old same old approach. Andy seems to have picked a squad of about 18 or 19 for the championship and and has been shuffling them around these last few games. It didnt have the look as if he was doing anything to go and win the game tonight, he just seemed to want to maintain the defensive status quo. For the life of me I am not sure what he expected Wallace to do considering the way Donegal were set up defensively. I would have brought on Douglas and Reilly on the half forward & full forward lines and tried to creat a bit more rather than relying on Lenihan's frees. As it was, with our lack of creativity and Murphy's dominance we still only lost by a point. As others have said, we should have at least brought it to extra time.

So, no, I am not nearly as positive as others on here after that. 4 games in the championship and very little learned or improvements made game to game. Lets hope its first year blues and an improvement next year with Rooney, McGill, Conlon, Jones, Menton and Lenihan as the main players bringing us forward and lets hope that Donal, Cillian and Graham can get back to previous levels and give the league a right go. After all Donegal are a division 1 team and hope we can get that elusive promotion next spring.

oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 08/07/2017 22:36:26    2012617

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Royaldunne I hope you realised the difference between a great player (Micheal Murphy) and a good Player (Biggy) ,Not knocking the lad just think you need to admit this to yourself ! You just make yourself look foolish at times !! And by the way I hope Graham is back fighting fit for next year !!

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 08/07/2017 22:49:12    2012633

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A wholehearted performance ... but we weren't robbed. Donegal were the better team. If Michael Murphy had his shooting boots on they could have been five points ahead even before they got their goal.
They have years of experience playing the system they played tonight, they've been in Div 1 fairly consistently over the past 6-8 years and they have a greater number of top class players than we have at the moment. There are signs of improvement with three or four young players, including Conlon, showing they have what it takes at this level. Also, the head wrecking collapses that occurred regularly have been addressed. We need to play consistently in our seven league matches next year and get promoted and follow that up by competing in the last eight in the championship.
I thought a key point in the game was when we were 11-9 up a few minutes into the second half. That's when POR kicked the ball straight out to a Donegal forward who scored. They followed that up straightaway with another handy point. A bit of our momentum seemed to drain away. If we'd managed to go 12-9 or 13-9 ahead we might have held out.

RedKen (Meath) - Posts: 1 - 08/07/2017 22:52:23    2012636

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Royaldunne I hope you realised the difference between a great player (Micheal Murphy) and a good Player (Biggy) ,Not knocking the lad just think you need to admit this to yourself ! You just make yourself look foolish at times !! And by the way I hope Graham is back fighting fit for next year !!"
What are you talking about. ?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 08/07/2017 22:55:51    2012640

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Replying To royaldunne:  "What are you talking about. ?"
After the Louth game you made a comment that Graham was as good as anyone out there and so on ! Look you know what I mean and so does everyone else ! You jump on anyone who is critical of him ,this is not at criticism of him its a criticism of you ,you make not like it but there you go ?

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 08/07/2017 23:04:38    2012649

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Oldsam. I think DTobin was probably the best defender on the bench imo, had a shocker against Kildare which was his only bad game this year imo. And you would have brought a half back on as a forward? Not sure how that would have improved the team especially when he has barely played since the league. Douglas hasn't really got a chance under 2 managers now, I think that tells you all you need to know, no offence to the lad its just we have a lot of players with in and around the same ability.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 08/07/2017 23:05:48    2012650

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Replying To bert09:  "Well done to the lads for giving it everything today. Most people didn't give us a chance...

Thought we got a fair bit of luck but the officials were awful. I thought we had a clear point early on which called for Hawkeye. How could they miss the Murphy push on Menton?!

I saw the future of Meath football today and his name is Brian Conlon-- I thought after a shaky start he grew in stature and was immense.

McGill had a very good game at full back.

Thought there was some good ball going into our forwards especially in the first half but we just didn't have the ball winners inside.

Fantastic response to the Donegal goal.

We need to find a new keeper and inside target man. I think one of our stalwart forwards is past his best.

Think we have the makings of a very good team.

Again...very disappointed with the officials today."
Bert 09......Yes I said Conlon has the makings of a great midfielder when he came on last day.He provided further proof to day.Heart.strong.mobile and not afraid to tackle. McGill fearless. Will nail no 3 shirt.I like Jones as well as a midfielder.Pity he couldn't play to day.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 08/07/2017 23:11:15    2012655

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Replying To nobull456:  "
Replying To bert09:  "Well done to the lads for giving it everything today. Most people didn't give us a chance...

Thought we got a fair bit of luck but the officials were awful. I thought we had a clear point early on which called for Hawkeye. How could they miss the Murphy push on Menton?!

I saw the future of Meath football today and his name is Brian Conlon-- I thought after a shaky start he grew in stature and was immense.

McGill had a very good game at full back.

Thought there was some good ball going into our forwards especially in the first half but we just didn't have the ball winners inside.

Fantastic response to the Donegal goal.

We need to find a new keeper and inside target man. I think one of our stalwart forwards is past his best.

Think we have the makings of a very good team.

Again...very disappointed with the officials today."
Bert 09......Yes I said Conlon has the makings of a great midfielder when he came on last day.He provided further proof to day.Heart.strong.mobile and not afraid to tackle. McGill fearless. Will nail no 3 shirt.I like Jones as well as a midfielder.Pity he couldn't play to day."
So it was an entertaining game if somewhat short on quality but both teams deserve a lot of credit for producing battling performances. Whilst a draw would not have been unfair, I thought Donegal shaded it and deserved to win and lets be honest their winning point was a great way to win a match.

I would expect Donegal to go on and reach the last 8 but that is as far as I would think they would go. Their big men stood up, did not shirk responsibility and that combined with a stronger bench won them the match.

Meath improved and tried their best but their lack of options from the bench really hampered us and is best illustrated by the fact that whilst Donegal made 4 substitutions when the game was in the melting pot, we just made two all match (Wallace was a black card replacement).

It was a good call to bring in Conlon, he never stopped trying and whilst he is still a bit raw he looks like a good addition to the squad.

A lot of frees given away by Meath in the second half was down to what I thought was a bad tackling technique but maybe tiredness was setting in at that stage. Murphy got away with two blatant pushes in the back on Menton, both of which lead to Donegal points but then the ref also disallowed what looked like a good goal for Donegal so perhaps this levelled itself out in the end.

Overall, despite the improved performance tonight, this season was disappointing and it is obvious that we need to find some new blood over the next while if we are to improve.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 09/07/2017 00:17:01    2012693

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Obviously like the rest of you I am absolutely heartbroken for this young group of lads. Regardless of what has happened in previous games you can not fault the lads on their effort today they gave it absolutely everything.

Many of you say that these boys lack fight and passion, but the reality is that we don't get to see what goes on behind the scenes and the level of commitment and dedication these lads put in for the Meath jersey. They deserve credit and not criticism.

I would have no complaints about any man on the pitch today because they all gave it their all. However, it does highlight the need for Meath to be in division one.

I would have issues about the management. The Donegal backroom team made subs at key stages in the match which looked to have given them that extra spring in their step. Our lads looked tired, but this isn't because of fitness just because of the sheer effort each player put in. I would have liked to see changes come in much earlier than they did today and even in the Sligo game. Allthough, hindsight is a great thing.

We learned today that Conlon is a wonderful footballer and is a brilliant addition to the panel. I would love to see him developed and play along side Jones. I think we have the bones of a good side and have a group of players that are willing to learn, we need to get behind andy and the lads for 2018.

An Mhí abú

DunboyneRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 5 - 09/07/2017 00:33:16    2012703

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Think we are getting a great spine to team for the years ahead. McGill at 3 conlon6 menton8 Jones 9 o caoilleann 11. All big men who can move, I think we have a team to compete in 2to 3 years. We will rise again

Harnan6 (Meath) - Posts: 32 - 09/07/2017 01:33:56    2012725

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Great effort from the players. It was a test that we ultimately failed, absolutely nothing to do with the refereeing, which admittedly was poor, but it was equal for both sides. I think we lacked a little bit of fitness in the end to cover the spaces we needed to prevent the last score in particular.

I would question why there wasn't a man marking job done on Paddy McB and Murphy particularly at the end they were the main (only) treath. These margins are the difference between winning and loosing. Also why didn't we use the bench sooner?

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 09/07/2017 01:55:41    2012731

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Replying To redser123:  "Blaming the ref is nonsense, he was harsher on Donegal than Meath, that goal in the first half was never a square ball, the better team won no excuses."
eh... murphy fouled menton in the lead up to that goal.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 09/07/2017 03:11:46    2012747

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Replying To DunboyneRoyal:  "Obviously like the rest of you I am absolutely heartbroken for this young group of lads. Regardless of what has happened in previous games you can not fault the lads on their effort today they gave it absolutely everything.

Many of you say that these boys lack fight and passion, but the reality is that we don't get to see what goes on behind the scenes and the level of commitment and dedication these lads put in for the Meath jersey. They deserve credit and not criticism.

I would have no complaints about any man on the pitch today because they all gave it their all. However, it does highlight the need for Meath to be in division one.

I would have issues about the management. The Donegal backroom team made subs at key stages in the match which looked to have given them that extra spring in their step. Our lads looked tired, but this isn't because of fitness just because of the sheer effort each player put in. I would have liked to see changes come in much earlier than they did today and even in the Sligo game. Allthough, hindsight is a great thing.

We learned today that Conlon is a wonderful footballer and is a brilliant addition to the panel. I would love to see him developed and play along side Jones. I think we have the bones of a good side and have a group of players that are willing to learn, we need to get behind andy and the lads for 2018.

An Mhí abú"
Excellent post.
Despite my blind optimism, it was never going to be this year that all came good for Meath , I think we lack a bit of cuteness that comes with playing in division one, and that showed at time.
That been said what a effort by all , and it bodes well for The future
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2017 07:43:37    2012763

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Replying To redser123:  "Not enough good players on the bench is the problem"
Redder , please, there was plenty of fresh legs on the bench whom would of slotted in , it was far too obvious lads were tried - it is now a 20 man game

royalpainter (Meath) - Posts: 874 - 09/07/2017 09:48:46    2012804

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "eh... murphy fouled menton in the lead up to that goal."
You will never please those with agendas against players or particularly management, they annoyed cause year one has gone OK, the green shoots are there , are all problem resolved? Certainly not, but we heading In right direction

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2017 10:28:02    2012827

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Royaldunne I hope you realised the difference between a great player (Micheal Murphy) and a good Player (Biggy) ,Not knocking the lad just think you need to admit this to yourself ! You just make yourself look foolish at times !! And by the way I hope Graham is back fighting fit for next year !!"
Ahh I knew someone had to start the biggie bashing.
I'll tell you what I noticed , I noticed how a more experience team deal with a great player like Graham Reilly, shadowed him everywhere often with two players, we didn't do same with Murphy another great player. That was the difference, not the quality of individual.
Now q the obligotory 7 thumbs down lol :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/07/2017 10:33:27    2012831

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Replying To nobull456:  "Extra time would be fair and justified. Ref did Meath no favours. Exciting without quality. Two poor team well down the ratings. Promising for Meath i thought Mc Gill improving in no 3 shirt, {a good whole hearted tackler}..Conlon,a bit green, but has great potential. A midfielder with Jones I suggest. Menton in no 7. Donal Keoghan seems to have lost his cutting edge to some extent. Reilly scored a great point ,worked but poor in the tackle.For me can be frustrating mainly because of that. COS {a great worker}and Lenihan poor delivery to them ball fed in too high, P O Rourke not relable enough as a goalie [ 2 kickouts over the sideline, at least two straight to the opposition} Some very good free taking by Lenihan. Sideline changes made sense i thought. All in all better than i expected to day. To me Andy has done his best considering the playing pool."
I taught Conlon was close to MOM for me won vital ball at vital times ran at Dongeal, He was blatantly taken down in first half the ref bottled a the black and gave a yellow. He was one of our leaders did you not think ? He did give ball away once or twice. but for a rookie been thrown into a midfield roll against a Donegal I was really impressed. Never seen him before.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 09/07/2017 10:43:41    2012837

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "Bert 09......Yes I said Conlon has the makings of a great midfielder when he came on last day.He provided further proof to day.Heart.strong.mobile and not afraid to tackle. McGill fearless. Will nail no 3 shirt.I like Jones as well as a midfielder.Pity he couldn't play to day."
So it was an entertaining game if somewhat short on quality but both teams deserve a lot of credit for producing battling performances. Whilst a draw would not have been unfair, I thought Donegal shaded it and deserved to win and lets be honest their winning point was a great way to win a match.

I would expect Donegal to go on and reach the last 8 but that is as far as I would think they would go. Their big men stood up, did not shirk responsibility and that combined with a stronger bench won them the match.

Meath improved and tried their best but their lack of options from the bench really hampered us and is best illustrated by the fact that whilst Donegal made 4 substitutions when the game was in the melting pot, we just made two all match (Wallace was a black card replacement).

It was a good call to bring in Conlon, he never stopped trying and whilst he is still a bit raw he looks like a good addition to the squad.

A lot of frees given away by Meath in the second half was down to what I thought was a bad tackling technique but maybe tiredness was setting in at that stage. Murphy got away with two blatant pushes in the back on Menton, both of which lead to Donegal points but then the ref also disallowed what looked like a good goal for Donegal so perhaps this levelled itself out in the end.

Overall, despite the improved performance tonight, this season was disappointing and it is obvious that we need to find some new blood over the next while if we are to improve."]that goal that wa disallowed their was a clear blatant push on menton in the lead up. why did all the officials let murphy away with that all game?

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 09/07/2017 10:56:55    2012844

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Excellent post.
Despite my blind optimism, it was never going to be this year that all came good for Meath , I think we lack a bit of cuteness that comes with playing in division one, and that showed at time.
That been said what a effort by all , and it bodes well for The future
Hon the royal"
A good long break now too which will help recharge the batteries

JJ1 (Kildare) - Posts: 547 - 09/07/2017 11:00:17    2012848

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Excellent post.
Despite my blind optimism, it was never going to be this year that all came good for Meath , I think we lack a bit of cuteness that comes with playing in division one, and that showed at time.
That been said what a effort by all , and it bodes well for The future
Hon the royal"
Cuteness i agree. The ref blew up alot except for the late foul on keoghan which wasnt given we could have went down a few times and got a few frees. I thought the goal for them was a square ball but not 100% as the fecking pole was in my way in the stand. I think andy didnt want to change players as he was convinced there would be extra time and it would be better to bring them on then and he didnt want to disrupt the team as they were doing so well. I have been to a lot of games and refereeing was up their with the poorest but i was very happy with this meath team they gave 100% thats all we can ask for . No more collapses in the 2nd half. Mcgill is turning out to be a great full back and conlon played a blinder again. Need a good league now and press on .

SheridansTry (Meath) - Posts: 180 - 09/07/2017 11:00:29    2012849

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