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delighted foolsgood you think we are so good, pity paul early didnt think the same .#not one on on the aussie panel. lets us know where we are sammaguire1 (Cavan) - Posts: 279 - 20/11/2014 16:40:10 1673761 Link 0 |
Where did i say were so good? And what has the International Rules got to do with anything?, Armagh reached the All Ireland Quarter finals this year, who have they on Paul Earlys Squad. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 20/11/2014 17:52:06 1673791 Link 0 |
ponger Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 20/11/2014 18:16:00 1673802 Link 0 |
David Moran was the only Kerry player picked for the Internatioanl from Kerry and they are All Ireland Champions. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 20/11/2014 18:24:26 1673805 Link 0 |
Are you surprised David is not playing this coming year he was finding it hard to adapt to the new way of playing and was finding it difficult to get starting so I for one am not a bit surprised he is not starting with the county panel, don't be surprised if a few more follow him. mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 20/11/2014 19:03:33 1673814 Link 0 |
Foolsgold in an earlier post you mentioned hessin, o Connor , Hayes enda o Reilly to be added to the squad as forwards. So what about all the forwards from previous ulster u21 teams? Do we not persevere with those? Or do we keep choping and changing every year? We won 4 ulster 21s and lost 1 on 2010 and we still can't get a settled senior squad 5 years down the line? If our main forward players are Mackey, Dunnie, Keating, martin Reilly , Lyng where are all these u21s forwards of the past 5 years? Something is going wrong. dirtybag (Cavan) - Posts: 242 - 20/11/2014 19:25:21 1673822 Link 0 |
Do cavan people forget that you won the under 21 titles by a defensive game plan which aim is to minimise scores so a team with bad forwards can have a chance of winning shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 20/11/2014 19:46:49 1673831 Link 0 |
dirtybag FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 20/11/2014 20:01:48 1673833 Link 0 |
shaggylegend Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 20/11/2014 21:20:47 1673859 Link 0 |
Some very good points here about lads thrown in at the deep end and not having an experienced core of mature senior players. The Cavan senior team of 2010-12 was pathetic in my opinion. Emerging players like David Givney were swallowed up in the process. Michael Argue has a hell of a lot of football under his belt and believe it or not he's still under 21 next year again. As for the Australian games I think it's a nonsense and of no benefit whatever to any player or county. RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 20/11/2014 21:58:14 1673871 Link 0 |
Jealousy I don't think so ned. Just this year for example four of the team that lost to Cavan in Armagh in the under 21 championship started for Monaghan in the senior championship compared to just two from the Cavan team. At the end of the day minor and under 21 is about developing players for senior level. You have to remember that Cavan have spent year at underage level developing a defensive game plan and with under 21 football its hard to come up with a plan to counteract cavan system in a week. Especially with young lads at college. So Cavan had a massive advantage with the defensive screen being well prepared and fair play to the coaches that achieved success at underage. shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1928 - 21/11/2014 14:19:17 1673970 Link 0 |
shaggylegend StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 21/11/2014 14:41:24 1673981 Link 0 |
Agree with royalblue2 ...the senior team wasn't up to much so when the u21's came in, the cavan seniors were at an all time low - close to div4! Look back at 1996 and 1997 - good u21 team fed into a good senior team who got promoted to div 1 the season before and then won ulster sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts: 109 - 21/11/2014 15:06:23 1673996 Link 0 |
We really have to start to play a attacking strategy we have players like Dunne and eating inside who will destroy defender inside in we get the ball in to them fast. If we had of done this this year would we have got further?? Yes I think so. In my opinion I think Givney we'll be a big loss round the middle of the field and full forward. Think with him gone it IS time to bring back in Seanie... Mounty (Cavan) - Posts: 32 - 23/11/2014 13:52:44 1674315 Link 0 |
Definitely no comparison between the last few years and 95/97. We had a spine of seasoned players then - Damian O'Reilly, Bernard Morris, Stephen King, Fintan Cahill Ronan Carolan Ciaran Brady; these lads were strong and tough and could play football - 4 of them were on the Ulster panel in those years. Another point worth noting is that we had quality forwards coming in like Peter and Larry Reilly, Anthony Forde and Jason Reilly. They were genuine strikers. As pointed out by earlier posts we didn't allow our U-21s to develop a proper forward unit - they spent a lot of their time defending and carrying the ball around the middle third of the field. Michael Argue was our top scorer in 2014 - from midfield! RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 23/11/2014 17:44:48 1674372 Link 0 |
Probaly back then no teams were playing real defensive football, Tyrone in 03 started it off, and then Donegal U21's in 2010 under McGuinness and at Senior level for the next 4 years. It's the trend for Ulster teams to be defensive, Peter Donnelly came to Cavan in and set the foundation at under age and it's worked well, but need to be more expansive now. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 24/11/2014 11:22:05 1674511 Link 0 |
Foolsgold I agree. Tyrone and Armagh perfected it in the early 2000's but they had some stand out forwards as well and that made it look better maybe. Donegal in 2011 brought it to a new low but as you say it began with their U-21s in 2010. Donegal did tweak it enough in 2012 to win the All-Ireland but reverted to type afterwards. In Cavan we did need to do something urgently about our defensive play at adult level and in fairness to Peter Donnelly he sorted that out although it was at a cost. RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 24/11/2014 13:56:12 1674552 Link 0 |
Yeah Tyrone and Armagh had lethal finishers which worked well I suppose, O Neill, Canavan, McDonnell, McConville. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 24/11/2014 15:37:03 1674601 Link 0 |
Interesting to read Benny Coulters view on football at present http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=228237 FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 26/11/2014 10:55:26 1674962 Link 0 |
Don't think bent is too far out either. Very few natural ability forwards around nowadays. I'd say frank mc guigan was rarely inside the door of a gym when playing. And boy could he play! dirtybag (Cavan) - Posts: 242 - 26/11/2014 11:53:43 1674978 Link 0 |