The style will take a bit of time to change as someone else pointed out - Terry Hyland probably knows this better than anyone . Lets not forget we really should have been playing in Division 4 last year . Concession of goals was a major problem for us undoing whatever good work we managed in games . We are unrecognisable now in this department . Getting to Division 2 was the major goal for the year , and hand on heart , no one can say this was a foregone conclusion at the start of the year . We achieved this by playing to our strength - defence - to give us our best chance of promotion . Could we have done it differently with all out attack ? Who knows but this is how we've gone about it and job done - we're in Division 2 now . Lets get on with it and see what management can deliver with a fully fit panel and a few new faces next year . Enjoy the club championship !

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 18/07/2014 17:25:56    1621248

S Goldrick.... You are spot on...its the style of play that is getting peoples back up.. I was at 6 of the 7 league games in div 3 and each one was getting worse.. Compared to a few years ago the support is not too big and it is no wonder... I for one will not be going back to watch that rubbish...!!!

Sean66 (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 18/07/2014 17:54:59    1621259

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As I said previously. it's not the defeats that is worrying people . It's the style of play combined with the lack of scores.

+1

Exactly. There is no disgrace in losing to Roscommon, in fact we could easily have been playing Mayo in Breffni last weekend. It has not registered with some people that the fans are irate with the style of play. Blanket defence football has had its day, we are clinging to a failed ideology. Thats whats worrying.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 18/07/2014 17:55:32    1621260

The first step of building any team is making them hard to beat. Despite recent performances, Terry did manage this. Now he deserves the time to refine the style. Some of the stupidity being written on here is ridiculous. The man took a team who hasn't won more than one championship game a year since 2005 and got us to the quarter finals. If anything he achieved too much too soon.

Now you've people clamouring to replace a successful manager after the succession of failures we had from 2006 to 2012. The only shambles is the "support" being shown on here.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 18/07/2014 21:14:04    1621345

'If you can keep your head, when all about you are losing theirs.....!'

Cavan won promotion to Div 2 and have achieved huge success in winning several successive U-21 titles. You were missing four excellent and experienced players v Roscommon. I acknowledge that that doesn't necessarily entirely explain or excuse the performance.

However, it takes time for even the most talented under age players to develop and indeed some get lost along the way for a variety of reasons. Management also needs time too to improve or change things. What it has brought is significant degree of success combined with an improved level of discipline and buying into the team/squad ethic. Inter-county football places huge demands on players in terms of commitment, self discipline and personal development. It also places huge pressure individually and collectively when they are subject to unbalanced and undue criticism from time to time - especially in an age of social media such as this!

It's not a time for rash decisions!

drumlingael (Monaghan) - Posts: 40 - 19/07/2014 11:37:44    1621430

You need to take a look around.
Last year we ran Monaghan to a point and look at the progress they've made, the same with Meath.
Meath looked mediocre a couple of years ago and I know they're no world beaters but they look better than us.
Need to pull our socks up and get our act together, as Rory Dunne said last year when Kerry beat us "we've won nothing yet and no silverware".
Weve gone backwards and we cannot continue playing this "PUKE" football.

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 19/07/2014 13:02:16    1621457

drumlingael

Well said. It's hard to beat a level and balanced post and I think you've reminded people here about problems with discipline and commitment, things that were AWOL in Cavan football for the previous 5-6 years. I hate this puke football as much as anyone but that doesn't mean we should all lose our heads. First priority is discipline - we got that; second is commitment - we got that too; third is learning to win tight games - we won a lot of those too. Next is moving things on to a higher level; that's our No 1 priority now and it needs careful planning and thinking, not knee-jerk reactions.

RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 19/07/2014 14:06:55    1621482

Exactly Drumlingael and Royalblue . And the last thing we need to be doing is panicking about what the media are saying or what other counties are doing - the grass is always greener . We need to keep our heads' down and finish what we started .
As for silverware! What's available to us ? Sam? Anglo Celt? Division 2 title? Anyone banging the table about silverware at this stage of our development needs to go away and have a serious word with themselves .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 19/07/2014 14:29:58    1621489

Hardtimes I would be alot more worried about the performances in the three championship games this year than anything else.

It's not even about the style of football being played the team did not even have the ability to carry out what the were instructed to do or else they were that badly prepared that they did not know what the game plan was.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 848 - 19/07/2014 15:33:27    1621512

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As for silverware! What's available to us ? Sam? Anglo Celt? Division 2 title? Anyone banging the table about silverware at this stage of our development needs to go away and have a serious word with themselves .


No. The division 3 title and the McKenna cup. Nobody is talking about winning Sam. An Ulster title was a possibility or so we thought given the way we ran Monaghan so close last year.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 19/07/2014 16:02:24    1621520

A bit of a fly in the ointment with the Roscommon beaten yesterday.
Terry said they'd have a lot to say in the championship this year.
Went out tamely enough in the end.
Personally feel momentum is the most important thing in the back door.
Armaghs result against Tyrone gave them that where as Roscommons result against us didn't do them any favours at all.

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 20/07/2014 11:51:02    1621822

Dunno why you thought Ulster was a possibility ned , when the main players were injured or in America

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 21/07/2014 11:18:32    1622646

I think that some of our players leaving for the U.S. showed a lack of belief in our C/ship chances and as it turns out they were right.
It said a lot about the belief of the squad.
If the players are not buying into the plan then something is wrong and needs to be fixed.
Confidence in the team and game-plan has been shattered and the performances have proved that.
Time to either change the plan or the people behind it.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 21/07/2014 11:57:00    1622716

Don't agree with that, Killian Clarke is a student and wanted to go America last year, so it was on his mind to go, More so when he was after losing a Intermediate final, Sigerson final and All Ireland u21 Semi as well as the League final against Roscommon, wanted a break from the demads of co football. Ronan Flanagan has been on the Cavan panel since 06 and and wanted a break for once, so no harm in that. Not sure about McVeety.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 21/07/2014 12:57:38    1622833

The posts just get worse and worse. If anything, we over achieved last year. The goal for this year was promotion to Divisiton 2 and we sailed to it. The championship has been disappointing but it's not reason to tear up the entire gameplan. As for the style of football, I couldn't care if Cavan play no end of "puke football" if they are winning. We've had enough years of nothing.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 21/07/2014 17:02:26    1623197

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The posts just get worse and worse. If anything, we over achieved last year. The goal for this year was promotion to Divisiton 2 and we sailed to it. The championship has been disappointing but it's not reason to tear up the entire gameplan. As for the style of football, I couldn't care if Cavan play no end of "puke football" if they are winning. We've had enough years of nothing.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 21/07/2014 18:50:38    1623328

BreffniGuide.... If your happy with the way Cavan are playing then fair play to you keep going to watch it... U wont have any trouble getting a seat thats for sure..!!!!

Sean66 (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 21/07/2014 20:53:04    1623470

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As for the style of football, I couldn't care if Cavan play no end of "puke football" if they are winning. We've had enough years of nothing.

Eh, but the thing is, they're not winning. It is futile football.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 21/07/2014 21:45:21    1623574

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As for the style of football, I couldn't care if Cavan play no end of "puke football" if they are winning. We've had enough years of nothing.

Eh, but the thing is, they're not winning. It is futile football.

They won 7 consectutive League games, should have won the League final only for poor shooting. The championshionship preperations were damaged before it started with key players being injured, Mackey, Dunne, Geaoid McKiernan not fully fit, Killian Clarke, Ronan Flanagan in the US.

The Co board did no favours piling on club fixturs before the championship started. Armagh had no club football six weeks before the Cavan game. Look at Donegal this year compared to last year, they ran 3 round of the clubs championship during the inter - county championship last year and it badly affected them, Lacey, Gallagher among others not 100% fit last year. They are a different team this year and more fresher.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 22/07/2014 10:12:52    1623674

We've lost four game sthis year out of 8 in the League, 4 in the Mckenna Cup and 3 in the Championship. That's 11 wins and four losses. I remember plenty of years where our number of results would easily be the opposite with 4 wins and 11 losses!

The geniuses on here have short memories.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 22/07/2014 13:30:16    1623940