I believe the current managment team has asked for an important meeting with cavan county board this friday night.

gaelsutd (Cavan) - Posts: 602 - 15/07/2014 11:59:04    1619538

Things have gone stale because we peaked for the Mc Kenna cup! Playing that type of football cannot be enjoyable for players either so it is a big ask to keep that intensity going for a full season or two. Look what happened Donegal last year- burnt out and browned off.

bunnoe1 (Cavan) - Posts: 60 - 15/07/2014 12:24:13    1619562

bt the way.. what's happened to SeanOrinn ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 15/07/2014 13:31:16    1619611

Terry should be given the opportunity to get it right.
I live in Westmeath and I've seen what happened to them after Pat Flanagan was let go.
It's going to take a great manager to lift the air of gloom.

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 15/07/2014 17:43:24    1619820

i agree terry should be given the chance to change things and i think he will , this may be the wake up call needed have to say felt for him listening to the interveiw after match. i hope that over the winter months there will be a major change in our system of play

asitis (Cavan) - Posts: 233 - 15/07/2014 18:56:23    1619878

Im not in favour of chopping and changeing managers but I'm not so sure if Terry is kept on that he will change our system very much... As I said before he stated he got it wrong tatics wise last year but turned around this year and got more defencive so I wouldnt hold my breath on him changeing much... He has had 3 seasons....the first two narroly missing dropping to div 4 and this year they did get promoted but lost the league final to the only half decent team in a woefull division standard wise... We did get to our first All Ireland Q-F which was great but drawing London was a major help in that regard...and before anyone brings up the famous. Derry game they showed their Championship worth this year...beaten by Longford who got whacked by Tipperary...!! Can he change the style of play enough to get the best out of this group of players who must be totally confused at this stage with the whole set up... I just think they might benifit more from a new management team if a change of approach is to be implemented properelly...?

Sean66 (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 15/07/2014 20:16:00    1619940

lets look at this year with open eyes,
the objective for everyone was to achieve promotion, that was achieved...
it was achieved playing a particular style of football developed through the successful Under 21 teams.
focused on hard graft, never say die approach to preventing the opposition imposing their game on us.
now look at what is on the pitch at the moment.
After gaining promotion everyone called for a more expansive style of play, (now remember the cavan style has been developed over the past 4 years and for many of the player it is now a habit)to change this new style, and it is changing, will take time, it will take a whole pre-season focused on the new approach, helping the player re-create their habits, giving them the chance to develop and understand the concepts, and practice the required set of skills, to understand and the mindset to function within the concept. the best person for that is Terry.
he knows what he wants and knows how to get there.
and before anyone starts to list individual game performances as an example of his 'failures' we have to remember we are now judging him against the success which he created.
could we have won more games using the 'cavan style'?...YES
would Terry and his team have been criticized for doing so?... YES
is he looking at developing the style?... YES
and is he being criticized for the fact that during this transition phase that the team has lost games?... YES
He was asked to do a job
he is doing a great job over all
and sometime we have a bad day at the office.

notimpressed (UK) - Posts: 98 - 16/07/2014 09:09:31    1620056

(not impressed)
Bad day at the office!!!!!
We scored 2 points in one half kicking balls into a alone forward surrounded by 3 backs as highlighted on the Sunday game.
Scored 3 points in 2nd half and conceded 13, 8 of them in a 12 minutes.
Can't keep this kind of garbage football up and expect to go places.
I do agree that Terry should be given a chance to turn it around as I could see how devastated he was in his post match interview.

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 16/07/2014 11:05:43    1620104

It is pretty obvious from the way the team have played over the last five/six matches that things are not right in the camp. we have all heard of rows and things happening which should not have been let happen. The team are not playing together as a TEAM. The body language from the the sideline shows they are not pulling together as a team. The players I have spoken to are not happy at the way they are been allowed to play they can see it is not going to bring them forward. Terry has taken them so far and I don't believe he is the man to to move them on. He was there with Val before and has now three years done on his own. The players need to hear a fresh voice and a new approach and I know alot of the players are thinking that too. There ia a players meeting on Friday night and Terry also looking for meeting with county board on Friday night so we things should be a lot clearer then.

evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 265 - 16/07/2014 12:10:18    1620147

Im not in favour of chopping and changeing managers but I'm not so sure if Terry is kept on that he will change our system very much... As I said before he stated he got it wrong tatics wise last year but turned around this year and got more defencive so I wouldnt hold my breath on him changeing much... He has had 3 seasons....the first two narroly missing dropping to div 4 and this year they did get promoted but lost the league final to the only half decent team in a woefull division standard wise... We did get to our first All Ireland Q-F which was great but drawing London was a major help in that regard...and before anyone brings up the famous. Derry game they showed their Championship worth this year...beaten by Longford who got whacked by Tipperary...!! Can he change the style of play enough to get the best out of this group of players who must be totally confused at this stage with the whole set up... I just think they might benifit more from a new management team if a change of approach is to be implemented properelly...?

The above is incorrct. Last yera was Terry's first full season and his first year in charge of the team for the League. The year before Val was in charge and we narrowly avoided relegation. Terry then stablisied the team last year with some very good performances in the League and this year we achieved promotion.

I don't know what people expect to be honest given the mess he took over. We are terrible supporters in Cavan. Roscommon had a far bigger crowd there on Saturday and it was our home game. People were also giving the team flak from a few minutes into the game.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 16/07/2014 12:26:27    1620158

Good post notimpressed - agree with all that .
Terry is only two years in the job on his own . If you're counting being landed into the hot seat just before championship as a year then I'd take whatever you have to say with a pinch of salt .
We also had two inside forwards on Saturday . They were outnumbered alright but then again our midfield seemed to be outnumbered as well and our backs were outnumbered too . As far as I'm aware Roscommon only had 15 players on the field so how do you explain that ? Could it possibly be that man for man , on the day , Roscommon were a far superior team . We were never going to win that game with what we had available . I have to say that I was very impressed with Roscommon - they are big , skilful , have a hard edge to them and have guile . If they can keep it together they will be a force .
There are things wrong with us at the moment we all know but there are positives and we have to be realistic . Our next step is to consolidate our Division 2 status . 3 wins will do that . It's a big ask but very achievable . If we can do that for a year or two , bring a few more young lads through and develop our game I would be very very happy . After that who knows . But we need to be patient and dispense with this sensationalist kneejerk BS .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 16/07/2014 12:44:46    1620173

If such a thing as a football hangover is possible, then I've had one for the last 4 days. I couldn't stomach an U12 league match at the minute, never mind a county senior fixture. Last Saturdays fare was definitely the sporting equivalent of a bad pint in the Imperial.
But I suppose like all hangovers, this too will pass and we will be back with a thirst for decent football when the club scene warms up in a couple of weeks.

On the Terry issue, I think his biggest achievement with the seniors has been to make us believe that big things are possible with the current crop of players. It now looks like this may also prove to be his downfall.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 16/07/2014 15:36:09    1620284

Think it would be very foolish to let terry go...he knows his football and id say he knows the system needs some tweaking...but its not far off...defensively brilliant...lots of work on fitness needs to be done to get players driving forward...something we lacked this year and was shown up...i dont believe in any outside managers:..they would have no passion for cavan football and money signs is their main priorty...terry is a keeper.!

.tribute (Cavan) - Posts: 360 - 17/07/2014 20:03:39    1620845

No offences tribute but it needs fair bit more than a bit of tweaking. it needs a complete overhaul. A new manager with new selectors and new ideas is required. its like Monaghan with the Banty, he took them as far as he could and done well with them ,he set the ground work in place, but couldn't bring them the Ulster title, but with the new manager in place(O Rourke) at a time I taught Monaghan was actually going to go on the decline he freshened things up. I think that's what Cavan football needs at the minute, a lot of supporters and players has lost confidents with the current set up, so my opinion would be to change the set up rather than risking it for another year.

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 308 - 17/07/2014 21:18:08    1620881

Goonie,

That's a good comparison to be fair, and a valid one I think. Monaghan were on a downward spiral once Banty left, but what he left behind was a core group of players who stuck together, and what their new manager has done for them is nothing short of inspirational. Back to back Ulster finals, current Ulster champions, division 3, then division 2 champions, now playing division 1 football.

What would it take for Cavan to replicate that?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 17/07/2014 21:37:15    1620888

Looks like nothing constructive ????

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 18/07/2014 09:00:06    1620908

This is madness. How can people compare us to Monaghan? Monaghan were pushing Keery in All Ireland semis a few years back when we couldn't win a game. If anything, Monaghsn pushed hard for years to get their first Ulster in years and we need to realise Cavan will need to do the same. Success just doesn't happen overnight people.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 474 - 18/07/2014 13:06:54    1621096

breffni guide

most intellagent post ive seen on here this past week here here for common sence

asitis (Cavan) - Posts: 233 - 18/07/2014 13:25:01    1621111

Madness is not the word BreffniGuide . I have a headache reading some of the stuff posted on here . It'd make you wonder about people .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 18/07/2014 14:11:05    1621148

As I said previously. it's not the defeats that is worrying people . It's the style of play combined with the lack of scores.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 18/07/2014 15:23:13    1621194