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Am I the only one who thinks that the championship has been excellent this year with lots of brilliant games? Tyrone gave the Dubs a good run a few weeks ago and could well do in the final!

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 14/08/2018 13:22:04    2133178

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Replying To MayoDan:  "I admire Tyrone for their confidence and swagger, mainly because it's not based on anything. I don't think I've ever seen a worse shooting performance than the 2016 quarter final against Mayo. Majority of those Tyrone forwards will be playing against Dublin and the goalkeeper is still coming up for frees. Are they any better now?"
Tyrone forwards at least as good as ours that have pushed Dublin close. Tyrone need to show intsnesitt and push up at the right time to have a chance.

Dublin though have experienced match winners all
Over the field. Connolly was the difference last year when introduced...will he be missed this year? Time will tell if the game is on the melting pot in the final 10 mins.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 14/08/2018 13:52:01    2133194

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Tyrone forwards at least as good as ours that have pushed Dublin close. Tyrone need to show intsnesitt and push up at the right time to have a chance.

Dublin though have experienced match winners all
Over the field. Connolly was the difference last year when introduced...will he be missed this year? Time will tell if the game is on the melting pot in the final 10 mins."
Your forwards are poor.The reason you pushed Dublin close was that you have good backs & midfielders.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 14/08/2018 14:25:56    2133217

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Replying To Condorman:  "Your forwards are poor.The reason you pushed Dublin close was that you have good backs & midfielders."
So is the Dublin defence poor? Seeing as tere was only a point separating the teams.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 14/08/2018 14:53:05    2133232

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Well the match I was at on May 13th had Mayo back en masse at times with Damp Comer double and treble marked on occasion. I know I am citing a specific example. If one watched that match on TV (am not saying you did and were not at it) they may not get the spatial awareness as opposed to being actually at it. Look too many are feeding into the Brolly hype who witch hunts a team when it suits. When Galway actually went full press for 60 mins in Newbridge Brolly was conveniently not on the RTE panel that day. No where to be seen. I just think all is being laid bare at the door of one county this season like it was for Donegal in McGuinness's first year but the ills of football much broader and varied than that."
Thats a fair point and no i wasnt at it but i understand your point. As a Galway supporter who goes to the games, do you enjoy watching them? Im just curios because watching Clare in 15 and 16 was hard work.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 14/08/2018 14:59:42    2133234

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Replying To Brolly:  "Am I the only one who thinks that the championship has been excellent this year with lots of brilliant games? Tyrone gave the Dubs a good run a few weeks ago and could well do in the final!"
yes you are the only one

mayomanic (Mayo) - Posts: 85 - 14/08/2018 15:51:21    2133263

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Replying To Dec82:  "Thats a fair point and no i wasnt at it but i understand your point. As a Galway supporter who goes to the games, do you enjoy watching them? Im just curios because watching Clare in 15 and 16 was hard work."
I have said it before. Joe Brolly backs a winner. He always has.

The abuse we get off him up until he thinks we might start to win something and then his approach softens.

It has been the same for Mayo, Donegal and now Galway. Believe you me, if we lose the final then he will be the first to tear is apart and if we win he will have jumped on our bandwagon again.

Its cringeworthy listening to him talk about Mayo and how they are perennial losers and then when he is sat beside Lee Keegan on the Sunday game call them a great team.

He has more sides than a rubic cube and everybody just needs to take him with a pinch of salt cause he is definitely no prophet. He is just a fickle attention seeker.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 14/08/2018 16:15:00    2133268

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Replying To Brolly:  "Am I the only one who thinks that the championship has been excellent this year with lots of brilliant games? Tyrone gave the Dubs a good run a few weeks ago and could well do in the final!"
I couldn't agree more.

You are the only one.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 14/08/2018 16:19:56    2133271

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Replying To cacsmckilly:  "Cant argue that you were in finals on merit, anytime a team met Mayo in a quarter or semi there was a high chance of getting blown away. The final however was always a different matter entirely and that's more or less what im referring to, Mayos inability to win a final...… A deep psychological imbalance causing you to loose when you should have won. Don't tell me Dublin were better, Mayo were as good but couldn't seal the deal when it mattered....again and again.... why would we all want to see a repeat of that...…..all is not forgiven. Was great entertainment but cringe worthy the inability win finals.

Tyrone are not Mayo when it comes to finals....no fear here just confidence and swagger that's why we are disliked, that's why Dublin are disliked....and who dislikes us..... the losers.

Bit tired of this whole lost 2 games but reached the all Ireland final....perhaps that's got to do with the format of the new championship, e.g super 8's which mayo were not in by the way, was a group format where the top two go through, I believe Tyrone were in that top two, job done."
Not sure what the confidence and swagger is based on. Tyrone had one golden generation in roughly 130 years and in fairness that generation made hay. The only other two finals you reached outside those years, you lost. In order to win or lose finals you first have to reach them. It remains to be seen if this generation can emulate the last one. If you can beat the Dubs in the final it will mean you can back up that swagger but three All Irelands in your history will hardly frighten the Dubs. I wouldn't take much notice of the psychological imbalance thingy, the only imbalance I noticed was when things were in the melting pot in finals the Dubs could afford to bring on the likes of Connolly, McManaman and Costello and we could bring on... well not Connolly, McManaman etc. I wish you luck in the final. I have the feeling you will need lots of it as misplaced confidence will only get you so far!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 14/08/2018 16:44:24    2133284

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "I'm not sure why Mayo should carry the can for Dublins plethora of All Irelands. It's not as if we bought up all the raffle tickets to prevent other counties reaching the final. We were there on merit because we beat everyone else when it mattered. Some counties posters seem to have the perception that if they were allowed to meet the Dubs they would show Mayo how it should be done. A kind of hold me back and let me at em approach. Well be careful what you wish for. Tyrone had their chance last year with their revolutionary "zonal marking" a "game management" approach guaranteed to confuse the Dubs. It took Dublin about three minutes to work that one out. This year Tyrone were in the privileged position of playing Dublin at home and even though they helpfully reduced the pitch size to chicken coop proportions they still couldn't stop Jimbo counting. Galway were the great white hope this year with their water tight defence and they managed to hold the Dubs to just the 1- 24! When will it dawn on some posters that Mayo were an exceptional team but that Dublin were that bit better. We had fifteen players who were as good as we ever had it's just that Dublin had twenty. Apart from Diarmuid O Connor last year we rarely had a substitute who raised our performance levels when he came on, the Dubs had four or five. I don't believe that Dublin have been at their best this year having lost some players who are going to be difficult to replace and with one or two players who are not quite at their best. However, ominously for everyone else, they are evolving and their hunger to win shows no sign of abating. I'm happy that you consider yourself a winner having already gotten to a final, indeed you should be pleased that you have made history by becoming the first team to reach the final having already lost two games. Only problem is the Dubs won't consider themselves winners until they actually win."
its interesting/scary to note Dublin's average age at the beginning of the 3 in a row was 26.7 and now on the verge of a 4th all Ireland in a row, its 26.2

Gavin deserves great credit for continually introducing new players

Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 14/08/2018 16:49:06    2133289

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Well the match I was at on May 13th had Mayo back en masse at times with Damp Comer double and treble marked on occasion. I know I am citing a specific example. If one watched that match on TV (am not saying you did and were not at it) they may not get the spatial awareness as opposed to being actually at it. Look too many are feeding into the Brolly hype who witch hunts a team when it suits. When Galway actually went full press for 60 mins in Newbridge Brolly was conveniently not on the RTE panel that day. No where to be seen. I just think all is being laid bare at the door of one county this season like it was for Donegal in McGuinness's first year but the ills of football much broader and varied than that."
I have said it before. Joe Brolly backs a winner. He always has.

The abuse we get off him up until he thinks we might start to win something and then his approach softens.

It has been the same for Mayo, Donegal and now Galway. Believe you me, if we lose the final then he will be the first to tear is apart and if we win he will have jumped on our bandwagon again.

Its cringeworthy listening to him talk about Mayo and how they are perennial losers and then when he is sat beside Lee Keegan on the Sunday game call them a great team.

He has more sides than a rubic cube and everybody just needs to take him with a pinch of salt cause he is definitely no prophet. He is just a fickle attention seeker.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 14/08/2018 16:51:13    2133294

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Replying To Dec82:  "So is the Dublin defence poor? Seeing as tere was only a point separating the teams."
No its not.
Are you saying Mayo forwards are good?

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 14/08/2018 16:51:36    2133295

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Replying To Condorman:  "No its not.
Are you saying Mayo forwards are good?"
I dont think tere poor. 2017 final mayo forwards scored 10 points from play, Dubs scored 1 - 10 from play. Teres not much in that because each set of backs are evenly matched. Like another poster said earlier i think tere lacking a quality inside forward but i wouldn't say tere poor.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 14/08/2018 17:06:45    2133307

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Come back Mayo all is forgiven was exactly what I was thinking after watching two terrible semi finals at the weekend. 3 poor teams in Galway, Tyrone and Monaghan and Dublin being their poorest since 2010. Galway were pathetic, didn't even try to put it up to Dublin in the second half. Tyrone fell over the line against a poor Monaghan performance. And the Tyrone posters slagging Mayo off is laughable. Mayo have put it up to Dublin more than any other team in the last 8 years. All while playing watchable football. Tyrone have lost to Dublin multiple times in that period playing unwatchable football.

HurlingSnob (Dublin) - Posts: 220 - 14/08/2018 17:07:25    2133308

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Replying To Condorman:  "No its not.
Are you saying Mayo forwards are good?"
How can you consider the Dublin backs good if those Mayo forwards scored 14 points in the AI final last year?

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 14/08/2018 17:12:07    2133315

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Op you spelt mayo wrong its spelt "All-ireland quarter finals". #notsosuper8s

WaitingInTheLongGrass (Roscommon) - Posts: 165 - 14/08/2018 17:28:18    2133328

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Replying To Wally:  "I have said it before. Joe Brolly backs a winner. He always has.

The abuse we get off him up until he thinks we might start to win something and then his approach softens.

It has been the same for Mayo, Donegal and now Galway. Believe you me, if we lose the final then he will be the first to tear is apart and if we win he will have jumped on our bandwagon again.

Its cringeworthy listening to him talk about Mayo and how they are perennial losers and then when he is sat beside Lee Keegan on the Sunday game call them a great team.

He has more sides than a rubic cube and everybody just needs to take him with a pinch of salt cause he is definitely no prophet. He is just a fickle attention seeker."
Mayo didn't make it this year... lots of excuses can be thrown up, but the two best performing teams are now in the final, and isn't that what the championship is supposed to deliver on final day?

As regards Mayo and the future, who knows whether this year is a hiccup or the start of a phase of lower expectations and rebuilding. Stephen Rochford is staying on and the vast bulk of the team will still be there and are far from over the hill... mileage only matters if injuries start mounting (not denying that this year might be a sign of that).

I don't accept that Mayo didn't have the forwards to win because a winning set of forwards have to do so much more than lose their marker and kick points. Dublin undoubtedly have the best set because they combine all of the dirty work and off the ball exertions with a traditional capability to convert chances. No team wins now without tracking, pressing and turnovers, and for instance the young Kerry lads will need to develop these capabilities for them to become effective against the real contenders. Leaving 3 or 4 up permanently will get you slaughtered outside Munster. Besides Mayo have had championship top scorers and a forward who was player of the year, and nowadays scoring has to come from all quarters from goalie out. Team scores win games, no forward division can do it on its own.

Galway certainly made progress this year, but it's hard to know how capable they'll be with different systems (or even without one). Some players are definitely good enough and some of the younger lads will get stronger.. time will tell.

Looking forward to the final now. If the Dubs win easy then that'll be a first for this team. Like most, I can only see Dublin getting their place in the history books, but I'll be hoping it won't be the canter that last year's semi-final turned into. An early goal for Tyrone might be needed to head off a coronation.

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 14/08/2018 17:41:04    2133334

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Sorry Wally, I had a remark about Brolly in my original post (thus replying to yours) but got rid of it... best thing!

Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 14/08/2018 18:08:56    2133343

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Replying To yew_tree:  "The country is obsessed with us."
National media certainly are obsessed and in truth they just want ye there to knock and kick once down. Take Brolly for example and the heading of this thread comes from his views in the INDO...

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3757 - 14/08/2018 18:24:59    2133356

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Replying To The_analyser:  "National media certainly are obsessed and in truth they just want ye there to knock and kick once down. Take Brolly for example and the heading of this thread comes from his views in the INDO..."
I travel all over Ireland and a few people from other counties have recently said it's not the same without ye in it..I don't think it's any love in for Mayo but maybe because we tend to be involved in cliff hanger matches...(games we should be winning easy).Gaa are probably loosing a bit of income from the gates too.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 14/08/2018 18:43:03    2133360

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