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Replying To Belclare1:  "Disrespectful to the teams in the supsr 8. Fact is Mayo lost to Kildare and Galway this year so they are not good enough. The team that ran Dublin close the last two years were on the go for 10 years and now have burnt out. Hopefully Galway will learn from this year and build. People forget this was a debut season for Sean Andy, Sean Kelly, Barry Mc Hugh Ciaran Duggan, Kieren Molloy."
Been a quiet year for you belcare no mayo to begrudge this year. I'm sure you are getting misty eyed too! You are right at the end of the day we weren't able to overcome Kildare who were the better team on the day. I don't think we would have competed aswell it we had made the super 8 or a semi final with a few key men missing. Let's look towards the final now lots of people writing Tyrone off I'm sure that will give them no end of motivation akin to Offaly in 82. I'm sure the dub posters are confident which is understandable but doubt they or their team will take Tyrone for granted. Best of luck to both counties may the best team win!

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 14/08/2018 08:32:42    2133036

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It would appear that some people would much prefer a championship that features the same 3/4 counties at the business end year after year.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 14/08/2018 09:28:11    2133050

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Replying To cacsmckilly:  "Mayo ? Why would anyone want to watch them mess up again and again . Mayo were the reason Dublin won so many all Ireland's through there ineptitude. I hated watching them and their poor game management . One thing is for sure Tyrone will not be afraid of losing . We have already won, in that we have gone one further than last year by making the final. To loose will not be end of world .. still a satisfactory year ... Since we've only 3 all Ireland's and 5 appearances in a final to date , we are making history . Dublin have more to loose, anything less than victory will be a disaster"
I think by the way your talking you already know ye goin to get bet and good for you your happy with that

mayo_123 (Mayo) - Posts: 240 - 14/08/2018 09:32:17    2133051

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Replying To realdub:  "You're right, Mayo did become a bit of an obsession/enigma. They were the great white hope regarding removing the Dubs from their perch, and a lot of the country invested their hopes in Mayo.
But typical of this country, when ye couldn't do it, and God knows ye deserved at least one of those titles, they turn on you, slagging you off, saying you lack bottle blah blah blah.
Throw in the curse and you have good TV as they say.
I still stand by what I've always said though, ye needed a Brogan or a McManus calibre of forward."
Think you just about nailed it.

The rest took out their frustrations on seeing Dublin winning on the Mayo team..

Mayo should have beaten Dublin at least once across all those games.. they did it in 2012.. but then failed to take their opportunity before Gavin showed up.

It's remarkable that Dublin came through those games since 2013.. felt the first game in 2015 was their best chance. The Mayo come back that day had us completely rattled but when Moran tied it up Mayo seemed almost happy with the draw and their level of intensity dropped.. we were there for the taking that day and I remember leaving that day thinking that we really dodged a bullet... we got the draw but it felt like a loss.

Not sure how we got through all those games.. a fair bit of skill but also a healthy sprinkling of luck at crucial times.

Looking back.. Jaysus Mayo did deserve one against us but it wasn't meant to be.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 14/08/2018 10:05:45    2133058

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Think you just about nailed it.

The rest took out their frustrations on seeing Dublin winning on the Mayo team..

Mayo should have beaten Dublin at least once across all those games.. they did it in 2012.. but then failed to take their opportunity before Gavin showed up.

It's remarkable that Dublin came through those games since 2013.. felt the first game in 2015 was their best chance. The Mayo come back that day had us completely rattled but when Moran tied it up Mayo seemed almost happy with the draw and their level of intensity dropped.. we were there for the taking that day and I remember leaving that day thinking that we really dodged a bullet... we got the draw but it felt like a loss.

Not sure how we got through all those games.. a fair bit of skill but also a healthy sprinkling of luck at crucial times.

Looking back.. Jaysus Mayo did deserve one against us but it wasn't meant to be."
almost blew it in 2012 if you recall also...

alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 14/08/2018 10:19:14    2133064

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This Mayo love-in since Dublin cruised past Galway doesnt sit that well with me to be honest. The reality is that we missed 2 great opportunitys to beat this great Dublin team and claim Sam, 2016 in partcular.

unclegerry (Mayo) - Posts: 1222 - 14/08/2018 10:20:58    2133067

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Replying To cacsmckilly:  "Mayo ? Why would anyone want to watch them mess up again and again . Mayo were the reason Dublin won so many all Ireland's through there ineptitude. I hated watching them and their poor game management . One thing is for sure Tyrone will not be afraid of losing . We have already won, in that we have gone one further than last year by making the final. To loose will not be end of world .. still a satisfactory year ... Since we've only 3 all Ireland's and 5 appearances in a final to date , we are making history . Dublin have more to loose, anything less than victory will be a disaster"
Both teams have the same to lose . The San Maguire is the prize . Lose and you go home empty handed .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 14/08/2018 10:29:53    2133073

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Replying To brendtheredhand:  "It would appear that some people would much prefer a championship that features the same 3/4 counties at the business end year after year."
Dont think thats true, most people just want to enjoy the game and at the moment its far from enjoyable. The Mayo Dublin games were classics and the game is missing it. Just my opinion.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 14/08/2018 10:37:10    2133084

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Said in jest meant in earnest , interesting I've heard more postitives about Mayo in last couple of days than when they were actually playing, I'm reminded of the lad who's injured and every time his team loses his stock goes threw the roof , of course I'm writing prior to the final but I have to say none of the teams looking to dethrone Dublin are within an arses roar of Mayo at there best , they were monster unlucky with injuries this year and truth be told in need of a rest , the championship needs them to comeback in 2019 regardless of who's champions , championship needs quality and only a fool would argue Mayo in full flow don't have it"
Mayo are 'gone'. They are on the way down, and why wouldn't they be, when a lot of them played in the 2012 all-ireland final. The difference between Dublin & Mayo is obvious at this stage. Dublin are continually introducing new young quality players. The current Dublin team must bear minimal resemblance, personnel wise, to the 2011 winning side, or possibly even the 2013 winning side? In contrast, Mayo have not brought through enough young quality players in the last 3 seasons, and are still asking the same old soldiers Boyle, Higgins, Keegan, Moran, O'Shea's, O'Connor's to do the business. They've too many miles on the clock imo, especially Moran, Boyle & Higgins, three players who Mayo simply cannot replace, without suffering a serious falloff in standard. Mayo haven't won the Connacht title since 2015, because these old stars just couldn't keep going to the well for them.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 14/08/2018 11:14:52    2133101

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Replying To mayo_123:  "Galway are nowhere near dublin"
Either are Mayo currently.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 14/08/2018 11:19:20    2133104

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Replying To Dec82:  "Dont think thats true, most people just want to enjoy the game and at the moment its far from enjoyable. The Mayo Dublin games were classics and the game is missing it. Just my opinion."
Dublin Mayo were exceptions to the rule. Of course notable examples of really good games this season were Kildare Mayo and Kildare Galway. This criticism of us with 13 behind the ball totally exaggerated. Yes a defensive system in place but football has been like this largely for years. Not at the door of one county. We got all the blame for the Castlebar farce on May 13th. But I can assure you Mayo were as defensive as us on that particular occasion. Posters are selective.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 14/08/2018 11:30:10    2133114

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Replying To cacsmckilly:  "Mayo ? Why would anyone want to watch them mess up again and again . Mayo were the reason Dublin won so many all Ireland's through there ineptitude. I hated watching them and their poor game management . One thing is for sure Tyrone will not be afraid of losing . We have already won, in that we have gone one further than last year by making the final. To loose will not be end of world .. still a satisfactory year ... Since we've only 3 all Ireland's and 5 appearances in a final to date , we are making history . Dublin have more to loose, anything less than victory will be a disaster"
I'm not sure why Mayo should carry the can for Dublins plethora of All Irelands. It's not as if we bought up all the raffle tickets to prevent other counties reaching the final. We were there on merit because we beat everyone else when it mattered. Some counties posters seem to have the perception that if they were allowed to meet the Dubs they would show Mayo how it should be done. A kind of hold me back and let me at em approach. Well be careful what you wish for. Tyrone had their chance last year with their revolutionary "zonal marking" a "game management" approach guaranteed to confuse the Dubs. It took Dublin about three minutes to work that one out. This year Tyrone were in the privileged position of playing Dublin at home and even though they helpfully reduced the pitch size to chicken coop proportions they still couldn't stop Jimbo counting. Galway were the great white hope this year with their water tight defence and they managed to hold the Dubs to just the 1- 24! When will it dawn on some posters that Mayo were an exceptional team but that Dublin were that bit better. We had fifteen players who were as good as we ever had it's just that Dublin had twenty. Apart from Diarmuid O Connor last year we rarely had a substitute who raised our performance levels when he came on, the Dubs had four or five. I don't believe that Dublin have been at their best this year having lost some players who are going to be difficult to replace and with one or two players who are not quite at their best. However, ominously for everyone else, they are evolving and their hunger to win shows no sign of abating. I'm happy that you consider yourself a winner having already gotten to a final, indeed you should be pleased that you have made history by becoming the first team to reach the final having already lost two games. Only problem is the Dubs won't consider themselves winners until they actually win.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 14/08/2018 11:53:57    2133129

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Replying To kiloughter:  "Dublin Mayo were exceptions to the rule. Of course notable examples of really good games this season were Kildare Mayo and Kildare Galway. This criticism of us with 13 behind the ball totally exaggerated. Yes a defensive system in place but football has been like this largely for years. Not at the door of one county. We got all the blame for the Castlebar farce on May 13th. But I can assure you Mayo were as defensive as us on that particular occasion. Posters are selective."
Im not selective, I've been highly critical of ultra defensive teams over the years. Even my own county hurlers in 15 and 16, it was absolute muck to watch. I dont agree with Mayo being as defensive as Galway that day, any team has to have numbers back to counteract Galway hitting you on the break. Mayo were forced to play that way, its a system for Galway.

Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 14/08/2018 12:08:35    2133136

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Mayo are 'gone'. They are on the way down, and why wouldn't they be, when a lot of them played in the 2012 all-ireland final. The difference between Dublin & Mayo is obvious at this stage. Dublin are continually introducing new young quality players. The current Dublin team must bear minimal resemblance, personnel wise, to the 2011 winning side, or possibly even the 2013 winning side? In contrast, Mayo have not brought through enough young quality players in the last 3 seasons, and are still asking the same old soldiers Boyle, Higgins, Keegan, Moran, O'Shea's, O'Connor's to do the business. They've too many miles on the clock imo, especially Moran, Boyle & Higgins, three players who Mayo simply cannot replace, without suffering a serious falloff in standard. Mayo haven't won the Connacht title since 2015, because these old stars just couldn't keep going to the well for them."
Gone where? Galway fans have been saying this since 2014. When you say gone are you saying Mayo won't make the super 8s for 5/6 years or won't be in an all Ireland final?

I think we will continue to compete. Weather we will get back to a final soon is debatable but I believe we will be in the super 8s next year.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11232 - 14/08/2018 12:12:04    2133138

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Replying To Dec82:  "Im not selective, I've been highly critical of ultra defensive teams over the years. Even my own county hurlers in 15 and 16, it was absolute muck to watch. I dont agree with Mayo being as defensive as Galway that day, any team has to have numbers back to counteract Galway hitting you on the break. Mayo were forced to play that way, its a system for Galway."
The difference between the teams is down to shot execution, just like your hurlers, defensive set up the same, Mayo switched over to it years ago a mhac, time to stop attacking Galway while they are a bit down.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 14/08/2018 12:16:59    2133142

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Replying To cacsmckilly:  "Mayo ? Why would anyone want to watch them mess up again and again . Mayo were the reason Dublin won so many all Ireland's through there ineptitude. I hated watching them and their poor game management . One thing is for sure Tyrone will not be afraid of losing . We have already won, in that we have gone one further than last year by making the final. To loose will not be end of world .. still a satisfactory year ... Since we've only 3 all Ireland's and 5 appearances in a final to date , we are making history . Dublin have more to loose, anything less than victory will be a disaster"
Such a daft post. Mayo have been the second best team behind the greatest squad we have ever seen. Last year was hardly poor game management. Couldn't have done much more just lacking a forward or two. Let's call a spade a spade, it has been a poor year and if you were told a team would avoid Dublin and Kerry to make a final you would call it a handy enough run. I think Tyrone and their players have a great sense of self belief and arrogance, bit they are miles away from Dublin. I think they will lose by 7-10 points so if you think losing 2 games and making to a one sided final is a good year then you have no right to criticise Mayo in any shape or form.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7902 - 14/08/2018 12:20:35    2133146

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "I'm not sure why Mayo should carry the can for Dublins plethora of All Irelands. It's not as if we bought up all the raffle tickets to prevent other counties reaching the final. We were there on merit because we beat everyone else when it mattered. Some counties posters seem to have the perception that if they were allowed to meet the Dubs they would show Mayo how it should be done. A kind of hold me back and let me at em approach. Well be careful what you wish for. Tyrone had their chance last year with their revolutionary "zonal marking" a "game management" approach guaranteed to confuse the Dubs. It took Dublin about three minutes to work that one out. This year Tyrone were in the privileged position of playing Dublin at home and even though they helpfully reduced the pitch size to chicken coop proportions they still couldn't stop Jimbo counting. Galway were the great white hope this year with their water tight defence and they managed to hold the Dubs to just the 1- 24! When will it dawn on some posters that Mayo were an exceptional team but that Dublin were that bit better. We had fifteen players who were as good as we ever had it's just that Dublin had twenty. Apart from Diarmuid O Connor last year we rarely had a substitute who raised our performance levels when he came on, the Dubs had four or five. I don't believe that Dublin have been at their best this year having lost some players who are going to be difficult to replace and with one or two players who are not quite at their best. However, ominously for everyone else, they are evolving and their hunger to win shows no sign of abating. I'm happy that you consider yourself a winner having already gotten to a final, indeed you should be pleased that you have made history by becoming the first team to reach the final having already lost two games. Only problem is the Dubs won't consider themselves winners until they actually win."
Cant argue that you were in finals on merit, anytime a team met Mayo in a quarter or semi there was a high chance of getting blown away. The final however was always a different matter entirely and that's more or less what im referring to, Mayos inability to win a final...… A deep psychological imbalance causing you to loose when you should have won. Don't tell me Dublin were better, Mayo were as good but couldn't seal the deal when it mattered....again and again.... why would we all want to see a repeat of that...…..all is not forgiven. Was great entertainment but cringe worthy the inability win finals.

Tyrone are not Mayo when it comes to finals....no fear here just confidence and swagger that's why we are disliked, that's why Dublin are disliked....and who dislikes us..... the losers.

Bit tired of this whole lost 2 games but reached the all Ireland final....perhaps that's got to do with the format of the new championship, e.g super 8's which mayo were not in by the way, was a group format where the top two go through, I believe Tyrone were in that top two, job done.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 14/08/2018 12:29:26    2133150

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Replying To Dec82:  "Im not selective, I've been highly critical of ultra defensive teams over the years. Even my own county hurlers in 15 and 16, it was absolute muck to watch. I dont agree with Mayo being as defensive as Galway that day, any team has to have numbers back to counteract Galway hitting you on the break. Mayo were forced to play that way, its a system for Galway."
I agree with you. Galway dictated the terms of that match. What's more amazing is that 'parking the bus' has earned Galway three consecutive championship wins over Mayo in '16, '17 & '18. Neutral observers, who see these teams a few times a year, looked in last Saturday, and probably concluded that Galway aren't a patch on what Mayo were. That 'formline' was confirmed in '16, when Mayo easily dispatched a Tipp side that ran riot on Galway, and in '17, when Mayo dismissed a Kerry side that had easily beaten Galway. The trouble for Mayo is that 2018 didn't have 'a happy ending', and they didn't get out of Kildare alive, while Galway did, suggesting that the eagerly anticipated decline of this great Mayo side 2011-2017 is by now well afoot.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3423 - 14/08/2018 12:34:16    2133153

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Replying To cacsmckilly:  "Cant argue that you were in finals on merit, anytime a team met Mayo in a quarter or semi there was a high chance of getting blown away. The final however was always a different matter entirely and that's more or less what im referring to, Mayos inability to win a final...… A deep psychological imbalance causing you to loose when you should have won. Don't tell me Dublin were better, Mayo were as good but couldn't seal the deal when it mattered....again and again.... why would we all want to see a repeat of that...…..all is not forgiven. Was great entertainment but cringe worthy the inability win finals.

Tyrone are not Mayo when it comes to finals....no fear here just confidence and swagger that's why we are disliked, that's why Dublin are disliked....and who dislikes us..... the losers.

Bit tired of this whole lost 2 games but reached the all Ireland final....perhaps that's got to do with the format of the new championship, e.g super 8's which mayo were not in by the way, was a group format where the top two go through, I believe Tyrone were in that top two, job done."
I admire Tyrone for their confidence and swagger, mainly because it's not based on anything. I don't think I've ever seen a worse shooting performance than the 2016 quarter final against Mayo. Majority of those Tyrone forwards will be playing against Dublin and the goalkeeper is still coming up for frees. Are they any better now?

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 420 - 14/08/2018 12:50:18    2133164

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Replying To Dec82:  "Im not selective, I've been highly critical of ultra defensive teams over the years. Even my own county hurlers in 15 and 16, it was absolute muck to watch. I dont agree with Mayo being as defensive as Galway that day, any team has to have numbers back to counteract Galway hitting you on the break. Mayo were forced to play that way, its a system for Galway."
Well the match I was at on May 13th had Mayo back en masse at times with Damp Comer double and treble marked on occasion. I know I am citing a specific example. If one watched that match on TV (am not saying you did and were not at it) they may not get the spatial awareness as opposed to being actually at it. Look too many are feeding into the Brolly hype who witch hunts a team when it suits. When Galway actually went full press for 60 mins in Newbridge Brolly was conveniently not on the RTE panel that day. No where to be seen. I just think all is being laid bare at the door of one county this season like it was for Donegal in McGuinness's first year but the ills of football much broader and varied than that.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 14/08/2018 12:59:27    2133171

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