Meath Forum

Meath v Derry

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Replying To seadog54:  "Will have to be changes, but Menton is not a full back, bring him back to halfbacks. Andy Mc (unsurprisingly) sounded fairly glum in todays Indo"
Not surprising.

I'm sure Andy would have wanted a good win for his first game at home but instead ended up getting licked and licked bad

Here's hoping he can open a can of whoop ass on derry

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 07/02/2017 20:18:58    1953424

Link

Replying To seadog54:  "Will have to be changes, but Menton is not a full back, bring him back to halfbacks. Andy Mc (unsurprisingly) sounded fairly glum in todays Indo"
I think Andy realises the massive task he has in preparing a team mentally for real competion at this level..Even more difficult now,but the problem is long standing and massively important. If it is not dealt with properly we can forget about progression . On a more positive note players seem physically fitter this year,and a good manager knows that is only the start of proper preparation. As always you have to admire the players for their effort. They above everyone else fully deserve whatever it takes preparation wise and leadership wise for the extremely difficult road ahead. Im sure they can never forget the massive honour bestowed on them. by being asked to wear the jersey of a county with such a rich history.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1226 - 07/02/2017 20:40:40    1953432

Link

Lads, Sunday was just shocking. I was standing on the concrete area on the stand side beside the legends that are Terry Ferguson and Martin O'Connell, and oh what to have men like that now. We don't have players of that calibre but Andy must get more from them, and I feel he will. Jesus, we are in a shocking hole but there is only one way to go.
For Derry I'd make a few main changes. Now, Menton is wasted out the field. He was player of the tournament a few years ago in the Sigerson Cup and didn't give Michael Murphy a sniff of it playing full back. He might not like it, but if he wants to play county, number 3 it is. Donal Keogan is the nearest thing to Karl Lacey we have, he needs to play centre back. Mickey Burke, you owe us nothing but we won't win anything with you corner back. Paddy is back in goals.
We've no midfield with Rooney is Australia and Brin Conlon (I'd play him there) tied up with the U21's. Short, quick kick outs are a must or we need to bunch under a long kick out. I'd have Lowndes in midfield.
Up front, I'd have a two midget rule. That means we cannot ever have more than two small players on the pitch at any one time. Harsh I know, but that's life. It was one of the things that drove me mad under Micko, the amount of little lads on the team. You just can't do it.

49erroyal (Meath) - Posts: 65 - 07/02/2017 21:12:17    1953438

Link

I think Andy is better off having a bad start than a good start ! It's not how you start the season, it's how you finish is more important ! When Joe Schmidt took over Leinster the first few games leinster look clueless ...but it takes time and a couple of games for the manager of any team to put their stamp on it and get through to lads this is what i want ! Another thing is there is no such thing as psychological damage done by losing a game of football lord jaysus..i still never met any Mayo footballers drooling from the mouth and swallowing a bucket of tablets for losing all them all irelands ! Its a game off ball the defender is not running after anybody with a shot gun :) Look if i was a Sport Psychologist i would be telling the lads after the louth defeat that they suffered psychological damage...and i am going to fix the problem but it will cost 2000 euros ...so i put on me big white doctors coat...then i put on my balaclava ! Do you know what i mean ?

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 07/02/2017 21:16:34    1953442

Link

Hammered again,, simple discussion really

otherlad (Meath) - Posts: 137 - 07/02/2017 21:30:29    1953448

Link

Replying To 49erroyal:  "Lads, Sunday was just shocking. I was standing on the concrete area on the stand side beside the legends that are Terry Ferguson and Martin O'Connell, and oh what to have men like that now. We don't have players of that calibre but Andy must get more from them, and I feel he will. Jesus, we are in a shocking hole but there is only one way to go.
For Derry I'd make a few main changes. Now, Menton is wasted out the field. He was player of the tournament a few years ago in the Sigerson Cup and didn't give Michael Murphy a sniff of it playing full back. He might not like it, but if he wants to play county, number 3 it is. Donal Keogan is the nearest thing to Karl Lacey we have, he needs to play centre back. Mickey Burke, you owe us nothing but we won't win anything with you corner back. Paddy is back in goals.
We've no midfield with Rooney is Australia and Brin Conlon (I'd play him there) tied up with the U21's. Short, quick kick outs are a must or we need to bunch under a long kick out. I'd have Lowndes in midfield.
Up front, I'd have a two midget rule. That means we cannot ever have more than two small players on the pitch at any one time. Harsh I know, but that's life. It was one of the things that drove me mad under Micko, the amount of little lads on the team. You just can't do it."
49erroyal Yeh but those 2 lads had the advantage of long term coaching of the great Sean Boylan ,who it seemed specialised in coaching for mental toughness. Now Sean made mistakes also it has to be said,but NO team he managed lacked anything mentally I am reminded of the famous 4 games against Dublin in 91.We could and should have been beaten in at least 2 of the "drawn " matches. Mental strenght kept us there. For the 4 th match i was in the Cusack amongst quite a few Dubs.When Foley scored the goal a dub jumped and said " What do ya have to do to bate that little
f....r Boylan ? That f....r would come back from the grave to bateya" No doubt a back handed tribute to SEAN for his ability to instill mental strenght in his troops!. Given time and more players ,who knows Andy may be proven to inspire at that level ! The best of luck to him.....he has a tough job now

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1226 - 07/02/2017 21:58:36    1953460

Link

Replying To otherlad:  "Hammered again,, simple discussion really"
otherlad What to you suggest normal burial or cremation??

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1226 - 07/02/2017 22:05:21    1953461

Link

Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "I think Andy is better off having a bad start than a good start ! It's not how you start the season, it's how you finish is more important ! When Joe Schmidt took over Leinster the first few games leinster look clueless ...but it takes time and a couple of games for the manager of any team to put their stamp on it and get through to lads this is what i want ! Another thing is there is no such thing as psychological damage done by losing a game of football lord jaysus..i still never met any Mayo footballers drooling from the mouth and swallowing a bucket of tablets for losing all them all irelands ! Its a game off ball the defender is not running after anybody with a shot gun :) Look if i was a Sport Psychologist i would be telling the lads after the louth defeat that they suffered psychological damage...and i am going to fix the problem but it will cost 2000 euros ...so i put on me big white doctors coat...then i put on my balaclava ! Do you know what i mean ?"
Chelsea under Conte looked clueless at the beginning..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 07/02/2017 22:15:57    1953463

Link

Replying To ziggy32001:  "Chelsea under Conte looked clueless at the beginning.."
Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "I think Andy is better off having a bad start than a good start !
Rubbish!!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 08/02/2017 01:03:46    1953502

Link

Replying To leftnright:  "Anyone expecting Graham Reilly to play next Sunday is clueless and ignorant. The lad is playing the biggest game in his clubs history and good luck to them. I would expect him to be unavailable until after their All Ireland Final is done."
I think might play. Sure the semi final was the biggest game up until they won it. And he played the full game in a mealiness O'byrne cup game.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 08/02/2017 09:37:37    1953532

Link

Replying To browncows:  "Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "I think Andy is better off having a bad start than a good start !
Rubbish!!"
of course it rubbish without the next part " It's not how you start the season, it's how you finish is more important"

Did you not read that part pet :)

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 08/02/2017 14:12:33    1953628

Link

I see a C Honan played in goal for UCD in Sigerson today, says he's from Meath. Anybody know what club ?

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1461 - 08/02/2017 18:38:51    1953741

Link

Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "I see a C Honan played in goal for UCD in Sigerson today, says he's from Meath. Anybody know what club ?"
O Mahonys

dunboynelad (Meath) - Posts: 227 - 08/02/2017 19:23:27    1953760

Link

Replying To dunboynelad:  "O Mahonys"
God that's mad he is UCD keeper and not even first choice for his club

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1461 - 08/02/2017 20:04:14    1953782

Link

The Kildare result really was a knock, we were beaten and beaten badly so it would be great to see a reaction from us on Sunday. It's far too early to push any panic buttons (Sunday was Meath's first real competitive game under McEntee), but lose your first 2 league games and you're in trouble!

Let's wait and see, it's a long road ahead.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 08/02/2017 21:32:00    1953818

Link

Replying To Htaem:  "The Kildare result really was a knock, we were beaten and beaten badly so it would be great to see a reaction from us on Sunday. It's far too early to push any panic buttons (Sunday was Meath's first real competitive game under McEntee), but lose your first 2 league games and you're in trouble!

Let's wait and see, it's a long road ahead."
Exactly, composure is what everyone needs at this moment particularly the players.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/02/2017 09:18:42    1953884

Link

"but lose your first 2 league games and you're in trouble!"

Not necessarily. Cavan were promoted last year after losing their first 2 league games. Kildare did the same in 2012 - came to Navan in round 3 after losing their first 2 games to face Meath who had won their first 2. They scraped a 1 point win and went on to win promotion. Meath then lost their next 4 games and were relegated.

I do accept that the manner of last weeks performance suggests that such a turnaround is unlikely if we lose against Derry. But it is certainly not impossible.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 09/02/2017 11:10:14    1953917

Link

My team if everbody was match fit :

1. POR. Hannigan not far off him though.
2. D. Keoghan. Still one of the best corner backs in the country.
3. C McGill. Would persevere with him in a better back line.
4. D. Tobin. When he recovers from injury.
5. B. Menton. Our best player in 2015 in this position.
6. P. Harnan. Best performer at 6.
7. S. Curran. Good pace and can come up and score.
8. Adam Flanagan. Need a fielder in midfield.
9. C O Brien. Good engine but needs to bulk up.
10. C O Sullivan. Dangerous forward but needs to be more of a team player.
11. Biggy. Has improved his work rate this year.
12. A. Forde. Great work rate and can take on a defence.
13. B McMahon. Pace to burn and can score. Needs to bulk up a bit
14. M Newman. Needed for longer frees. Very injury prone though.
15. D Lenihan. I feel we have not seen the best of this man yet.

subzero (Meath) - Posts: 69 - 09/02/2017 11:25:43    1953924

Link

Replying To subzero:  "My team if everbody was match fit :

1. POR. Hannigan not far off him though.
2. D. Keoghan. Still one of the best corner backs in the country.
3. C McGill. Would persevere with him in a better back line.
4. D. Tobin. When he recovers from injury.
5. B. Menton. Our best player in 2015 in this position.
6. P. Harnan. Best performer at 6.
7. S. Curran. Good pace and can come up and score.
8. Adam Flanagan. Need a fielder in midfield.
9. C O Brien. Good engine but needs to bulk up.
10. C O Sullivan. Dangerous forward but needs to be more of a team player.
11. Biggy. Has improved his work rate this year.
12. A. Forde. Great work rate and can take on a defence.
13. B McMahon. Pace to burn and can score. Needs to bulk up a bit
14. M Newman. Needed for longer frees. Very injury prone though.
15. D Lenihan. I feel we have not seen the best of this man yet."
Good team!

Inside forwards could either explode or implode

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 09/02/2017 11:58:15    1953938

Link

Replying To subzero:  "My team if everbody was match fit :

1. POR. Hannigan not far off him though.
2. D. Keoghan. Still one of the best corner backs in the country.
3. C McGill. Would persevere with him in a better back line.
4. D. Tobin. When he recovers from injury.
5. B. Menton. Our best player in 2015 in this position.
6. P. Harnan. Best performer at 6.
7. S. Curran. Good pace and can come up and score.
8. Adam Flanagan. Need a fielder in midfield.
9. C O Brien. Good engine but needs to bulk up.
10. C O Sullivan. Dangerous forward but needs to be more of a team player.
11. Biggy. Has improved his work rate this year.
12. A. Forde. Great work rate and can take on a defence.
13. B McMahon. Pace to burn and can score. Needs to bulk up a bit
14. M Newman. Needed for longer frees. Very injury prone though.
15. D Lenihan. I feel we have not seen the best of this man yet."
Good sensible team, unlike some other lads who are posting teams with a good few lads not even on the panel. The one change I would like to see is make Alan Forde a half back and bring Kennelly as a half forward.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 09/02/2017 12:08:47    1953943

Link