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Can anyone understand what's go on with Meath's attack plan is ?
On Sunday time and time again we would get to the opposition 40 yard and then just pass it over and back probing with no pace at all. The best way to beat such a tight defense is normally power and pace. Everyone around me kept saying and everyone in the last few games keep saying there no pace to our attacks. But to me we are slowly trying pick our way though them without carrying the ball into contact. Also we seems to be creating space inside to allow for a ball to be kicked in. I noticed E Wallace was good at this and kicked a lot of ball in to our forward line against Fermanagh. And against Galway it was a dainty kick pass from COS to Leinhan when we got the goal that turned the game. Anyone any taught on whats going on ?
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 30/03/2017 20:22:33
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Replying To bobkarlgees: "Can anyone understand what's go on with Meath's attack plan is ?
On Sunday time and time again we would get to the opposition 40 yard and then just pass it over and back probing with no pace at all. The best way to beat such a tight defense is normally power and pace. Everyone around me kept saying and everyone in the last few games keep saying there no pace to our attacks. But to me we are slowly trying pick our way though them without carrying the ball into contact. Also we seems to be creating space inside to allow for a ball to be kicked in. I noticed E Wallace was good at this and kicked a lot of ball in to our forward line against Fermanagh. And against Galway it was a dainty kick pass from COS to Leinhan when we got the goal that turned the game. Anyone any taught on whats going on ?" Exactly.........don't understand it either. I wonder will we see any change in next match??
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 30/03/2017 21:10:04
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Replying To nobull456: "Exactly.........don't understand it either. I wonder will we see any change in next match??" What exactly is your issue with this?? We won by 18 pts. You watch any div 1 game and this happens in nearly every attack...it's called keeping the ball and being patient until the time is right to strike
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 890 - 30/03/2017 21:27:21
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Replying To edd: "the levels of delusion are strong around here. A few weeks ago we had the annual "work performance ever" "worst meath team ever" talk, Now were disappointed in not getting promotion and roll on the championship talk like we will be making a big impact. We would be spanked in division one. We were bet out the gate by kildare and lost to down who hadnt won in ages. Drew against a cork team in crisis and bet a rubbish derry and fermanagh. We had a good tight win against galway which suprised me and many others. I expect us to lose to clare as we simply cannot win away. I would say im being realistic rather than negative btw." wouldnt agree with you there. the reason kildare bet us out the gate was they were much fitter a lot earlier. theyre coming back to the pack now & by all accounts were lucky not to be beaten by clare. we're getting fitter as we go & if we were playing kildare this weekend i for 1 would be confident of the win. Div 1 is where you want to be & if we come straight back down so be it, managements attitude would be " we've gone up before we'll do it again ".
royal69er (Meath) - Posts: 96 - 30/03/2017 21:37:37
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Replying To royal69er: "wouldnt agree with you there. the reason kildare bet us out the gate was they were much fitter a lot earlier. theyre coming back to the pack now & by all accounts were lucky not to be beaten by clare. we're getting fitter as we go & if we were playing kildare this weekend i for 1 would be confident of the win. Div 1 is where you want to be & if we come straight back down so be it, managements attitude would be " we've gone up before we'll do it again "." Well said
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/03/2017 21:47:24
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I said we get 10 points I hope we get 9 but am unsure due to meath bad away record which goes back to Eamon OBrien time
numberedjerseys (USA) - Posts: 348 - 30/03/2017 21:55:17
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Replying To southmeathgael: "What exactly is your issue with this?? We won by 18 pts. You watch any div 1 game and this happens in nearly every attack...it's called keeping the ball and being patient until the time is right to strike" You are absolutely right. The modern game is about possession of the ball. Against the better teams, if you loose the ball you could spend a few minutes chasing around trying to get it back again, so you have to use it wisely when you have it. If the long ball into the forward line is on, then by all means use it. If there is space to run at a defence, then do it. But if the opposition defence is set up and organised, then there is no point kicking a long ball in like we did against down, or running into a crowded defence like cillian o Sullivan has a habit of doing. You have to be patient. Move the ball around. Stretch the oppositions defence in every direction until eventually you make space for yourself. And then strike when you have managed to create a decent opening. It's certainly not the football I grew up watching, and I have to say that it bores me silly at times. But that is the way that football has gone, and we just have to go along with it.
anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 30/03/2017 22:08:45
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Replying To southmeathgael: "What exactly is your issue with this?? We won by 18 pts. You watch any div 1 game and this happens in nearly every attack...it's called keeping the ball and being patient until the time is right to strike" Southmeathgael ......NO...I note firstly you say 18 pt win. irrelevant because opposition very poor..Don't compare against the poorer teams .So on the specific point "holding up progress of play ." I watched Dublin instead they use open spaces .I.e deliver to and forwards meet the ball in open space. Forward out in front to meet the ball. Stephen Bray style. Against Fermanagh many examples players lateral play 50 yds out whilst large open spaces nearer goal. In fairness Wallace did use a couple foot passes in. Reilly can be effective by shooting also from distance. I expect this weakness will be a work in progress in next few weeks.
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 30/03/2017 23:08:54
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Replying To anfearbeag: "You are absolutely right. The modern game is about possession of the ball. Against the better teams, if you loose the ball you could spend a few minutes chasing around trying to get it back again, so you have to use it wisely when you have it. If the long ball into the forward line is on, then by all means use it. If there is space to run at a defence, then do it. But if the opposition defence is set up and organised, then there is no point kicking a long ball in like we did against down, or running into a crowded defence like cillian o Sullivan has a habit of doing. You have to be patient. Move the ball around. Stretch the oppositions defence in every direction until eventually you make space for yourself. And then strike when you have managed to create a decent opening. It's certainly not the football I grew up watching, and I have to say that it bores me silly at times. But that is the way that football has gone, and we just have to go along with it." anfearbeag you saved me a big long post on this but I totally agree with you. Opposition teams are not going to let you walk through them whenever we go forward, and to be fair there were a number of occasions when we did manage to get a quick ball in and it resulted in a score. - McMahons goal an example. To score 3-15 against two Ulster teams for a team with no attacking plan is not bad going, because it will win you most matches regardless of the level of opponent.
royalfan4life (Meath) - Posts: 76 - 30/03/2017 23:43:38
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Replying To edd: "the levels of delusion are strong around here. A few weeks ago we had the annual "work performance ever" "worst meath team ever" talk, Now were disappointed in not getting promotion and roll on the championship talk like we will be making a big impact. We would be spanked in division one. We were bet out the gate by kildare and lost to down who hadnt won in ages. Drew against a cork team in crisis and bet a rubbish derry and fermanagh. We had a good tight win against galway which suprised me and many others. I expect us to lose to clare as we simply cannot win away. I would say im being realistic rather than negative btw."
wouldnt agree with you there. the reason kildare bet us out the gate was they were much fitter a lot earlier. theyre coming back to the pack now & by all accounts were lucky not to be beaten by clare. we're getting fitter as we go & if we were playing kildare this weekend i for 1 would be confident of the win. Div 1 is where you want to be & if we come straight back down so be it, managements attitude would be " we've gone up before we'll do it again ".[
Well that's not factually correct as we have had to play our last couple of games without our full forward line which ran riot in navan as neil Flynn dan Flynn and ben mccormack are all out injured.
See you lads in July.
11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 366 - 31/03/2017 00:23:08
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Replying To southmeathgael: "What exactly is your issue with this?? We won by 18 pts. You watch any div 1 game and this happens in nearly every attack...it's called keeping the ball and being patient until the time is right to strike" Well my original post is meant see could could anyone explain what our attack plan is rather than a problem. Although I think everyone agrees we are lacking pace and intensity at times. If you win by 18 points the attack plan must have worked. But I think Anfearbeag mentioned we seem to be stretching there defense to allow for inside ball or space to open up and then attack the space. Rather than letting the likes Biggy COS and Wallace run up blind alleys and get turned over. Thats not having a go the the lads. Interesting to see how our attack goes on Sunday. I think we will see the same again once there defense is set we will see a slow measured build up then try and stretch them a kick pass into the ff line or attack space with speed then.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 31/03/2017 09:15:27
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Replying To bobkarlgees: "Well my original post is meant see could could anyone explain what our attack plan is rather than a problem. Although I think everyone agrees we are lacking pace and intensity at times. If you win by 18 points the attack plan must have worked. But I think Anfearbeag mentioned we seem to be stretching there defense to allow for inside ball or space to open up and then attack the space. Rather than letting the likes Biggy COS and Wallace run up blind alleys and get turned over. Thats not having a go the the lads. Interesting to see how our attack goes on Sunday. I think we will see the same again once there defense is set we will see a slow measured build up then try and stretch them a kick pass into the ff line or attack space with speed then." I don't know what the attack plan was either. My main frustration (with many others close by) was those blind alleys repeatedly ,when plenty of open space inside for quick pass in was on. Wallace saw that twice. Nothing wrong with streching defence to make space,but why do that when the space is there? Tobin had a great point from distance ,as can Reilly.Why don't we see more of that? OK a wide so what? How many times did we lose possession in the alleyways,and thus set up attacks against us.,and that was against poor opposition.
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 31/03/2017 11:33:29
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I tried to post something on tiki taka style of football but i think it got lost on the moderator!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiki-taka
Andy is trying to play like this to some degree i think
Just hoofing the hail marys from way out the pitch is madness in this day and age
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 31/03/2017 15:50:56
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Replying To nobull456: "I don't know what the attack plan was either. My main frustration (with many others close by) was those blind alleys repeatedly ,when plenty of open space inside for quick pass in was on. Wallace saw that twice. Nothing wrong with streching defence to make space,but why do that when the space is there? Tobin had a great point from distance ,as can Reilly.Why don't we see more of that? OK a wide so what? How many times did we lose possession in the alleyways,and thus set up attacks against us.,and that was against poor opposition." You have to mix it nobull.....if we play them long balls everytime the opposition will snuff them out....but if ya keep the ball ya leave them more in a possition of uncertainty....that's how mcmahon got that goal....because we weren't kicking every ball in fermanagh didn't feel they had the need to put someone in front of him
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 890 - 31/03/2017 16:52:16
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Replying To southmeathgael: "You have to mix it nobull.....if we play them long balls everytime the opposition will snuff them out....but if ya keep the ball ya leave them more in a possition of uncertainty....that's how mcmahon got that goal....because we weren't kicking every ball in fermanagh didn't feel they had the need to put someone in front of him" Replyiing to southmeathgael .........I am not suggesting to just hoof it in every time. Nor am I suggesting to hold the ball every time either. If you study Dublin they fully exploit open spaces. If no open spaces don't hoof it unless within shooting distance. Forwards should not be afraid to shoot. We now have players capable of taking long range points. All varied as required ,and will take to develop.
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 31/03/2017 17:36:05
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Replying To southmeathgael: "You have to mix it nobull.....if we play them long balls everytime the opposition will snuff them out....but if ya keep the ball ya leave them more in a possition of uncertainty....that's how mcmahon got that goal....because we weren't kicking every ball in fermanagh didn't feel they had the need to put someone in front of him" Replyiing to southmeathgael .........I am not suggesting to just hoof it in every time. Nor am I suggesting to hold the ball every time either. If you study Dublin they fully exploit open spaces. If no open spaces don't hoof it unless within shooting distance. Forwards should not be afraid to shoot. We now have players capable of taking long range points. All varied as required ,and will take to develop.
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1224 - 31/03/2017 17:37:49
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Replying To edd: "the levels of delusion are strong around here. A few weeks ago we had the annual "work performance ever" "worst meath team ever" talk, Now were disappointed in not getting promotion and roll on the championship talk like we will be making a big impact. We would be spanked in division one. We were bet out the gate by kildare and lost to down who hadnt won in ages. Drew against a cork team in crisis and bet a rubbish derry and fermanagh. We had a good tight win against galway which suprised me and many others. I expect us to lose to clare as we simply cannot win away. I would say im being realistic rather than negative btw."
wouldnt agree with you there. the reason kildare bet us out the gate was they were much fitter a lot earlier. theyre coming back to the pack now & by all accounts were lucky not to be beaten by clare. we're getting fitter as we go & if we were playing kildare this weekend i for 1 would be confident of the win. Div 1 is where you want to be & if we come straight back down so be it, managements attitude would be " we've gone up before we'll do it again ".[
Well that's not factually correct as we have had to play our last couple of games without our full forward line which ran riot in navan as neil Flynn dan Flynn and ben mccormack are all out injured.
See you lads in July." Any chance of those lads running a muck against Galway at the weekend. Then maybe we might get to see ye before July..
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1458 - 31/03/2017 18:33:00
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Replying To edd: "the levels of delusion are strong around here. A few weeks ago we had the annual "work performance ever" "worst meath team ever" talk, Now were disappointed in not getting promotion and roll on the championship talk like we will be making a big impact. We would be spanked in division one. We were bet out the gate by kildare and lost to down who hadnt won in ages. Drew against a cork team in crisis and bet a rubbish derry and fermanagh. We had a good tight win against galway which suprised me and many others. I expect us to lose to clare as we simply cannot win away. I would say im being realistic rather than negative btw."
wouldnt agree with you there. the reason kildare bet us out the gate was they were much fitter a lot earlier. theyre coming back to the pack now & by all accounts were lucky not to be beaten by clare. we're getting fitter as we go & if we were playing kildare this weekend i for 1 would be confident of the win. Div 1 is where you want to be & if we come straight back down so be it, managements attitude would be " we've gone up before we'll do it again ".[
Well that's not factually correct as we have had to play our last couple of games without our full forward line which ran riot in navan as neil Flynn dan Flynn and ben mccormack are all out injured.
See you lads in July." Any chance of those lads running a muck against Galway at the weekend. Then maybe we might get to see ye before July.."
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 01/04/2017 10:48:10
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Kildare made 14 changes , that's nice of them.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 01/04/2017 10:52:59
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Replying To bobkarlgees: "Kildare made 14 changes , that's nice of them." To be fair, if we were promoted with one game to spare I'd want Andy to do the same.
Kildare have to look after Kildare. They owe nothing to any other team. We just have to do our job first pray for a miracle in Salthill.
Ratoath Royal (Meath) - Posts: 1362 - 01/04/2017 11:53:54
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