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Replying To runnerin: "We are not good enough for Division 1 end of yes we are on the same level as Derry and Westmeath who also are not good enough for Division 1.On the structures there are still no coaches sent on a structured way into the primary schools in the county(GPO system).This works as whatever excuses we use about Dublins population etc the real reason they are so good is how hard they worked on the ground over the last 15 yrs using this system getting kids to play the game.Until we at the very least use the same template we will remain at best a 2nd tier county" How would the GPO system work here though? Have of the schools in a lot of our towns have kids in Dublin jerseys.. MOD himself said last weekend that we should be beating Westmeath and Derry and suggested those results were not acceptable.He also said that is was very achievable for our squad to be in the dv1 or the last 8 of the championship.Did he get the best out of the players? I would say no.The players have to be more committed imo,but you need a strong manager to get that from day one. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/07/2016 10:01:06 1888042 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "How would the GPO system work here though? Have of the schools in a lot of our towns have kids in Dublin jerseys.. MOD himself said last weekend that we should be beating Westmeath and Derry and suggested those results were not acceptable.He also said that is was very achievable for our squad to be in the dv1 or the last 8 of the championship.Did he get the best out of the players? I would say no.The players have to be more committed imo,but you need a strong manager to get that from day one." 'half' instead of 'have' ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/07/2016 10:39:56 1888064 Link
Replying To runnerin: "The expectation that he will bring game plans tactics(plan A plan B plan C etc) leadership motivation winning mentality clarity for players s&c programmes nutrition & hydration programmes fitness programmes which in turn will fix everything.My point is the manager is always to blame never the squad he has to work with.Whether he got it right or wrong MOD tried a vast amount of players but unfortunately we lack a lot of quality at the moment.We all are looking in from outside the squad and we cant know that all of the above werent already in place with the last setup as most clubs would have similar ideas.Andy Mc or whover gets the job hasnt got a magic wand to fix all thats wrong with adult football in the county.We are still deluding ourselves if we think that our juveniles coaching stuctures are fixed and we will not progress even if Jim Gavin got the job untill this is sorted.Every house needs a solid foundation so thinking that changing the senior football manager will fix all thats wrong is madness" Do I expect that a new manager will bring "game plans tactics(plan A plan B plan C etc)" to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring leadership to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring motivation to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring a winning mentality to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring clarity for players to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring "s&c programmes nutrition & hydration programmes fitness programmes for players" to the team - Yes I do These are the very basics that any modern inter-county manager needs to bring to a side. Anyone, whether Andy McEntee or anyone else, who is not able or willing to bring all of those things to the team should not be even considered for the position. Do I think that this will fix everything? No not all, and I haven't read a single post on here which suggests that it would. Everyone realises that we don't have the players at present to win an All-Ireland, or even a Leinster title. But we have the players to be a hell of a lot better than we have been for the past 2-3 years. And that is all that people are asking for from any new manager. anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 22/07/2016 11:30:33 1888105 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "'half' instead of 'have'" Why wouldnt it work especially in the bigger towns where there's more than 1 school.Take you're own town as an example where there are 4/5 primary schools.The GPO could do a session in a different school each day which would encourage the kids to take up GAA,competing properly with other sports and also encourage them out of their Dub jerseys.This gets away from the thread though.My point is that no matter who takes over there will be no real improvement until we properly tackle the problems at grassroots. runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 22/07/2016 11:45:26 1888114 Link
Replying To anfearbeag: "Do I expect that a new manager will bring "game plans tactics(plan A plan B plan C etc)" to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring leadership to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring motivation to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring a winning mentality to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring clarity for players to the team - Yes I do Do I expect that a new manager will bring "s&c programmes nutrition & hydration programmes fitness programmes for players" to the team - Yes I do These are the very basics that any modern inter-county manager needs to bring to a side. Anyone, whether Andy McEntee or anyone else, who is not able or willing to bring all of those things to the team should not be even considered for the position. Do I think that this will fix everything? No not all, and I haven't read a single post on here which suggests that it would. Everyone realises that we don't have the players at present to win an All-Ireland, or even a Leinster title. But we have the players to be a hell of a lot better than we have been for the past 2-3 years. And that is all that people are asking for from any new manager." Do you honestly believe in this day and age rememberring Sean Kelly was involved for most of the recent management that none of the above were in place.He puts all of that and more in place wherever he coaches.Look MOD has a lot to answer for but a new manager does not guarantee anything with the current squad runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 22/07/2016 12:09:42 1888123 Link
So we are not good enough for division 1 football ,we don't have the players to compete at a higher level reason because we don't have our under-age structures in place or up to standard just yet ! Ok a few fair points So the new manger addresses the Meath team in a month say..and tell the Meath players we are not good enough for division 1 football ,we don't have the players to compete at a higher level reason we don't have our under-age structures in place or up to standard just yet..and you boys look awful and i am here waiting for something better to come along ! Who would give that chap a job ? no really ? WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 22/07/2016 13:00:35 1888152 Link
Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "So we are not good enough for division 1 football ,we don't have the players to compete at a higher level reason because we don't have our under-age structures in place or up to standard just yet ! Ok a few fair points So the new manger addresses the Meath team in a month say..and tell the Meath players we are not good enough for division 1 football ,we don't have the players to compete at a higher level reason we don't have our under-age structures in place or up to standard just yet..and you boys look awful and i am here waiting for something better to come along ! Who would give that chap a job ? no really ?" Whoever the new manager is needs to crack the whip from day one.We all know there is a certain culture there and players ahve to be 100% committed to wear the Meath jersey or not be on the panel. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/07/2016 13:23:31 1888162 Link
Replying To runnerin: "Why wouldnt it work especially in the bigger towns where there's more than 1 school.Take you're own town as an example where there are 4/5 primary schools.The GPO could do a session in a different school each day which would encourage the kids to take up GAA,competing properly with other sports and also encourage them out of their Dub jerseys.This gets away from the thread though.My point is that no matter who takes over there will be no real improvement until we properly tackle the problems at grassroots." Honestly how do you persuade a young kid(who's parents are Dublin) to wear a Meath shirt for example? Could you imagine little Johnny going home saying "Daddy I want a Meath jersey instead of a Dublin one"? ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 22/07/2016 13:27:55 1888165 Link
Someone in a recent post on this tread made a comparison about the talent between Dun/Ash and Ratoath and came to the conclusion that Ratoath were superior or something to that effect. Now Dun/Ash are senior and were in a senior final and as far as I know they were one of the few clubs (if not the only one) who won a Leinster Club minor championship within the last 10 years -maybe I need to be corrected. Now at minimum Don/Ash talent would be equal or better than their neighbours. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 22/07/2016 13:36:59 1888168 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "Honestly how do you persuade a young kid(who's parents are Dublin) to wear a Meath shirt for example? Could you imagine little Johnny going home saying "Daddy I want a Meath jersey instead of a Dublin one"?" I'm on the fence regarding the amount of Dublin jerseys you see around Meath, a lot of these people would actually be from Dublin and have moved out, so their children are by and large going to wear Dublin jerseys. But kids are notoriously fickle when it comes to supporting teams, they'll follow whoever is winning, so if we can turn the tables and become a top team again you're guaranteed to see a big increase in the number of Meath jerseys knocking about. How do we become a top team again though, that's the burning question? Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/07/2016 13:39:34 1888169 Link
"Do you honestly believe in this day and age rememberring Sean Kelly was involved for most of the recent management that none of the above were in place.He puts all of that and more in place wherever he coaches.Look MOD has a lot to answer for but a new manager does not guarantee anything with the current squad" I believe that some of it was not in place. For example, I believe that some players were demotivated to the point that they left the panel completely. Others did not have the belief that they could compete with the better teams. We also lacked any sort of a coherent defensive plan (or indeed basic game plan), something that was highlighted during MODs first year in charge, but never materialised. The evidence would also suggest that some of the others were put in place, but were not sufficient. For example, despite what anyone says, the players were not fit enough to last 70 minutes of inter-county football. You could see that in just about every game, when the players were dead on their feet after 50 minutes. I don't automatically accept that just because Sean Kelly was involved, that everything was done to the highest possible standard, or couldn't be done better Now it may well be the case that the players there do not have the physical ability to become fit enough for inter-county football. Or do not have the mental strength to compete at the business end of the championship. If that is the case, surely that asks serious questions of the managers ability to select players capable of doing a job. I certainly didn't see any sort of a coherent selection policy under the previous management. Players were tried out during the league, and some of the better performers dropped when championship came around. Other players were parachuted in to championship games without ever being given a chance to show that they were up to the task. The first job of any new manager is to put the people and systems in place around the team, to give the players a chance to reach their full potential. The next job is to select players that have the physical and mental ability to work with those people, and to develop into inter-county footballers. After that, the job of picking teams, and implementing game plans can begin. I believe that that whole process can be done a lot better than it has been for the past 4 years. It is by no means a guarantee of success - I am not that naïve. But logic would suggest that if you do things better, you will get better results. Which is all anyone really expects. anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 22/07/2016 13:43:23 1888175 Link
Replying To ziggy32001: "Honestly how do you persuade a young kid(who's parents are Dublin) to wear a Meath shirt for example? Could you imagine little Johnny going home saying "Daddy I want a Meath jersey instead of a Dublin one"?" A fair chunk of the current Dublin set up have parents who are not from the capital and grew up when the Dubs were floundering but to their credit the Dublin Co board went after primary school kids to get them to play GAA and to buy into Dublin.Thats what we need to do.We need to get the kids in the county no matter where the parents are from to buy into Meath GAA but this means massive work at grassroots in both schools and clubs.We are at least 10 yrs bemoaning out current status and will continue to do so until its addressed.Even if it is addressed in the morning it would another 10 to see real continuous benefits but lads we have to start somewhere runnerin (Meath) - Posts: 202 - 22/07/2016 13:55:50 1888189 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I'm on the fence regarding the amount of Dublin jerseys you see around Meath, a lot of these people would actually be from Dublin and have moved out, so their children are by and large going to wear Dublin jerseys. But kids are notoriously fickle when it comes to supporting teams, they'll follow whoever is winning, so if we can turn the tables and become a top team again you're guaranteed to see a big increase in the number of Meath jerseys knocking about. How do we become a top team again though, that's the burning question?" Yes we have to turn things around and make little Dublin Johnny want to wear the Meath jersey ...and the best way of doing that is winning ! But how do we knock the Dublin franchise of there perch ? Its a glamorous looking outfit to any young chap ! Young people engage in social Media Facebook ..twitter and instagram ! The Dublin players look like movie stars to any young chap out there ! Meath on the other hand looks like a cricket club from north Meath to any young Dublin Johnny or to any young Meath Charlie for that matter ! There are two worlds we live in to sell Meath to young people ..the problem is Dublin have the money no matter what we do ! Croke park has to help Meath out no matter what or in 10 years time their will be no Meath ! We need a Financial package of 3.6 million next year..the year after that 1.9 million ..then 1.3 million for 3 years ! That my friends is the only way we are ever going to compete with the Dublin monster government and Gaa created ! Anyway who likes cricket ? WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 22/07/2016 14:29:58 1888210 Link
anfearbeag-good post. I would add that of course you should always build for the future, however in football the present is always the future and I have comes across lot of teams building for the 'future'-but that 'future' never seems to arrive. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 22/07/2016 15:01:36 1888235 Link
Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "Yes we have to turn things around and make little Dublin Johnny want to wear the Meath jersey ...and the best way of doing that is winning ! But how do we knock the Dublin franchise of there perch ? Its a glamorous looking outfit to any young chap ! Young people engage in social Media Facebook ..twitter and instagram ! The Dublin players look like movie stars to any young chap out there ! Meath on the other hand looks like a cricket club from north Meath to any young Dublin Johnny or to any young Meath Charlie for that matter ! There are two worlds we live in to sell Meath to young people ..the problem is Dublin have the money no matter what we do ! Croke park has to help Meath out no matter what or in 10 years time their will be no Meath ! We need a Financial package of 3.6 million next year..the year after that 1.9 million ..then 1.3 million for 3 years ! That my friends is the only way we are ever going to compete with the Dublin monster government and Gaa created ! Anyway who likes cricket ?" The marketing side of things is undoubtedly a big challenge WhyTheLongFace, however it's a challenge all other counties face. But this Dublin team really is exceptionally good and surely their flame will eventually die out, and with that so will their marketability. All we can do in the mean time is try our best to keep improving and hopefully be ready when the time comes, sons and daughters of Dubs living in Meath won't be as quick or keen to pull on a Dublin jersey if Meath start to beat them on a regular basis again. But we must get our own house in order if we're to have any chance of improvement, to be fair our underage structures have improved but our county championships are a shambles and we haven't done a thing at inter-county level since 2010. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/07/2016 16:11:00 1888280 Link
TGIF Total shyte that Meath are out of the championship. Mid July and nothing to look forward to :0( bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 22/07/2016 18:03:25 1888322 Link
Replying To Htaem: "I'm on the fence regarding the amount of Dublin jerseys you see around Meath, a lot of these people would actually be from Dublin and have moved out, so their children are by and large going to wear Dublin jerseys. But kids are notoriously fickle when it comes to supporting teams, they'll follow whoever is winning, so if we can turn the tables and become a top team again you're guaranteed to see a big increase in the number of Meath jerseys knocking about. How do we become a top team again though, that's the burning question?" Funny thing is these kids wearing the Dublin jersey will play for Meath , and are only influenced by whoever buys them that shirt royalpainter (Meath) - Posts: 874 - 23/07/2016 07:34:38 1888414 Link
Now we are blaming the kids for wearing dublin jersey or what ever. Simple thing is we didnt invest when dublin did , grant it they have a good sponsorship deal and everything is flying for them and do you know what good luck to them . They play a decent brand of football and its good to watch. Its easy play the green eye monster and of course keep up with irish tradition to begrudge someone else instead of getting ways to get up there with them. suck it up lads we need to move on and stop blaming others dnewlad (Meath) - Posts: 137 - 23/07/2016 15:18:05 1888537 Link
Anyway back to the discussion about the next manger ! Andy Mac seem to be everybody favourite and with very good reason ,yes i would also like to see him get the hot seat,but what happens if Andy doesn't get the Job ? So who is our alternatives ? Here is a management team that could work...Tony Mcentee / Anthony Moyles joint management team Darren Fay and Donal Curtis selectors Niall Ronan Strength & Conditioning coach WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 23/07/2016 16:52:24 1888563 Link
Tipp and Clare in the last 8,don't tell we are not at least as good as those teams.. ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 23/07/2016 18:40:46 1888611 Link