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Replying To Forglory:  "Lads , what did ye expect, its two teams that dont have a hope of doing anything this year, in fact its a bit of a pointless exercise, we would have been better off been knocked out on sunday, forgetting about this year, getting a new management in place and starting for the league, all we are doing is prolonging the agony. I for one wont be travelling, sport is supossed to be enjoyable and the thoughts of going up to see two woeful teams......"
You'll be missed.

GoalsWinGames (Meath) - Posts: 303 - 29/06/2016 10:19:52    1873666

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Replying To Forglory:  "Lads , what did ye expect, its two teams that dont have a hope of doing anything this year, in fact its a bit of a pointless exercise, we would have been better off been knocked out on sunday, forgetting about this year, getting a new management in place and starting for the league, all we are doing is prolonging the agony. I for one wont be travelling, sport is supossed to be enjoyable and the thoughts of going up to see two woeful teams......"
A truthful statement. This team have been going nowhere and just as it was last year there is a serious lack of leadership both on and off the field. It is a depressing sight seeing a Meath team with no self belief. Frustrating seeing a half back kick a ball aimlessly down the wing only for the forward to be behind the back every time with no chance of winning the ball. Also being bullied over the sideline e.g Andy Tormey. The push on Biggy called for a bit of aggression and instead we got the usual surrender once we went 5 points down. The lack of noise from the stands nowadays says it all. I for one have attended my last match on Sunday.

Jimin10 (Meath) - Posts: 783 - 29/06/2016 10:51:05    1873682

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MOD said...

"We have to review what happened in the second half and why we only scored 3 points"

But this has been going on for 3 years.If he doesn't know why it happens by now and clearly cannot sort it,well sadly it won't change.We have been outscored in our last EIGHT championship games in the second half.That is the last three years.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 29/06/2016 11:07:55    1873687

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "MOD said...

"We have to review what happened in the second half and why we only scored 3 points"

But this has been going on for 3 years.If he doesn't know why it happens by now and clearly cannot sort it,well sadly it won't change.We have been outscored in our last EIGHT championship games in the second half.That is the last three years."
Losing second halves (occasionally very badly) has been one of the most noticeable, frustrating and I have to say damning things about MOD's tenure Ziggy.

I don't have the stats on hand at the minute but I'm pretty sure out of 13 championship games under MOD we've only outscored our opposition in the last 20 mins on 3 occasions. Those occasions being v Wicklow 2013, Wexford 2013 and Carlow 2014.

I'll check again this evening to make sure I'm right on that but either way it's an appalling record. For me the game was up the day we disappeared without a trace against Westmeath, since then we're just going through the motions waiting for MOD's inevitable departure (if the County Board ever release him), which is very soul destroying for fans.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 29/06/2016 11:25:56    1873702

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Replying To Htaem:  "Losing second halves (occasionally very badly) has been one of the most noticeable, frustrating and I have to say damning things about MOD's tenure Ziggy.

I don't have the stats on hand at the minute but I'm pretty sure out of 13 championship games under MOD we've only outscored our opposition in the last 20 mins on 3 occasions. Those occasions being v Wicklow 2013, Wexford 2013 and Carlow 2014.

I'll check again this evening to make sure I'm right on that but either way it's an appalling record. For me the game was up the day we disappeared without a trace against Westmeath, since then we're just going through the motions waiting for MOD's inevitable departure (if the County Board ever release him), which is very soul destroying for fans."
Htaem

I don't doubt you,his comment is as if this never happened before.If he is there next season a lot of fans will be lost,people will not go to games and I reckon a few more will leave the panel.He simply cannot be there for a 5th year.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 29/06/2016 11:34:50    1873707

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Replying To ziggy32001:  "Htaem

I don't doubt you,his comment is as if this never happened before.If he is there next season a lot of fans will be lost,people will not go to games and I reckon a few more will leave the panel.He simply cannot be there for a 5th year."
I fear you're right ziggy, if MOD stays on for another painful, empty season next year, it could well do even more damage to Meath football. Personally I can't see myself being too interested in attending league games next season, it's as frustrated as I've ever been about the Meath setup and hope is basically non existent.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 29/06/2016 12:00:42    1873735

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Replying To GoalsWinGames:  "You'll be missed."
Thanks :)

Forglory (Meath) - Posts: 85 - 29/06/2016 12:35:22    1873758

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If a list was to be made of the positives and one for the negatives for Meath football for last four years, it would make for a very one sided argument.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2149 - 29/06/2016 12:45:00    1873766

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Replying To Htaem:  "I fear you're right ziggy, if MOD stays on for another painful, empty season next year, it could well do even more damage to Meath football. Personally I can't see myself being too interested in attending league games next season, it's as frustrated as I've ever been about the Meath setup and hope is basically non existent."
Same as myself in truth..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 29/06/2016 12:52:11    1873772

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Very hard to watch that second half on sunday, time to move on and go again, team I would go with

1. POR

2. Burke
3. Keogan
4. Smyth

5.Tobin
6. Harnan
7. Douglas

8. O Brien
9. Rooney

10. Jones
11. O Sullivan
12. Reilly

13. E. Wallace
14. Newman
15. Tormey

I would Let Jones drop back and play in middle of the middle and add some athletic ability.

Given how bad mcdonagh was and the options we have are not a whole lot better I think we are best to odd another body to the middle and leave Newman and Tormey in there, Tormey looked out of sorts when dropping deep or around the middle and think his best position is full forward or half forward line, he can rotate with wallace or drop deep.

Smyth got on a lot of ball and was available so would start him again but if McEntee or Mcgill were back fit he would be first to go.

As sickened as it was watching them Dublin will do that to many teams and were 12 points up at half time vs laois. I dont think Derry would fair any better.

I think we will pick up a win and a sorely needed win for this group moving forward into next year.

Thejoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 687 - 29/06/2016 19:43:42    1873990

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Replying To Thejoeshow:  "Very hard to watch that second half on sunday, time to move on and go again, team I would go with

1. POR

2. Burke
3. Keogan
4. Smyth

5.Tobin
6. Harnan
7. Douglas

8. O Brien
9. Rooney

10. Jones
11. O Sullivan
12. Reilly

13. E. Wallace
14. Newman
15. Tormey

I would Let Jones drop back and play in middle of the middle and add some athletic ability.

Given how bad mcdonagh was and the options we have are not a whole lot better I think we are best to odd another body to the middle and leave Newman and Tormey in there, Tormey looked out of sorts when dropping deep or around the middle and think his best position is full forward or half forward line, he can rotate with wallace or drop deep.

Smyth got on a lot of ball and was available so would start him again but if McEntee or Mcgill were back fit he would be first to go.

As sickened as it was watching them Dublin will do that to many teams and were 12 points up at half time vs laois. I dont think Derry would fair any better.

I think we will pick up a win and a sorely needed win for this group moving forward into next year."
I think its crazy that Jones was thrown in the deep end last Sunday. He never played and competitive games for Meath to be thrown in against Dublin was ridiculous. Amateur hour from MOD. Jones was first sub, so MOD first thing is throw on a totally experienced player on. While Dublin where bringing Md. Macauley. I have no clue if how good Jones is, its his experience I am talking about. If starts against Derry I think its another joke. 4 years in charge and he putting lads on like that.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 29/06/2016 20:52:20    1874011

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Hard to believe we don't have a go to target man. This is a major issue for us

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 29/06/2016 20:59:35    1874013

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Btw...what's the story with daire Rowe?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 29/06/2016 21:00:12    1874015

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Replying To bert09:  "Btw...what's the story with daire Rowe?"
What is the story with Bobby O'Brien? A bit of fire in his belly..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 29/06/2016 21:21:08    1874025

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Just wondering does anyone know that if there was a change of management would the players that have dropped themselves off the panel become available again, I know there is too many to mention, but surely if that was the case the problem lies with the cb if they can not see this.

Forglory (Meath) - Posts: 85 - 30/06/2016 09:24:52    1874115

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Replying To Forglory:  "Just wondering does anyone know that if there was a change of management would the players that have dropped themselves off the panel become available again, I know there is too many to mention, but surely if that was the case the problem lies with the cb if they can not see this."
The problem is clearly with the county board,who seem to be willing to go through the motions.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/06/2016 11:11:29    1874160

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Forglory- I do not know for what reason some players left. We do need the best available- not just players who are there because they were on some underage team in the past. A lot of folk are posting to media and blaming players which I do not agree with --enough said about that. On a more interesting note I read an article today - a damming report (a Leinster Council initiative) on the inadequacies in GAA spending and player development (this was a review carried out in 4 counties but expected to be similar in many more). In summary it says that absence of skill-testing with over -emphasis on strength, conditioning areas resulting in less focus on technical, tactical, team play development, psychological and nutrition (I think that mean lot of spuds!). Many poster on these boards post about our lack of strength, conditioning. Guys think that lots of S/C makes for good players which is not the case. Its a question of balance between all the necessary attributes.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 30/06/2016 11:45:48    1874177

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "I think its crazy that Jones was thrown in the deep end last Sunday. He never played and competitive games for Meath to be thrown in against Dublin was ridiculous. Amateur hour from MOD. Jones was first sub, so MOD first thing is throw on a totally experienced player on. While Dublin where bringing Md. Macauley. I have no clue if how good Jones is, its his experience I am talking about. If starts against Derry I think its another joke. 4 years in charge and he putting lads on like that."
what experience is he lacking?

Is having experience a good thing? Mickey Newman, Reilly, Burke etc have plenty of 'experience' of being bet out the gate by Dublin anytime they play them, does the experience of never winning anything and consistent under-preforming at adult level count for anything? I don't think so.

He done well when he came on and I'd like to see him replace McDonagh v Derry. Good call by MOD

begining (UK) - Posts: 300 - 30/06/2016 11:46:00    1874178

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Replying To bert09:  "Hard to believe we don't have a go to target man. This is a major issue for us"
ha we had plenty of attacking alternative options until Micko in his wisdom threw them all off the panel in preference for his 100m sprinters all over the pitch - sheridan, queeney, farrell, ward, byrne, carroll could all win their own ball up front. They were no all stars or world beaters on the national stage but they were bloody good honest players at this tough difficult inter county level. Id rather be beaten by Dublin by 3 and 7 points in 2012 and 2013 than the current set up of losing by 16 and 10. And even the 10 could have been 20+ had they bothered going for goals rather than having a shooting for points exercise. Yes they have improved but by god we have gone backwards massively. You could pick a team based on club scene in meath that would bully and beat the current inter county side. Disgraceful stuff.

Mayhem (Meath) - Posts: 9 - 30/06/2016 11:54:23    1874185

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Just after listening to Oisín McConville on the second captains podcast saying Meath are quarter final if not semi final material. When you strip it all back, it's easy to see where he's coming from. Dublin are the outstanding team in the country and are well ahead of the pack. Beyond that, we could compete with most other teams. Derry will be a tough game but we are capable of beating them. Our main weakness is our mental strength or lack thereof. In round 3, the strongest opposition would be the loser of the Tyrone - Cavan replay. The provincial finalists come in after this round so Tipperary, Westmeath, Galway/Roscommon and another one of the Ulster teams. A lot of ifs and buts but with a favourable draw, we could easily be playing in August.

MarkMyWords (Meath) - Posts: 498 - 30/06/2016 13:12:40    1874225

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