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BrownePat would you agree that with the current players on the Panel that we should have better results over the last 2 years? I believe we have decent players but the management isn't getting the full potential out of them. A lot of people mentioning O'Coilean but I read on this forum that the management weren't happy with a trip he took during the league, if your not committed to the team I don't mind the player being dropped.
I would worry more about why Menton isn't playing for us this year, and I don't think burnout is the issue.
Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 10/06/2016 20:25:00
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Replying To Barney123: "BrownePat would you agree that with the current players on the Panel that we should have better results over the last 2 years? I believe we have decent players but the management isn't getting the full potential out of them. A lot of people mentioning O'Coilean but I read on this forum that the management weren't happy with a trip he took during the league, if your not committed to the team I don't mind the player being dropped.
I would worry more about why Menton isn't playing for us this year, and I don't think burnout is the issue." Yes I believe that progress is being made we have very young squad and while a famous quote was "you win nothing with kids" and that was proven wrong it is normally the case. Meath football will be all the better for the decisions made since still smash and grab Banty was shown the door.
Shen micko moves on and that will happen the next man will have great stuff to work with
Yeah ocoilein did not show the commitment needed some lads just don't have that and for 2016 menton felt he could not do it either which is fair enough
Personalities did not cause the exits
Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 10/06/2016 20:35:56
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Replying To Barney123: "BrownePat would you agree that with the current players on the Panel that we should have better results over the last 2 years? I believe we have decent players but the management isn't getting the full potential out of them. A lot of people mentioning O'Coilean but I read on this forum that the management weren't happy with a trip he took during the league, if your not committed to the team I don't mind the player being dropped.
I would worry more about why Menton isn't playing for us this year, and I don't think burnout is the issue." You are right to be worried by Menton.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 10/06/2016 20:50:18
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Replying To Brownepat: "Yes I believe that progress is being made we have very young squad and while a famous quote was "you win nothing with kids" and that was proven wrong it is normally the case. Meath football will be all the better for the decisions made since still smash and grab Banty was shown the door.
Shen micko moves on and that will happen the next man will have great stuff to work with
Yeah ocoilein did not show the commitment needed some lads just don't have that and for 2016 menton felt he could not do it either which is fair enough
Personalities did not cause the exits" A pity though as on the field O'Colleinn works his socks off,is very good at turning over a ball high up the field too. I do think Bobby O'Brien should have had more time on the field in the league.very clever player.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 10/06/2016 21:34:41
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Replying To ziggy32001: "A pity though as on the field O'Colleinn works his socks off,is very good at turning over a ball high up the field too. I do think Bobby O'Brien should have had more time on the field in the league.very clever player." Barney123/Brownpat- Its guys who are able to win something that you need on your panel and ye should not be posting rubbish about individual players commitment when you plainly do not have any facts except to post what some other fool (I forget his pseudo name) has posted in the past. I would say that all players who are, and were, on the various panels are/were very committed.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 10/06/2016 22:34:02
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Replying To browncows: "Barney123/Brownpat- Its guys who are able to win something that you need on your panel and ye should not be posting rubbish about individual players commitment when you plainly do not have any facts except to post what some other fool (I forget his pseudo name) has posted in the past. I would say that all players who are, and were, on the various panels are/were very committed." Only thing is I am correct in both indtances
Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 11/06/2016 07:27:32
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Brownepat-Judging by your posts I would guess that you are someone who:
(a) never played football or
(b) if you did it was at a low level
Guys who played the game would not come on here and make inaccurate statements about any player or indeed criticize players by name as any guy who is on a panel, or comes on to a panel is fully committed- some leave for their own very good reasons and none of us will know that reason even though some will speculate with their own agenda! The best of luck to all involved tomorrow.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 11/06/2016 10:59:16
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Replying To Brownepat: "Time to call a halt
I have read enough bull scutter from a certain few on here. Have ye no idea of what is going on in Meath football that you are so one tracked that you do not see what is happening.
1. Meath football is in transition every county even Dublin has gone through the like of this
2. Meath football is heading back the right way and will be a force in next 5/6 years
3. Remember Meath did not win a Leinster from 1970 to 1986 and back through the decades long barren runs this was a regular experience
4. Meath while one of the stronger Leinster counties have no right to be always considered a Top County because they are called Meath
5. Of the 30 or so inter county players at least 20 have only 1 or 2 years intercounty experience
6. Our top player Donal Keoghan is 24 and has 4 or 5 years inter county football played
7. Graham Reilly has a little more but is still mid 20s
8. Add in players like Micky Burke, Paddy ORourke and Micky Newman and you struggle to find another player that can be called experienced
9. Harry Rooney our great hope in midfield has barely a year playing with Meath and has played 7 League games with Meath. SEVEN where was John McDermott at the same stage probably not as advanced as Rooney but he McDermott had players like Harnan, McEntee and Hayes to support his development. Rooney will be a star for Meath yet if our Loyal band of supporters don't drive him away. McEntee Cassells Lyons and co played in the days when Longford and Wexford knocked us out of the Leinster Championship in the 80s but stayed around to be LEADERS under Boylan.
10. Our other good young players will also be stars for Meath if they are given the chance to develop and they will be Leaders for Meath in the future Padraig Harnan, Cillian OSullivan, Bobby and Cian OBrien, James and Shane McEntee, The Wallaces, OCoileain, Dara Rowe and other players from Sean Barrys U21s and Barry Callaghans minors.
11. The present Meath management are working towards leaving a decent panel of players for the next Meath management and the things said on these forums is bad form at times.
12. We are still recovering from the setup under Banty that set Meath football back a Decade at least in my own opinion.
13. Mick ODowd is pointing the Meath ship in the right direction he will not be around when we Finally win the Leinster again but he will have had a lot to do with taking the steps to get there." Brownpat,, i hate to say this but its time u woke up
otherlad (Meath) - Posts: 137 - 13/06/2016 09:22:18
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Replying To browncows: "Brownepat-Judging by your posts I would guess that you are someone who:
(a) never played football or
(b) if you did it was at a low level
Guys who played the game would not come on here and make inaccurate statements about any player or indeed criticize players by name as any guy who is on a panel, or comes on to a panel is fully committed- some leave for their own very good reasons and none of us will know that reason even though some will speculate with their own agenda! The best of luck to all involved tomorrow." The only problem is I am correct in both instances on the reasons either player is not involved
More so at a time when the negativity on these forums re Meath and our future and our good young team and manager this thread ..time to call a halt....has tried to show the other side
Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 13/06/2016 11:50:19
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Replying To otherlad: "Brownpat,, i hate to say this but its time u woke up" On the contary it is time some of the rest of woke up
Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 13/06/2016 11:52:57
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What is going to happen once the season end?
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Replying To ziggy32001: "What is going to happen once the season end?" Immediately call Andy McEntee, and see will GG act as a assistant, I was told today he was embarrassed to be a Meath man, seemingly wrote that in his column in the paper, no pride in the jersey .
So true, but all this comes down from management
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/06/2016 19:33:46
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A new manager is one thing lads and will probably improve Meath, But ye just don't have the players at present, poor underage structure for such a proud and traditional county. Meath need start building now for the future and aim for 5 years down the line, Going no where with current panel.
Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 28/06/2016 09:43:17
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Replying To Pingcity: "A new manager is one thing lads and will probably improve Meath, But ye just don't have the players at present, poor underage structure for such a proud and traditional county. Meath need start building now for the future and aim for 5 years down the line, Going no where with current panel." How do you know how good/bad our underage structure is now?
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 28/06/2016 10:39:35
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Replying To ziggy32001: "How do you know how good/bad our underage structure is now?" I don't so correct me if I am wrong, I wasn't having a dig just giving a general outside observation. From recent memory (apart from I think 2012 when Meath minors done well) Meath have been terrible at both Minor and u21. You need to have a few decent groups to eventually perform at senior level hense they reason I said Meath should put in the work at these age groups and aim for competing at SenIor in 5 years time as I cant see this current Meath group been good enough.
Its only last year a Meath u21 side lost 4-12 to 0-1
Pingcity (Longford) - Posts: 568 - 28/06/2016 11:30:29
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Replying To Pingcity: "I don't so correct me if I am wrong, I wasn't having a dig just giving a general outside observation. From recent memory (apart from I think 2012 when Meath minors done well) Meath have been terrible at both Minor and u21. You need to have a few decent groups to eventually perform at senior level hense they reason I said Meath should put in the work at these age groups and aim for competing at SenIor in 5 years time as I cant see this current Meath group been good enough.
Its only last year a Meath u21 side lost 4-12 to 0-1" yes but that was a reserve U21 team..
I watch a lot of development squad football.You should see Meath minors do better the next few years(this years team beat Dublin by 10 points).the U14's,U15's,U16's and U17's are very strong.The key will be too keep most of the better players when they reach minor and further. but the work is been done at those levels.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 28/06/2016 12:01:48
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Replying To ziggy32001: "yes but that was a reserve U21 team..
I watch a lot of development squad football.You should see Meath minors do better the next few years(this years team beat Dublin by 10 points).the U14's,U15's,U16's and U17's are very strong.The key will be too keep most of the better players when they reach minor and further. but the work is been done at those levels." Well I am glad if that's the case. I hope we do see Meath improving in next few years as I can only see them to be team to put it up to Dublin in Leinster in the long run. The county Board should do what ever it takes to help bring through these young lads and put a new senior manager in place.
If MOD doesn't walk he has some neck as they say. Four years in and no signs of major improvements. A run in the qualifiers would only be papering over the cracks imo.
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Ziggy , your optimism is great. I note the GR tournament is about to start . This years U16 team should come away with a Cup win , as they have accounted for every one of the teams that are participating in the tournament , from U14 -U15 level, at some point of other . And I believe they are only putting a single team in unlike the last 4 years when they split the teams . Which all must agree is good .
Systems of play do not happen over night , Meaths Ultra defensive approach last Sunday was alien to them . guys didn't know what they were doing .
In the ideal system , you defend strongly on your half way line .... Strongly , that means no flailing arms ,That means you stop the attacker from progressing for the split second it takes to swarm them and then turn them over . And then you attack enmasse .
Two things went wrong in MODs execution of the defensive system .
1. The Attackers weren't stopped to any great extent , flailing arms , no blockade , and thus no turning over as the team mate doesn't get the opportunity to get in on the action to perform the turn over .
2. Any successful turn overs require that you counter attack at speed and with support from the rest of your team . Two many times the poor counter attack failed because there was no communal support ......
It was a shambles . recall Eamons Wallace point ..... A lone effort from Half way line , very little support on either side . He had to go it alone.
MOD working on this system over a number of weeks is a massive mistake ......... It shows a lack of belief in what he has been doing . How did last Sundays game resemble the Louth Match ?
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By all accounts Meath are beginning to improve at underage level, shocking that it's taken so long to make the necessary improvements but better late than never I suppose. Holding on to these players will be the next big challenge, the stats released last year suggested that we were losing 76% of our players between U14 and minor level if memory serves me.
As for MOD, I think he really should have went last year, the fact that he was reappointed after a very poor 3rd year has drained a lot of the enthusiasm and hope out of the supporters.
Now while a new manager will not be the answer to all our prayers I think there's little point in plodding along with someone who simply can't improve the team and isn't likely to in the near future. Eamonn O'Brien was the last good manager we had and unsurprisingly he was the last man to deliver a good season for Meath football.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 28/06/2016 14:49:22
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Replying To Chaisleain_Abu: "Ziggy , your optimism is great. I note the GR tournament is about to start . This years U16 team should come away with a Cup win , as they have accounted for every one of the teams that are participating in the tournament , from U14 -U15 level, at some point of other . And I believe they are only putting a single team in unlike the last 4 years when they split the teams . Which all must agree is good .
Systems of play do not happen over night , Meaths Ultra defensive approach last Sunday was alien to them . guys didn't know what they were doing .
In the ideal system , you defend strongly on your half way line .... Strongly , that means no flailing arms ,That means you stop the attacker from progressing for the split second it takes to swarm them and then turn them over . And then you attack enmasse .
Two things went wrong in MODs execution of the defensive system .
1. The Attackers weren't stopped to any great extent , flailing arms , no blockade , and thus no turning over as the team mate doesn't get the opportunity to get in on the action to perform the turn over .
2. Any successful turn overs require that you counter attack at speed and with support from the rest of your team . Two many times the poor counter attack failed because there was no communal support ......
It was a shambles . recall Eamons Wallace point ..... A lone effort from Half way line , very little support on either side . He had to go it alone.
MOD working on this system over a number of weeks is a massive mistake ......... It shows a lack of belief in what he has been doing . How did last Sundays game resemble the Louth Match ?" It is as though he has been practising this for a week or too.As you say alot of bodies back,but most of them not sure what they are supposed to doing.No blockades,just poor individual tackles.Even when we were countering it was individual countering.no support and no running of the shoulder.We have seen little evidence of a plan been carefully implemented over the past 4 years so this wasn't going to change sunday..
As for the U16'? Great news that it is just one team.Meath last won this in 2007,they have a great chance this year.Just hope the managerial fiasco doesn't have a bad impact..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 28/06/2016 14:52:27
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