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No issues at all if lads want to travel.......take the full year out as Menton did a few years back!! You can't just decide you want to travel because you're in the Tailtin cup instead of Sam. If you commit to the team at the start of the year then you're there until the very end, not dropping in and out as you please.
ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 557 - 09/03/2023 15:38:28 2463013 Link 1 |
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They wouldn't be told they can't travel but they would be told if you opt out mid season because you don't fancy the tailtean cup then you won't be considered for next years panel.
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 871 - 09/03/2023 16:01:47 2463021 Link 2 |
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Again not disagreeing with you. Hopefully no one will. But I personally wouldn't hold it against them. As things stand I can't see us not playing in Sam so I doubt it will happen. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 09/03/2023 19:04:05 2463072 Link 0 |
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Yeah but if we ended up in the tailtean cup this year and some opted out and it wasn't held against them next year and they were brought back in to the panel who's to say if worst case scenario we were in tailtean cup again will players opt out again? Surely you are either committed for the full season or you are not and that should be the case unless you have a work or family issue or something like but opting out because you don't fancy the 2nd tier competition which basically implies you think you are too good for it shouldn't be accepted. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 871 - 09/03/2023 21:13:22 2463094 Link 1 |
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Who said morale low ? I've heard the opposite. They are pretty much safe with 2 games to go and more then likely will be in All Ireland bar some shocks in Munster or Ulster championships. I'm sure for their first season under new management and with a very young inexperienced panel, they are content with their lot so far, with clear dissapointing aspects thrown in obviously, which I'm sure are glaringly obvious within the group too. Im sure they are working on it all, certainly not thinking of heading off. southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 891 - 10/03/2023 09:33:41 2463111 Link 17 |
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If moral isn't low then I'd be very worried tbh. They are better than they have shown and unless they realize that then they just showing up. Which is not good. They need (and I include management in this) to look in the mirror and say have I played/coachesld at the level I can? I think apart from one or two players the answer is a resounding no. Fitness levels are off the pace where they should be, decision making is again not up to scratch, tight marking without giving fouls is non existent, showing for kick outs is a huge problem, now some of this can be put down to a new management and new style of play, but there is only so much a coach can do once the players cross the white line, poor shot selection. Hail Mary passes , running into tackles, not helping the man in possession, sloppy tackles and standing off their man. If that doesn't hurt as a player then I'd question why they on the team. I'm sure vast majority of them would say not only results but our play has been below what we demand of ourselves and as a team unit. If not we won't improve going forward. Maybe I'm old fashioned but doing the bare minimum is not acceptable for a county team. Not having a go at you. Just what I think. I am not seeing the passion and pride of wearing a Meath jersey (and I haven't seen it in a couple of years ) I hoped with a new manager it would kick in. But it hasn't yet. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/03/2023 11:30:17 2463147 Link 1 |
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what exactly do people think we could achieve in sam maguire cup? 1 win at most in group stage id have thought and maybe 3 beatings being realistic, tailteann cup is perfect fit for us this year and still have luxury of playing div 2 next season. id be wary enough of beating louth or westmeath in leinster semi finals. at the moment you would have to be 60:40 that we wouldnt win the only nice thing is we will go into that match underdogs all the pressure will be on louth or westmeath dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 696 - 10/03/2023 13:26:28 2463195 Link 1 |
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Experience of playing against the best. Simple. I got to say if we end up in tailteann it would be a massive step backwards. How will playing Wicklow Carlow London help the team going forward and then playing likes of maybe Kerry Tyrone etc next year in division two. You only get better playing the better teams. That's a fact. Westmeath are very 50/50 on getting promoted this year, so it hasn't done them much good.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/03/2023 13:58:45 2463204 Link 0 |
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Main benefit should be experience, especially for the new lads, will get at least three games, whereas in TC we might only get one, understand your logic and if we do end up there so be it, just be another learning curve allbeit a lower level. Had high hopes super 8s would bring us on a few years back, but we turned out to be a harsh lesson, which continued on into league the next year. Some seem to expect COR to arrive, wave magic wand and bestow the gift of fitness and s/c on lads who have never played at this level. Good to have a managet and panel who realise where we are at and the time and committment it will take to turn us around. No way would I write us off in Leinster, should have beaten Louth and westmeath running up a massive score against Antrim is no big surprise, impressive scoring but will mean little come championship.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 10/03/2023 15:30:10 2463237 Link 9 |
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Ok time to park the McGill saga. And the previous displays. Barring cork game all very disappointing. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/03/2023 18:42:39 2463276 Link 1 |
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Ok I'll bite. S&C from players who were there Last Year. Keoghan , O'Sullivan, Mcentee, Jones , Morris, O'Connor Scully Conlon all below what they were last year. Ie all less fit and athletic. Now that is down to either of 2 things. 1, over training at the moment which will see results In championship (hopefully that's it) or 2 wrong training which has left those players less fit and sore. I'll even give a pass on keoghan O'Sullivan and Mcentee and say age is catching up with them and really 35/ 50 minutes of high intensity county football is all we can expect. But if things do not improve then we need a new s and c coach going forward, that is not Colm's job so you can relax I'm not having a go at ur hero. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/03/2023 08:17:44 2463291 Link 0 |
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bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 11/03/2023 10:09:11 2463307 Link 0 |
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Didn't he poach the coach from the ladies he is credited with turning them from a average intermediate team into the all Ireland champions. So why would he need to be replaced. You are comparing this team full of newcomers with the team Andy had for 5 years. Give them a chance for God's sake.
latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 520 - 11/03/2023 11:33:46 2463328 Link 10 |
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Didn't he poach the coach from the ladies he is credited with turning them from a average intermediate team into the all Ireland champions. So why would he need to be replaced. You are comparing this team full of newcomers with the team Andy had for 5 years. Give them a chance for God's sake.
latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 520 - 11/03/2023 12:28:50 2463338 Link 1 |
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Big difference between ladies football and mens football particularly in the S&C so it's not necessarily a given that his success with the ladies will transfer to the men's football.
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 871 - 11/03/2023 12:45:37 2463341 Link 0 |
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O Sullivan and McEntee are still 28, how is age catching up to them, they are in their prime. Last year we started the league slower and we were very unfit. Fitness at the moment is not an issue, every team is doing heavy blocks of training. Dublin done 5 heavy sessions the few weeks of the Clare and Cork games. I wouldn't be surprised if we done a block of gym and fitness work the few weeks of the Louth and Limerick games. UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 11/03/2023 13:07:06 2463346 Link 5 |
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Strength and conditioning is not something that takes years. And tbh ladies football is like comparing climbing croghan hill to Mount Everest , we were fit after been unfit in mcentee first year. Every player I mentioned was fitter last year. Actually those that came in are fitter than those that were there. So ur point isn't a valid one
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 11/03/2023 13:16:08 2463348 Link 0 |
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Good man Latouche, I know we've had differences of opinions before (all reasonably healthy ones) and you've hit the nail on the head. S&C takes years to be built up, it's not something you take a pill for and you're suddenly cured. Nothing with this team is an instant fix, from S&C, game plans, mentality etc. Saying let's replace a lad who jimmy mcguinness had working with his Donegal teams and trusted implicitly shows people are never happy. If we'd Micko, Sean Boylan, Jim Gavin, Eamonn Fitzmaurice, Mickey Harte and Jimmy McGuinness managing this team, there's some who'd still whinge… cos we are Meath… not realising we've not been Meath since Eamonn O'Brien was in charge. brian (Meath) - Posts: 1954 - 11/03/2023 13:16:41 2463349 Link 11 |
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At this stage its hard to know wheather its a genuine lack of understanding of the game or another one of you grudges against another manager? Truth be told it is a bit of both, lads are training and putting in a big effort, add in time and patience and the ship will start to turn. Fitness overall is at least on par and maybe a bit better. S/C as majority know takes time and patience. Overall your comments are misplaced and often spiteful, stop moaning and start to watch the games for enjoyment and not just to pick faults and rush on here to post rubbish. As for COR been my hero, I take no issue with that, himself and SB have done more for Meath football over the last forty years than anyone else and long may it continue.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 11/03/2023 14:15:14 2463356 Link 6 |
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On what evidence are you basing your opinion that the fitness is a bit better than it was previously? Because I haven't noticed that at all. And as far as the S&C yourself and others are making out like this group were at literally zero in terms of S&C when this management came in which couldn't be further from the truth . There was plenty of issues in the previous regime but S&C certainly was one of them. The vast majority of the panel had a very high level of S&C built up over the last 2/3 years so even with a new man in there probably doing things differently it shouldn't take very long to get them up to where they would be expected to be. Certainly not the time and patience you mention. From the 5 games I've been at so far I don't see any improvement in lads S&C wise from the pre season cup competitions in January and in my opinion they Def don't look as well conditioned as in previous years at the same time of the season. I certainly wouldn't be calling to get rid of anyone from the management at this early stage but I don't see any issue with people questioning the likes of the S&C if they feel it has fallen back a bit on previous years which quite a few people I've spoken to believe it has. Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 871 - 11/03/2023 15:47:53 2463386 Link 3 |