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Meath Vs Louth

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Replying To winatallcost:  "I was watching the same match as you were and everyone else beside you. You expressed your opinion. I have done the same. I thought Jack Flynn played quite well showing promising authority at midfield. I also disagree with you in that long direct ball did work at times and it was the short laborious ppassing that was our downfall."
We will agre to disagree.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2023 20:26:15    2460468

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Replying To Meathfor@life:  "Can we stop going on about mcGill like Jesus Christ he's gone off the panel end of story"
Tbf if mcgill had been there he would've had the experience to prevent the goal from happening, two points up and a man down he would've made sure that the goal was being protected. Lack of experience from the full back line in that situation

Royal.1 (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 26/02/2023 20:26:47    2460470

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Replying To Richieq:  "Louth didn't beat Meath today, Meath done an outstanding job of beating themselves, once again silly errors cost us, we have to eradicate these basic mistakes as they are killing us."
Absolutely. I don't know what we can do. What are we doing in training to eradicate them ? Are we doing proper skills tests , basic skills? , while we can blame Dublin joe as much as we like we got a few calls ourselves that were questionable, jones got a free after grabbing louth players arm and then throwing the ball. That been said that wasn't a red. But apart from Harry coming out to pick up a player on kick outs I didn't see any real set up differences. And the last kick of game to go low instead of just drop it in the square to see could we get a fist on it into net. These are very basic things that are trained at u12s.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2023 20:32:16    2460473

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Replying To winatallcost:  "I just didn't see the same. Sorry but i think bossing the backline could be called an exaggeration. He is neither a good enough defender or player in possession to be on a Meath team."
The same could be said for plenty of his teammates on that panel.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 872 - 26/02/2023 20:46:35    2460482

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Replying To Royal.1:  "Tbf if mcgill had been there he would've had the experience to prevent the goal from happening, two points up and a man down he would've made sure that the goal was being protected. Lack of experience from the full back line in that situation"
The Louth lad ran from inside his own half passed our h/bf midfield and half backs ans somehow is was the full backs fault. If only Shane Mac was still here bossing the show.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 26/02/2023 20:52:47    2460487

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Replying To Royal.1:  "Tbf if mcgill had been there he would've had the experience to prevent the goal from happening, two points up and a man down he would've made sure that the goal was being protected. Lack of experience from the full back line in that situation"
That's a fairly senseless comment.

Flood has been very good this year and again today. He wasn't at fault at all fir the goal, so how would it have been different if mcgill was there.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6344 - 26/02/2023 20:59:21    2460491

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Replying To seadog54:  "The Louth lad ran from inside his own half passed our h/bf midfield and half backs ans somehow is was the full backs fault. If only Shane Mac was still here bossing the show."
Pathetic comment.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2023 21:05:58    2460496

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Game of 4 quarters. Looked like easy winners until the sending off in the first half, Shane Walsh looked good and then after the sending off Louth took over for the rest of the half. Did very well to get 5 points ahead again with 14 men against the wind in the second half with Jack Flynn looking great. In fairness Louth finished very well and got some great scores. Meath turned over a lot of ball in this time. Near the end we tried to run through a massed Louth defense looking for goals, we would have been better taking points or if we were looking for goals kicking in to someone, it was frustrating watching from the stand Keogan making 2 good runs in behind late on but we tried to hand pass our way through a huge no. of Louth players.
I haven't looked at the fixture list for other teams but I would guess if we beat Limerick we're safe from relegation?, although this year with the championship restructure we probably need to be finishing in top 4 or 5 in the division.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1363 - 26/02/2023 21:09:20    2460498

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A win next week and we'll be ok on 6pts .
Limerick will go down and Clare will need to win 2 out of 3 against Derry , Cork , Limerick to get to 6pts can't see that Derry and Cork will beat them .
Early days for this team I wouldn't panic yet we have been in a poor place for the guts of 20 years so we shouldn't expect COR to work miracles after a few months.
If on his 3rd year we are not promoted to div 1 and winning a leinster I'd panic then but as it is we are no better or no worse than the last few years but I'd give this group a little more time to mature as a team .
Keep the faith it can only get better its important people stick behind this set up and hopefully what ever structure they are trying to implement works in time .

mmc (Meath) - Posts: 268 - 26/02/2023 21:11:31    2460500

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Replying To seadog54:  "The Louth lad ran from inside his own half passed our h/bf midfield and half backs ans somehow is was the full backs fault. If only Shane Mac was still here bossing the show."
Classless comment

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2023 21:30:38    2460508

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Replying To seadog54:  "The Louth lad ran from inside his own half passed our h/bf midfield and half backs ans somehow is was the full backs fault. If only Shane Mac was still here bossing the show."
He runs by one man in fairness,poor ball to him Louth forward nipped in ahead of him and our defender is caught flat footed and he has the whole pitch to run at hogan.Dont understand why we have pushed everyone up so high with us winning by 2 and leave ourselves exposed at the back.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 258 - 26/02/2023 21:40:48    2460512

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That was disappointing match, went into it with expectations that we could get promoted especially after seeing Clare and Cork vs the Dubs.

Hard to take positives from yesterday but there were a couple.

Flood and O Neill are growing and improving game by game. O Neill had a stormer of a second half. Flynn also looked like a long term option but needs to back up the performance. Good to see Walsh and Costello back.

A lot more negatives though, no defensive shape, a lot of players aren't cutting it at playing division 2, discipline (not just the red card but frees in general), lack of leaders, lazy kick passes (not just the goal but in the first half, there was a lot of sloppy kicking from lads not being focused).

I'll watch the game back tonight if I can find a link and give more thoughts on players but we now need to win 2 of the last 3 games to have a shout at making the top half of division 2.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 27/02/2023 09:14:57    2460537

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I said back in December that our realistic goal has to be to stay in division 2 but that we'll struggle and may end up in the tailteann cup, and of course I was told I was being to negative. Well unfortunately it's looking more and more like that's the way we are headed. I wouldn't even be too confident of beating Limerick next week the way we are playing. We caught Cork on the hop, every team we play look far better drilled then ourselves. The sooner we accept this is our level, the less frustrated we'll be . Tailteann cup here we come.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 892 - 27/02/2023 10:07:48    2460552

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Replying To hyperache:  "No disrespect intended to Louth or their supporters, but if Meath can't beat Louth at home fairly comfortably, there's a serious issue somewhere. Expecting nothing less than a 5+ point win, at least go into the second half of the campaign with some degree of hope, and securing a top 3 finish."
I hope you did not put any money on that Hyerache. Louth half time Louth full time was 6/1.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 790 - 27/02/2023 11:13:47    2460592

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Congratulations to louth. Better team on the day won. We can have no complaints. Colm hopefully will have learned from today.
And Ollie my old friend I didn't get to call into fitzimmons as I was running later than I had hoped. But I hope you enjoyed that one."
Cheers Royaldunne. The head is sore today and I have no voice but its worth it.

Ollie2 (Louth) - Posts: 790 - 27/02/2023 11:16:01    2460594

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "That was disappointing match, went into it with expectations that we could get promoted especially after seeing Clare and Cork vs the Dubs.

Hard to take positives from yesterday but there were a couple.

Flood and O Neill are growing and improving game by game. O Neill had a stormer of a second half. Flynn also looked like a long term option but needs to back up the performance. Good to see Walsh and Costello back.

A lot more negatives though, no defensive shape, a lot of players aren't cutting it at playing division 2, discipline (not just the red card but frees in general), lack of leaders, lazy kick passes (not just the goal but in the first half, there was a lot of sloppy kicking from lads not being focused).

I'll watch the game back tonight if I can find a link and give more thoughts on players but we now need to win 2 of the last 3 games to have a shout at making the top half of division 2."
Why would you want to get promoted with a young inexperienced side would do more harm than good .
Look what happened the last time we went up and we weren't ready for it done more harm than anything.
We need to realise where we are and how poor Meath football has been for a long time now .
These players need time and the players coming behind them need a decent structure and set up come into to .
One thing you can't beat is winning just look at were Derry have cone from no point going into a division that you don't believe you can win every game .
People are expecting miracles over night if we are in Div 1 in 2025 and can compete in every game then we have made progress and realistically that's what we are looking at.

mmc (Meath) - Posts: 268 - 27/02/2023 11:16:13    2460595

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Replying To mmc:  "A win next week and we'll be ok on 6pts .
Limerick will go down and Clare will need to win 2 out of 3 against Derry , Cork , Limerick to get to 6pts can't see that Derry and Cork will beat them .
Early days for this team I wouldn't panic yet we have been in a poor place for the guts of 20 years so we shouldn't expect COR to work miracles after a few months.
If on his 3rd year we are not promoted to div 1 and winning a leinster I'd panic then but as it is we are no better or no worse than the last few years but I'd give this group a little more time to mature as a team .
Keep the faith it can only get better its important people stick behind this set up and hopefully what ever structure they are trying to implement works in time ."
Well said, we have been on the slide for many years and things are not going to get much better anytime soon. Fortunate to be on four points if we are honest with ourselves. Next week very important, a win will go a long way to safety, however, top five is a minimum to insure place in All Ireland series should Leinster go belly up.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 27/02/2023 11:16:38    2460596

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A lot of dramatic catastrophising here. There's no chance we will lose to Limerick, and 6 points will be enough to stay up even before we take on the Dubs and what looks like a Kildare team in freefall.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1649 - 27/02/2023 12:13:38    2460625

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "That was disappointing match, went into it with expectations that we could get promoted especially after seeing Clare and Cork vs the Dubs.

Hard to take positives from yesterday but there were a couple.

Flood and O Neill are growing and improving game by game. O Neill had a stormer of a second half. Flynn also looked like a long term option but needs to back up the performance. Good to see Walsh and Costello back.

A lot more negatives though, no defensive shape, a lot of players aren't cutting it at playing division 2, discipline (not just the red card but frees in general), lack of leaders, lazy kick passes (not just the goal but in the first half, there was a lot of sloppy kicking from lads not being focused).

I'll watch the game back tonight if I can find a link and give more thoughts on players but we now need to win 2 of the last 3 games to have a shout at making the top half of division 2."
Thought Meaths response to the red was brilliant. Down to 14 men playing against the breeze and go 5 up.

Lot of mistakes made for sure but to be fair i thought the work rate and attitude of Meath lads to mistakes on the pitch was good.

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1792 - 27/02/2023 12:56:10    2460638

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Replying To mmc:  "Why would you want to get promoted with a young inexperienced side would do more harm than good .
Look what happened the last time we went up and we weren't ready for it done more harm than anything.
We need to realise where we are and how poor Meath football has been for a long time now .
These players need time and the players coming behind them need a decent structure and set up come into to .
One thing you can't beat is winning just look at were Derry have cone from no point going into a division that you don't believe you can win every game .
People are expecting miracles over night if we are in Div 1 in 2025 and can compete in every game then we have made progress and realistically that's what we are looking at."
As a supporter it would be great to see Meath make a division 2 final and win it.

I agree with your points though, going up to Division 1 could be a disaster and we could be the whipping boys.

We need to develop a solid 20 players to even think about competing in division 1, right now on the first 4 league games I can probably pick 8-10 lads (Hogan, O Neill, Flood, Keoghan, O Sullivan, Scully, Walsh, Costello, Morris) who have shown the potential to develop into division 1 footballers.
Of the above players, there are a couple of obvious areas which are struggling and need to be addressed, secondary go to man marker, wing backs, midfield, secondary wing forward who can work and chip in with a couple of points, a back up option the lads in the full forward line.

Your point about 2025 is spot on, this isn't going to be an overnight or one season fix, it will take 2 full seasons before we see if there is any progress.

Once you develop the 20 lads, we need to build depth in certain areas. Menton and McGill not being part of the panel is effected that process.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 27/02/2023 13:04:14    2460641

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