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Replying To Meathfor@life: "Are we ever going to fix the midfield issue is that hard to ask to find one lad who can catch a ball" Mcgowan and flynn, altho not the finished article, are probably the only pairing with potential. Don't want to be too disrespectful to the 2 lads that played their last night, but they were really poor. No fielding, poor distribution, lack of basic skills, gave away countless amount of ball, and were waltzed around by Derry players when they were going forward. Not sure why conlon is there at all to be honest. I'm sure he's effective for Simonstown, but not an intercounty player imo
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Replying To southmeathgael: "Mcgowan and flynn, altho not the finished article, are probably the only pairing with potential. Don't want to be too disrespectful to the 2 lads that played their last night, but they were really poor. No fielding, poor distribution, lack of basic skills, gave away countless amount of ball, and were waltzed around by Derry players when they were going forward. Not sure why conlon is there at all to be honest. I'm sure he's effective for Simonstown, but not an intercounty player imo" Agree re Conlon. No disrespect to the lad he try's his best but he's been around a long time now and it just isn't working out at all. I'd keep jones. But not at midfield. That been said everyone last night underperformed with the exception of oreilly who did his best but was very much on his own in that.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/02/2023 14:40:37
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Interesting COR said on Tommy Tiernan last night if there is no marked improvement in 2 years he would most like walk away. That was obviously pre recorded a few months back so I wonder does he still feel the same or when saying that did he underestimate how big a job he had on his hands
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 872 - 19/02/2023 14:51:12
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Replying To royaldunne: "Agree re Conlon. No disrespect to the lad he try's his best but he's been around a long time now and it just isn't working out at all. I'd keep jones. But not at midfield. That been said everyone last night underperformed with the exception of oreilly who did his best but was very much on his own in that." Look, Conlon is a center back who is converted to midfield. When O Rourke and Nash were playing with Simonstown Conlon was their center back and even at club games still they play him there.
O Rourke knows this better than anyone so not sure why he went with him over McGowan last night
UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 19/02/2023 15:13:07
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Replying To Evernal: "Best of luck to Colm and the lads. Long trip up to Celtic Park today f9r this must win game. Deery is a lovely city. Should be aiming for the 2 points. Derry are a real yo yo county, I wouldn't rate them at all. Flash in the pan last year in a very poor province where all teams are now at a middling level.
Meath constantly failing to get the better of Dublin in Leinster should stand to them. A hard game every year against probably the best team ever to play Gaelic Football the last 15 years has brought on this young team to acknowledge just what's needed to get to the top. With that if we hit hit the long ball in quick and early we should win this easy enough. Be a close game but Meath to win by 9 or so.
Hon the Royal!" One would assume this is a parody account
ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1581 - 19/02/2023 15:41:53
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Replying To UsernameInvalid: "Look, Conlon is a center back who is converted to midfield. When O Rourke and Nash were playing with Simonstown Conlon was their center back and even at club games still they play him there.
O Rourke knows this better than anyone so not sure why he went with him over McGowan last night" It's a strange call. Mcentee did play Conlon in centre back though if I remember correctly.
Look I don't want to do anyone down but it just hasn't worked out for him, and I think it's unfair on him at this stage.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/02/2023 16:22:19
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Replying To Blackspot09: "The full back line are improving every game....... Wowsers. Thata actually quite scary if you genuinely believe that." Agreed !! Not good enough
houndinbound (Meath) - Posts: 21 - 19/02/2023 16:27:33
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Replying To Blackspot09: "Interesting COR said on Tommy Tiernan last night if there is no marked improvement in 2 years he would most like walk away. That was obviously pre recorded a few months back so I wonder does he still feel the same or when saying that did he underestimate how big a job he had on his hands" Said when he took the job he would give it two years and would not overstay his welcome if there was no improvement. Going to take a while, especially getting the new lads up to required lever of SC and overall fitness. If we can get the three lads back from injury it should steady the ship for rest of league.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 19/02/2023 16:38:43
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Replying To royaldunne: "Sorry have to knock a few things on the head. After reading back here and watching game when I got home. Nonsense talk of taking over a team in low ebb. Maybe mentally but not practically. Fact is Colm and co took over a midtable division 2 team as many myself included felt for last two years we weren't achieving what we were capable of. That's first thing. To say otherwise is bs. Use the excuses of new management settling in, never managed county team before (u21s) was long time ago so won't count that, etc etc. but let's not let RTÉ and others cloud the facts. Colm took over a team and panel that had stagnated under Andy. There was no improvement last year, if going on year by year our performances v cork Derry and Clare were actually better last year , so we knock that talk on the head.
Colm is learning and he needs to be open to learning realising he can make mistakes, that needs to be his first lesson. I am making mistakes, even the commentators said their were lads waiting on a high ball in while surrounded and not looking for a ball or coming out to take a hand pass. The fb line was shocking and I think it may show why our free count was so high in previous games, the players have no confidence in the backline.
I was talking to a few people yesterday and one in particular was not a fan of either previous or present management and I won't repeat what they were saying as tbh it sounded like vitriol and grudges and tbh Must of it would end someone up on a charge of slander. But he did say one thing that stuck with me, he asked me how the likes of menton, McGill, Devine and James mcentee must be feeling sitting at home and watching Conlon start ahead of McGowan. Now I did try to explain that mentons choice was his own but he was having none of it. But I do think starting Conlon ahead of McGowan was a bad call by Colm and co, but that cannot be blamed for that abysmal performance. We knew what we would face and yet went out and tried to put a square peg in a round hole, that is down to management . Now it's a learning curve for management and while I and others hoped for a bounce from new set up it doesn't look like we will get one. I don't believe we will get relegated as we are better than that and two previous managers managed to keep us up every time so I do think that's a odd base to have a objective. Objective one should be to play all ire I said this all along . So finishing 6th will probably not do that. So we have to hope for other results to go our way. I can see it coming down us v Kildare as to who will be in all ire series if things go bad.
So what should happen, first things first. Colm drives to ashbourne and asks Brian would he give it another go ? If he is adamant then leave it at that, second thing is a trip to rathoath, hey Connor look we both said things we didn't mean for the good of the team (who are allegedly annoyed at the treatment of a very popular teammate) I'll forget what you said and you do the same and I'll see you on Tuesday evening. That is what is needed now. To unify the panel." You are saying bringing back McGill will unify the panel? Is there a split in the panel or what is going on?
why would bringing back someone who isn't fit and not willing to put the hard work in unify the panel?
You want O'rourke to beg a player to come back who already declined joining the team?
if players don't want to play for Meath, that is their choice. This isn't Junior C where you are trying to get 15 players and begging lads to play.
Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 569 - 19/02/2023 16:53:14
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Replying To Maestro: "You are saying bringing back McGill will unify the panel? Is there a split in the panel or what is going on?
why would bringing back someone who isn't fit and not willing to put the hard work in unify the panel?
You want O'rourke to beg a player to come back who already declined joining the team?
if players don't want to play for Meath, that is their choice. This isn't Junior C where you are trying to get 15 players and begging lads to play." It's about getting the best players for the county. I agree re menton. But no harm in asking his. As for McGill , what a utterly disgraceful comment to say he wasn't pulling his weight. It had nothing got to do with that. So please inform yourself before disrespecting a player who has given more to Meath football than you or I or anyone else on here have have or will. His absence is one persons fault. And yes the dressing room are very annoyed about his treatment.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/02/2023 17:10:16
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Replying To Blackspot09: "The full back line are improving every game....... Wowsers. Thata actually quite scary if you genuinely believe that." Jack O Connor was at fault for the first goal, his man went to go out and cut back in. O Connor should have held his position, if he does then his man takes a ball on the loop and is still outside the 21. O Connor isn't a natural defender, I would have always seen him as a corner forward.
For Niall Toners goal, I think it was Hickey was the man who was picking him up and went to the ball instead of sticking with the man who was in a more dangerous position.
A lot of the points picked off by Derry, Clare and Cork all came from fouls and the half back/midfield losing possession.
UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 355 - 19/02/2023 17:11:55
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Replying To Maestro: "You are saying bringing back McGill will unify the panel? Is there a split in the panel or what is going on?
why would bringing back someone who isn't fit and not willing to put the hard work in unify the panel?
You want O'rourke to beg a player to come back who already declined joining the team?
if players don't want to play for Meath, that is their choice. This isn't Junior C where you are trying to get 15 players and begging lads to play." Agreed 100% IF its the case that ANY player is not fully commited then bye bye and good luck . End ofstory ! .
If you want to wear the jersey you do whats needed for the benefit of the team !
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1228 - 19/02/2023 17:18:43
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Replying To nobull456: "Agreed 100% IF its the case that ANY player is not fully commited then bye bye and good luck . End ofstory ! .
If you want to wear the jersey you do whats needed for the benefit of the team !" And you know he wasn't committed? Cause what's been said is nothing got to do with that. It's got to do with challenging a method. And then was told off like a school boy by a principal, Either way last year's player of the year needs to be on the panel. I'm curious to know why you think it's one over the other ? Who told you ? The reference is clearly that the truth lays somewhere in the middle. Anyone who has watched Connor McGill over the years will know his commitment to both club and county. And I find it strange that would suddenly change. Do you not ?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/02/2023 17:35:59
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Lads we are 3 matches into a new management do some people think ORourke has a magic wand .
It's only a short time ago Derry were playing Div 4 football and look at them now it didn't happen over night for them .
This is a young side some will make it some won't but jez give them time and give the Management time .
I would love to see one thing addressed ASAP and a problem that was there also under McEntee and its our kickouts its killing us unless that's sorted we will always struggle .
mmc (Meath) - Posts: 268 - 19/02/2023 17:37:14
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Replying To Maestro: "You are saying bringing back McGill will unify the panel? Is there a split in the panel or what is going on?
why would bringing back someone who isn't fit and not willing to put the hard work in unify the panel?
You want O'rourke to beg a player to come back who already declined joining the team?
if players don't want to play for Meath, that is their choice. This isn't Junior C where you are trying to get 15 players and begging lads to play." Ok I know this is aimed at me. But can the 7 people who liked this disrespectful comment on McGill please come on under this comment and say me.
If it was just done to somehow target myself I couldn't give a flying fk. But to disrespect a player of Connors commitment to county is beneath contemptible. So if u have any balls at all comment under this comment,keyboard warriors. And show urself. Otherwise it's the same person logging in and out of different accounts. Which I think is the case.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/02/2023 17:41:07
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Replying To mmc: "Lads we are 3 matches into a new management do some people think ORourke has a magic wand .
It's only a short time ago Derry were playing Div 4 football and look at them now it didn't happen over night for them .
This is a young side some will make it some won't but jez give them time and give the Management time .
I would love to see one thing addressed ASAP and a problem that was there also under McEntee and its our kickouts its killing us unless that's sorted we will always struggle ." No one is not giving management time. But the young side thing for me won't wash. He and his team selected what should be the best available players. Is there better players sitting in stand ? Remember mod made wholesale changes too quickly and destroyed what was a competitive team. Colm will rightly be given time. But also to play a kicking game last night was football suicide. I don't think it is unfair on him to state that
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/02/2023 17:44:44
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Replying To nobull456: "Agreed 100% IF its the case that ANY player is not fully commited then bye bye and good luck . End ofstory ! .
If you want to wear the jersey you do whats needed for the benefit of the team !" A lot of lads got way to comfortable over last few years, name on teamsheet every week no matter how poor they played. Good to see there is no room on panel for anyone not willing to fight for their place.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 19/02/2023 17:48:01
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Replying To royaldunne: "Ok I know this is aimed at me. But can the 7 people who liked this disrespectful comment on McGill please come on under this comment and say me.
If it was just done to somehow target myself I couldn't give a flying fk. But to disrespect a player of Connors commitment to county is beneath contemptible. So if u have any balls at all comment under this comment,keyboard warriors. And show urself. Otherwise it's the same person logging in and out of different accounts. Which I think is the case." Mgmt were not happy at the condition he showed up in, unlike others who were cut immediatley COR gave Conor a chance to get in shape, it never improved so he was dropped off the panel. This has been handled totally fair by all involved. He has been found to fade out of games over the years, Its up to Conor now to get into inter county shape.
Sheridan2010louth (Meath) - Posts: 146 - 19/02/2023 17:51:46
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Replying To UsernameInvalid: "Jack O Connor was at fault for the first goal, his man went to go out and cut back in. O Connor should have held his position, if he does then his man takes a ball on the loop and is still outside the 21. O Connor isn't a natural defender, I would have always seen him as a corner forward.
For Niall Toners goal, I think it was Hickey was the man who was picking him up and went to the ball instead of sticking with the man who was in a more dangerous position.
A lot of the points picked off by Derry, Clare and Cork all came from fouls and the half back/midfield losing possession." And your point is? So they weren't responsible solely for yesterdays Defensive shambles. Nobody said they were.
But after yesterdays horror show to say you can see an improvement in the full back line or any line on the pitch or any individual player for that matter is absolute bizarre .
Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 872 - 19/02/2023 17:58:10
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Replying To royaldunne: "Ok I know this is aimed at me. But can the 7 people who liked this disrespectful comment on McGill please come on under this comment and say me.
If it was just done to somehow target myself I couldn't give a flying fk. But to disrespect a player of Connors commitment to county is beneath contemptible. So if u have any balls at all comment under this comment,keyboard warriors. And show urself. Otherwise it's the same person logging in and out of different accounts. Which I think is the case." Me, would have liked it twice but too much bother logging into my other account.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 19/02/2023 18:07:51
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