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'The People's Game' - 8 Like(s)
Replying To Soma: "I see the latest video advertising Ireland and encouraging people to visit and invest in the island has 5 sporting images - 1 from rowing, 1 from horse-racing and 3 from rugby. Official Ireland is clearly of the view that rugby is the sport of the people. Considering many of the markets being targeted would have no knowledge of rugby, and in a 3 horse race on where to host a rugby world cup the rugby nations of the world voted Ireland 3rd, it seems peculiar to use so many rugby images compared to other sports. 1 of the images was from 10 years ago or more as well so it's not a case that they just picked what is current. Maybe everyone posting on here is out of touch with the new Ireland?" That is chronic. Surely you'd be selling what's unique and different to anyone coming to Ireland. That number of rugby images is ludicrous and shows the bias of those commissioning the video.
CeachtPeile (National) - 19/03/2018 14:11:51
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Should The Leagues Be Re-Tiered? - 7 Like(s)
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "Scares sure, but nothing major. You're still up there, as the top teams will continue to be. You're just happy with your closed shop as it suits those there" Since the leagues were restructured in 2008, the highest division achieved (including 2023) for each county is:
Division 1 for 17 counties (Armagh, Cavan, Cork, Derry, Donegal, Down, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Laois, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone, Westmeath)
Division 2 for 10 counties (Antrim, Clare, Fermanagh, Limerick, Longford, Louth, Offaly, Sligo, Tipperary, Wexford)
Division 3 for 4 counties (Carlow, Leitrim, Waterford, Wicklow)
Division 4 for 2 counties (Kilkenny [until 2012], London)
With 53% of the counties currently competing having played in the top division and 84% in the top two divisions, that's a very fluid league system and certainly doesn't look like a closed shop.
CeachtPeile (National) - 11/04/2022 10:32:14
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Dynamic Football Championship - 7 Like(s)
There's a lot of talk about the need for a multi-tier All Ireland football championship with the perception often being given that the championship is a boring, repetitive, predictable competition that only gives opportunity for the few. It is interesting to consider the following facts, which show that over time it's considerably less predictable and more dynamic than you'd think and, whilst not everyone can aspire to reach the highest levels, it does give opportunities for the many and hope to most teams of some degree of achievement.
* Since the qualifiers were introduced in 2001 there have been seven different winners, three other teams who've got to a final, five who've got to a semi-final and eight who've got to a quarter-final - so that's 23 in total who've made it at least to a quarter-final, which is a very high proportion for any competition. Of the remaining nine (excluding New York and Kilkenny and including London) six have got to the last-12 and the remaining three have got to the last-16 (Carlow being the last one this year). So every team has got at least as far as qualifier round 3 - granted some teams get lucky with the draw and start at round 2 but it's still a sign of opportunity and a potential sense of achievement for most.
* Since 2001 (when for the first time it was possible to reach the semi-finals without having won a province) there has been at least one semi-finalist each year who was not there the previous year. In fact, on average, there were two such teams each year.
* Since 1991 the only teams to retain the title were Kerry in 2007 and Dublin in 2016. Historically, the longest sequence of successive title wins has been Kerry (twice) with four-in-a-row (1978-81, 1929-32) and Wexford (1914-18). Three-in-a-row has only been achieved on six occasions Dublin (x3) 1921-23, 1906-08 and 1897-99, Kerry (x2) 1984-86 and 1939-41 as well as Galway 1964-66.
* Every year since 1989 has seen at least one of the All Ireland finalists being a team that wasn't there the previous year. In fact the only years since 1920 where the two finalists were the same as the previous year were 1988 (Cork and Meath), 1985 (Kerry and Dublin), 1982 (Offaly and Kerry), 1979 (Kerry and Dublin), 1976 (Kerry and Dublin), 1965 (Galway and Kerry), 1941 (Kerry and Galway), 1927 (Kildare and Kerry) and 1924 (Kerry and Dublin). Granted the three-year rotation of the provinces that meet up in the semi-finals meant that for a long period it wouldn't have been possible to have the same teams meet three years in a row in the final but the small number of repeat pairings over the years shows a healthy variation and a dynamic competition.
* Quite surprisingly, considering the cycles of domination by particular teams in each province, the last year in which all four provincial winners were the same as the previous year was 1942 (when Cavan, Dublin, Kerry and Galway won their respective provinces for at least the second year running). The only other years when that has happened since 1920 were 1937, 1934, 1930 and 1924.
* Similarly there has not been a single year where all eight provincial finalists were the same as the previous year. In fact there has been an average of four provincial finalists changing in every year since 1920.
CeachtPeile (National) - 17/07/2017 19:49:54
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Londonderry - will they ever learn? - 3 Like(s)
The ignorance, shown in many of the comments here, of the problems faced by Northern nationalists and Gaels in trying to achieve parity of esteem is breathtaking.
You have a situation, where on a supposedly neutral broadcaster that knows the sensitivities and political connotations of the use of certain language, a presenter gets a written script and deviates from it to use a term that is clearly provocative.
Remember Jerome Quinn, the BBC GAA sports presenter who was sacked because he had supposedly "compromised his impartiality" by criticising the BBC online for being biased (all subsequent evidence indicates that he was dead right). It's very hard to believe that this presenter wasn't equally compromising her impartiality and, as such, should be appropriately reprimanded.
CeachtPeile (National) - 30/01/2018 22:52:28
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Brolly on the cultural hijacking - 2 Like(s)
Replying To royaldunne: "So let me get this right, you are happy that you can watch rte gaa sport for free (those of us in 26 actually have to pay for rte tv license) but annoyed that rte block you from seeing soccer as you don't pay for it.
I have no problem if the tv license in north goes directly to rte but it goes to BBC. Stop wanting everything for nothing. And don't give me any gfa nonsense, I very much doubt that who shows games will bring down the agreement. Also here's a thought lobby your local mla and demand (if they ever get their finger out and actually do what they paid for and represent those who foolishly elected them ) that they get bbcni to bid in next round. Or actually go to games instead of watching them on tv paid for by us in the south." What a pathetic partitionist attitude - the Royal is all too appropriate in your username. After what the south did to northern nationalists by abandoning them to unionist domination, the very least that could be done is to ensure that fellow Irish citizens have full access to Irish media without any infantile quibbles about payment.
Then again when you think of the disgraceful Section 31 censorship mentality that permeated RTÉ for so long (and there are still elements of it there - do step forward, Tommie Gorman) they weren't missing much in the North in terms of balanced coverage.
CeachtPeile (National) - 14/01/2018 18:13:56
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Should The Leagues Be Re-Tiered? - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Loughduff Lad: "You see you say this, but where have the vast majority agreed with it? I have just given an example of a scenario that would be fair and equitable. It is based on the latest league, and allows teams the opportunity to move up and down, qualify for Championship, and pit themselves against teams of their own level, and either a level just above or below. Which would help bring teams on. Those example divisions are very fair. I think we all know the reasons you don't want it. As the closed shop at the top suits the few teams. Why would turkeys vote for Christmas? But for the good of the game, something like this needs to happen. Otherwise we go to a 2 tier Championship, and then gap yawns even wider year on year. But the top teams will be ok, right?" I completely disagree with this. The league, as currently structured, is excellent. Every Div. 1 to 3 team is potentially in jeopardy (as shown by Dublin this year, Cavan and Tipp last year and lots of previous examples) and most teams have a reasonable chance of progression.
12 teams change division as opposed to 8 in the 2 x 16 divide so the current 4 x 8 structure is much more fluid and exciting. Teams in positions 7-10, 15-18 and 23-26 change position as opposed to positions 13-20 in the 2 x 16 structure. That structure would mean it would end up like the current Div. 1 hurling league where a significant number of teams would not be in any real danger (probably the top 8 to 10) and the bottom 6 to 8 teams in Div. 2 would have no reasonable chance of getting promoted. So there would be a large number of essentially meaningless (for one team at least) games towards the end of the league and limited interest.
CeachtPeile (National) - 06/04/2022 12:10:53
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Inter-County Football Structure - 1 Like(s)
Replying To legendzxix: " https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/2023-all-ireland-sfc-format-explained/
Game 1: Seed 1 v Seed 3, Seed 2 v Seed 4
Game 2: Seed 3 v Seed 2, Seed 4 v Seed 1
Game 3: Seed 1 v Seed 2, Seed 3 v Seed 4
During the Round One group phase the schedule of matches is pre-determined with each team playing one home and one away game in the opening two rounds. Round Three fixtures will be played at neutral venues.
Seed 1 beats 3 at home and 4 away. Seed 4 beats Seed 2 and Seed 3 beats Seed 2;
Game 3, preliminary quarter-finals and quarter-finals will be on consecutive weekends.
Seed 1 plays Seed 2 in Game 3, Seed 1 has already qualified. Seed 2 has already been eliminated. Will there be a big crowd in a neutral venue or will Seed 1 supporters wait for the quarter-finals?
Seed 3 plays Seed 4 in Game 3. Both have already qualified for the preliminary quarter-finals. The prize is a home draw. Will there be a big crowd in a neutral venue or will supporters wait for the preliminary quarter-finals?" CeachtPeile (National) - 16/03/2023 16:23:20
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We all know where this is headed.... - 1 Like(s)
Replying To uibhfhaili1986: "I love the idea that is being put out there on this thread that criticism of the GAA is suppressed. Numerous writers are criticizing it all the time in the newspapers ,broadcasters are doing the same on TV and Radio.
The melodrama that this very small change has caused is really embarrassing, an awful lot of people are going completely overboard in their criticism of this.
The length of the inter county season was shortened by one change made yesterday which actually is what clubs were looking for .They got what they wanted but apparently they are being ignored.It genuinely doesn't make any sense. It's just another example of Irish people whingeing for the sake of it and we're brilliant at doing that." Totally agree. Insane hysteria with a number of contributors to various fora obviously not even having properly read the proposals. All this talk about money and the GAA and no account being taken of the fact that, with the abolition of most replays and the abandonment of September for inter county football, a large amount of money and promotional opportunities has been forsaken by the GAA.
In fact, this is an extremely risky strategy and one that it's hard to imagine any other major sporting organisation would pursue. Having abandoned September and left it open to other sports to exploit the massive vacuum that will follow, it could be extremely damaging for future development and mean the loss of young people to other sports.
The GAA have now freed up a significant amount of time for club games which is exactly what was being requested and they're still being lambasted. Most counties will have no more games for the rest of the year after June, which is actually crazy when you consider all the effort that's put in in preparation. So there's absolutely no excuse for them not having championships finished.
CeachtPeile (National) - 26/02/2017 15:12:15
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All-Ireland Senior Football Championship 2023 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Aibrean: "Not so.
At the quarter-final stage the four group winners will meet the preliminary quarter-final victors, subject to the avoidance of repeat provincial final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round One." Round 1 is the group stage.
CeachtPeile (National) - 25/06/2023 15:29:29
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CCCC hurling proposals change tier 2 teams status - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Killarney.87: "Soul destroying stuff for Laois, Westmeath, Kerry, Carlow and Antrim.
I think Westmeath are the biggest loser of those five considering their form over the last couple of seasons:
2015 lost by 1-24 to 1-16 to Wexford
2015 Limerick had to dig deep in the second half to beat them
2016 hammered Offaly
2016 lost by 9 to Limerick and closer than the previous year.
2016 beat Kilkenny in the under 21 championship
2017 put it up to Offaly again
2017 gave Tipp the mother and father of all frights in Thurles
2017 put it up to Kilkenny again in the under 21.
Westmeath need more games against Offaly, Tipp, Limerick etc to continue improving.
Just even researching their results you can see the incremental improvement year by year. Their misfortune is that their goalkeeper had an off day against Offaly this year and that is why they are dropping down instead of Offaly. Offaly will get whipped in Leinster next year. Westmeath would have given Dublin and Wexford good games. Sure Kilkenny and Galway have too much for them but that would only have brought the on in the long run." But surely that's good news for the likes of Westmeath. If they're that strong they'll get five games in 2018 in Tier 2, win it and then be competitive in a preliminary quarter final (last 8 of the competition where they haven't got to previously) against, for example, Wexford or Cork. In 2019 they'd then be in Leinster proper with four serious games against top opposition (likely Kilkenny, Galway, Wexford and Dublin). Relegation may well be their lot again that year but what's the alternative - be beaten every year in the first round of Leinster and then in the first round of the qualifiers. This gives them the chance of winning a significant competition (Tier 2) and building up capacity by then playing at a higher level.
CeachtPeile (National) - 01/10/2017 17:27:15
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Upcoming Special Congress - 1 Like(s)
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "100% greengrass option B is just lacking something, imagine if they went to the hurling counties with this proposal where they'd be told to go.
Galway Cork limerick Waterford Tipp from div 1 offaly from div2 kildare from div 3 Sligo and louth to play off in div 3/4 to make the allireland through their league positions.
Clare Kilkenny Wexford Well sorry lads ye finished outside the top 5 so better luck next year.
Your hurling quarter finals could be :
Limerick v winner of Sligo/Louth
Tipp v Offaly
Cork v Waterford
Galway v kildare
Would the hurling counties agree to that?" The hurling counties have already agreed to an equivalent of that with the Joe McDonagh finalists (who would be ranked 12 and 13) going into preliminary quarter finals whereas teams ranked 7 to 11 are eliminated (i.e. the three teams in Munster and the four teams in Leinster that don't qualify from the provincial groups).
CeachtPeile (National) - 13/10/2021 10:51:31
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Leinster Round Robin - 1 Like(s)
Replying To CeachtPeile: "Laois probably have qualified but it's not absolutely certain. See link
It's notable that Westmeath could well qualify having lost two matches (if they beat Meath and Laois beat Kerry). Wait for the outcry when the same thing most likely happens in one of the future Super 8 groups." CeachtPeile (National) - 14/05/2017 20:28:05
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Fairer = more competitive - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Killarney.87: "That's the problem, everything is a money first decision." And what's wrong with the GAA wanting to make money? The accounts are all public and a massively bigger proportion of the funds than in any other sport is put back into the grassroots. Also the cost of tickets is incredibly reasonable compared to others.
What's your alternative - all games to be free or empty grounds with no money coming in? This is an organisation that has just decided to abolish most replays and to foolishly abandon the most high profile month of the year to other sports, which is going to cost it a lot of money. Why would a supposedly money-grabbing organisation do that? And the Super 8 won't compensate for the lost income considering so many of the games will be played outside Croke Park in significantly smaller grounds and the risk that, in the worst case scenario, all four final round games are 'dead rubbers' and will attract small crowds.
CeachtPeile (National) - 28/02/2017 23:36:34
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Padraic Duffy's plan - 1 Like(s)
Replying To s goldrick: "I see what you are saying Ceachtpeile but I don't think that is as serious as my scenario. as 2 teams playing each other have nothing to play for , they are not effecting the integrity of the competition. the 2 other teams who have already qualified are still playing for something. (although I take your point about the possibility of one team trying to lose in order to get an easier draw. Either way , in both of our examples, it shows a flawed system.
Something needs to change before this is implemented or it will become a farce." Yes it's a flawed system in the sense that all round robin groups have the same problems unless each finishing position has a meaning.
The scenario you're referring to arises if the following is the sequence of results:
Donegal beat Dublin
Dublin beat Cork
Donegal beat Monaghan
Monaghan beat Cork
so the table stands as:
Donegal 4
Dublin 2
Monaghan 2
Cork 0
with the final 2 games being:
Dublin v Monaghan
Donegal v Cork.
Then Cork have nothing to play for as even if they beat Donegal they cannot overtake both Dublin and Monaghan as one of them has to move to at least 3 points. The use of head-to-head to separate teams compounds the problem as Donegal cannot be knocked off the top of the group so have nothing really to play for either. If score difference were used at least there'd be a chance of either Dublin or Monaghan topping the group.
CeachtPeile (National) - 30/03/2017 22:42:58
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All-Ireland Senior Football Championship 2023 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Greenfield: "On the draw this morning they said that they won't know until after the games on Sunday whether the draw for the semi-finals is required or not. They said that quarter-final results may mean it is not required.
They said something similar when the Tailteann Cup quarter-finals draw was made.
I get that repeat pairings will be avoided if possible, but I've been trying to come up with a set of results that would mean the draw won't be required. I couldn't see one in the Tailteann fixtures either.
What am I missing here?" If Dublin, Tyrone, Armagh and Derry all qualified then no draw would be required as the only combination that would avoid repeat pairings would be Dublin v Armagh and Tyrone v Derry.
Dublin v Tyrone would be out as Armagh and Derry already met in the Ulster final and Dublin v Derry would be out as Armagh and Tyrone already met in the group phase.
Similarly if it were Mayo instead of Dublin with Tyrone, Armagh and Derry.
CeachtPeile (National) - 26/06/2023 18:06:37
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Best of luck to GAA ladies in RWC - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Greengrass: "The national anthem should be played at home . It's as simple as that ." Totally agree. Shocking and pathetic that it's not. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be played away as well. They're either playing for Ireland or they're not. Give them a different name so if they're not willing to embrace the symbols of the nation.
CeachtPeile (National) - 18/08/2017 14:56:04
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New Proposed Hurling Structure - 1 Like(s)
Interesting proposals that are a definite step forward but there are some problems/queries:
1. There is an imbalance between the provinces meaning that one or maybe two strong Munster teams are going to be eliminated with weaker Leinster teams going through. It means that the best six teams will not be in the knock out stages. This imbalance is recognised by the fact that direct relegation from the qualifier group only happens for Leinster teams.
2. There's going to be a very limited number of games between teams from different provinces. This was one of the benefits of the qualifiers that plenty of these games, giving novel pairings, could occur.
3. Meath are hard done by by being automatically relegated with the losing Ring finalist being promoted. Surely a play off between those two would be fairer.
3. Why are there no semi-finals in the Ring and Rackard cups? With only one team qualifying from each group, it means potentially far more dead rubbers. It would be much better to have two qualifying from each group.
4. Why have Sligo been placed in the Rackard cup? They only came third in the Meagher cup this year and yet they're promoted whereas whichever team of Leitrim and Warwickshire loses the Meagher final won't be promoted.
5. Having only four teams in the Meagher completely devalues it. Would it not have been better to have had six teams in the Rackard and six in the Meagher with each playing five games, the top team getting to the final and second and third playing a semi-final. It's almost like they want to reduce the number of games played by the lower tier teams and finish their season as quickly as possible.
6. It's very odd that the minor and U21 championships are treated differently. Why not have Galway in Leinster for the minor?
CeachtPeile (National) - 06/06/2017 20:10:51
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Ulster Championship 2021 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Lockjaw: "Yeah I've seen a couple of different versions of what the semi final draw might be but surely the one in the Ulster GAA website is the right one?
That has:
Down/Donegal vs Derry
Tyrone v Cavan
Armagh vs Antrim
Fermanagh vs Monaghan" Ah yes, thanks, you're right - hadn't seen that one. Curtains for Cavan so!
CeachtPeile (National) - 21/04/2021 17:00:32
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Monaghan V Kerry - 1 Like(s)
Replying To IrishGael3: "Think the second and third games of the Super 8s will prove to be the best and this one is going to be a cracker - if Kerry lose they're out and to go to monaghan to play a battle hardened team in their own patch I think is going to be very tough. Kerry have a great future but think their young guns will come a cropper against the experience of the Farney men." Kerry aren't necessarily out if they lose. If the following sequence of results happen:
Monaghan beat Kerry; Kildare beat Galway; Monaghan beat Galway and Kerry beat Kildare then the table would finish as:
Monaghan 6
Kerry 2
Galway 2
Kildare 2
with score difference determining second place.
CeachtPeile (National) - 18/07/2018 12:46:15
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All Ireland SFC And Tailteann Cup 2023 Clarity - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Bawner: "As things stand, for any given year, only the 8 division 1 teams and top 3 in division 2 are guaranteed places in the All Ireland series. Tailteann cup winners take a 12th slot and the 4 provincial finalists also guaranteed a spot. So potentially 5 teams from Div3/4 can leapfrog teams in division 2.
For avoidance of doubt, teams promoted from Div 3 outrank teams relegated from Div 2. This was evidenced last season where Offaly and Down (relegated) played in Tailteann while Limerick and Louth (promoted) played in Sam Maguire.
We already know that either Sligo or NY will get a spot in All Ireland, and either Clare or Limerick (who were both relegated to Division 3) will get a spot from Munster final. So that leaves 2 spots to be filled. Current ranking for those 2 spots is as follows:
Cork
Kildare
Meath
Cavan
Fermanagh
Using rankings only
The only way Meath/Cavan/Fermanagh will get to play in Sam Maguire is to get to their provincial final. If one of them does, then that bumps Kildare down to Tailteann (unless Kildare also get to Leinster final). If either of Kildare or Meath get to Leinster final AND Cavan, Fermanagh or Down get to Ulster final, then both those finalists leapfrog Cork, who would then play in the Tailteann.
Westmeath
If Westmeath get to the Leinster final, then that frees up another spot from Division 2, because the Tailteann cup winner spot becomes irrelevant. If Kildare are not the other Leinster finalist, it would guarantee Cork's place in the All Ireland. It It could also clear the way for both Kildare and Meath to qualify without having to get to the Leinster final, if things go their way in Ulster." This is wrong on two fronts.
(1) There are only seven places guaranteed from the league each year (the first six teams in Division 1 and the Division 2 winner). There are eight places allocated to the provincial finalists and one to the Tailteann Cup winners.
(2) Westmeath qualifying for the Leinster final would have no effect other than changing Westmeath's seeding pot from pot 4 to pots 1 or 2. It does not create an extra qualifying slot as Westmeath have already qualified.
The only option for Meath is to qualify for a Leinster final. If that happens then Kildare are in danger unless they also qualify for a Leinster final. If that were to happen then Cork are out of Sam. If, on top of that, Cavan or Down qualified for the Ulster final then Louth would be out. In the unlikely event of Fermanagh also qualifying for the Ulster final, then Donegal would be next to be out. In the exceedingly unlikely event of Tipperary beating Kerry then Armagh would be next to go. Derry, who would be next in line to be out, are guaranteed a Sam spot as either Galway or Roscommon from Division 1 will be a provincial finalist.
CeachtPeile (National) - 11/04/2023 17:06:04
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