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Are they just doin 1st round,and then 2nd round 4 days before the game

CR7 (Cavan) - Posts: 125 - 10/04/2017 13:19:44    1977931

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Replying To CR7:  "Are they just doin 1st round,and then 2nd round 4 days before the game"
Yeah just your fitst game.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 10/04/2017 13:39:33    1977950

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Let's see how smooth that runs.."
There's hardly too much to pulling names from a hat????

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 10/04/2017 13:40:14    1977951

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "There's hardly too much to pulling names from a hat????"
You'd think not but best to get a negative post in case there's a "I told you so" afterwards.

Skelling (USA) - Posts: 289 - 10/04/2017 14:31:27    1977995

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Gaels Lacken the pick of senior champ draw.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 10/04/2017 21:38:55    1978164

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "Yeah just your fitst game."
4 days ?? That should give a team plenty of time to prepare tactics wise!
Who came up with that brainwave?
Your training to play a team but you don't know what team?

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 11/04/2017 10:10:16    1978241

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "4 days ?? That should give a team plenty of time to prepare tactics wise!
Who came up with that brainwave?
Your training to play a team but you don't know what team?"
Why couldn't they set out the entire format and route each team would take!?

If it were to lump, say, gaels, Ramor, kingscourt, castlerahan, on one side of the draw, most teams on the opposite side would fancy their chances of making a final.

It can't be that hard and would leave no room for ambiguity later in the season and appeals from teams when results don't go their way as seen in previous years.

Suddenly you'll see teams and supporters going to games where their club will face the winner, managers sending cameramen to games, etc. It would improve the tactical coaching side of just about every club and in turn the players.

The standard of club football in Cavan isn't what it was but the interest is still there - there were twice as many people at the drawn final last year as there were at Dundalk's title deciding game on the same weekend. If it were run that little bit more professionally it would enhance it even further.

Seriously, it's simple simple stuff!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5016 - 11/04/2017 10:21:48    1978248

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "4 days ?? That should give a team plenty of time to prepare tactics wise!
Who came up with that brainwave?
Your training to play a team but you don't know what team?"
Same for both teams. Might make for attacking football because teams won't have much opportunity to plan to nullify the opposition.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 11/04/2017 10:45:58    1978268

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Why couldn't they set out the entire format and route each team would take!?

If it were to lump, say, gaels, Ramor, kingscourt, castlerahan, on one side of the draw, most teams on the opposite side would fancy their chances of making a final.

It can't be that hard and would leave no room for ambiguity later in the season and appeals from teams when results don't go their way as seen in previous years.

Suddenly you'll see teams and supporters going to games where their club will face the winner, managers sending cameramen to games, etc. It would improve the tactical coaching side of just about every club and in turn the players.

The standard of club football in Cavan isn't what it was but the interest is still there - there were twice as many people at the drawn final last year as there were at Dundalk's title deciding game on the same weekend. If it were run that little bit more professionally it would enhance it even further.

Seriously, it's simple simple stuff!"
Agree it would give teams and coaches something to work on .
Even the Ulster championship draw is make to finish so each county knows who they required to beat to even get near a final.
What harm can calling the full draw do?
It's lucky bay stuff now the way they doing it?
And if a game is delayed or replayed does that hold up the draw too?
Can clubs not speak to each other .. get proper motions before the annual convention and get things done and played they way the majority want .. not the way the same 1 or 2 officers decide between themselves.
Simple elementary stuff.. make the draws from start to finish and let teams go away and plan their championship.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 11/04/2017 11:25:41    1978291

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Agree it would give teams and coaches something to work on .
Even the Ulster championship draw is make to finish so each county knows who they required to beat to even get near a final.
What harm can calling the full draw do?
It's lucky bay stuff now the way they doing it?
And if a game is delayed or replayed does that hold up the draw too?
Can clubs not speak to each other .. get proper motions before the annual convention and get things done and played they way the majority want .. not the way the same 1 or 2 officers decide between themselves.
Simple elementary stuff.. make the draws from start to finish and let teams go away and plan their championship."
If a game is a draw you get a point.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 11/04/2017 12:56:20    1978340

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "If a game is a draw you get a point."
Well when I goes to knockout you will hardly get a point?

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 11/04/2017 13:38:00    1978370

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "Well when I goes to knockout you will hardly get a point?"
Sure replays are par for the course then.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 11/04/2017 13:54:22    1978379

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Well lads, just seen the Cavan SFC draw there on shannonside... do ye do it straight knockout up there. I see one club has a bye in the first round.

Be interested to know how ye manage yere main competition as Cavan GAA has been thriving in recent years at county level

Cheers

Dodgy_Pass (Leitrim) - Posts: 374 - 11/04/2017 14:02:38    1978387

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Replying To Dodgy_Pass:  "Well lads, just seen the Cavan SFC draw there on shannonside... do ye do it straight knockout up there. I see one club has a bye in the first round.

Be interested to know how ye manage yere main competition as Cavan GAA has been thriving in recent years at county level

Cheers"
No club has a bye. It's a new system this year. All 14 teams in a league and play four randomly drawn fixtures. Top 8 make quarters.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 11/04/2017 14:23:47    1978399

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Replying To Dodgy_Pass:  "Well lads, just seen the Cavan SFC draw there on shannonside... do ye do it straight knockout up there. I see one club has a bye in the first round.

Be interested to know how ye manage yere main competition as Cavan GAA has been thriving in recent years at county level

Cheers"
Well we don't manage our club championships very well. We kinda make it up as we go along.
Hence our senior clubs had no success at Ulster level.
Club players and club football don't get a look in when it comes to wrapping up our extended county panel in cotton wool.
I can see it coming to the stage if Ramor or Gaels or any other Club get Serious about wanting to progress in Cavan or Ulster county players will end up not playing County football in order to progress with their clubs.
The club championship be it the Ulster or the All Ireland is fast becoming one of the most prestigious competitions.
County football is becoming a bore with backdoors, super8s plus the demands on players time don't justify the rewards for a county like Cavan

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 11/04/2017 14:51:54    1978421

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "No club has a bye. It's a new system this year. All 14 teams in a league and play four randomly drawn fixtures. Top 8 make quarters."
And is the too 8 decided on scoring averages? Playoffs? Or alphabetical order???

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 11/04/2017 15:06:52    1978429

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Ramor Cavan Gaels Castlerahan Kingscourt and Lacken (5th) are a cut above the other nine teams in Senior. Rest are all equal enough as well will be tight to see who makes up QF draw and who goes down. Luck of the draw I suppose

gowna02 (Cavan) - Posts: 99 - 11/04/2017 16:09:46    1978476

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "And is the too 8 decided on scoring averages? Playoffs? Or alphabetical order???"
Can't remember was it scoring average or scoring difference in intermediate.

On another note do you ever have anything positive or non argumentative to say?

Every single topic you have a chip on your shoulder about it. Do you get out of bed to be offended or annoyed.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 11/04/2017 16:48:30    1978506

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "Can't remember was it scoring average or scoring difference in intermediate.

On another note do you ever have anything positive or non argumentative to say?

Every single topic you have a chip on your shoulder about it. Do you get out of bed to be offended or annoyed."
What's positive to say about the Senior Championship set up?
Are you happy with the structure of it?
Are you happy in general with the club structure and how clubs and club players are treated?

Are you happy with our u21 performance and the holding back of u21s from the senior squad?

Are you happy with our league performances ? Did we do ourselves justice?
Can you see improvement from last year?

I answer no to all those questions therefore it's difficult to be positive.

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 11/04/2017 17:42:22    1978526

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "What's positive to say about the Senior Championship set up?
Are you happy with the structure of it?
Are you happy in general with the club structure and how clubs and club players are treated?

Are you happy with our u21 performance and the holding back of u21s from the senior squad?

Are you happy with our league performances ? Did we do ourselves justice?
Can you see improvement from last year?

I answer no to all those questions therefore it's difficult to be positive."
it is hard to find a perfect structure, at least they are willing to change & try out different proposals. Some people will never be pleased. If we had a say for example, a Crossmaglen scenario where one club team was dominating year on year, no matter what the structure was - people would be whinging that it is not competitive, structure is desperate bla bla.

Is any club in ireland happy with how their players are treated ? Obv not or the CPA would not of been set up. So it is not just a Cavan issue.

Our U21's got a hiding at that grade, so bringing them into the senior squad would of benefited how ? If they don't cut it at their own grade, what makes you think they would of made the Senior panel stronger. Leave them at their own age group for the time being. Derry got annihilated also by Donegal. Perhaps Donegal is a very good team & we are not as strong as previous years.

The senior team performances were inconsistent, which was frustrating to say the least. But they are playing at a much higher level than last year, where every error is punished - so it is hard to compare apples with apples. But yes, there are elementary mistakes being made game by game by both player & management that need to be cut out or we will never proceed to the next level. We have had numerous players unavailable from last years panel for a variety of reasons & a number of injuries during certain games which have not helped our cause. We have a small pool of players & need them all fit & healthy to be competitive no matter what trophy we are aiming for.

Have you tried to propose any ideas through your club, and be constructive, or do you just come on here & look for the negative & argue about every scenario? You have all the questions about what is wrong, raise your solutions, get involved, do a coaching course, become a club delegate & make change if you are so passionate about same.

just_the_facts (Cavan) - Posts: 163 - 12/04/2017 08:18:19    1978660

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