How do you pick yourself up after a display like that?
Killian Clarke obviously made the right decision,maybe he knew something we didn't !
Any word on Dunne?
Another master class by Armagh at stirring it up and we fell for it hook line and sinker.
Hopefully we're not burnt out.
This will be a strong test of management skills!

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 08/06/2014 19:09:17    1600049

this is a massive step back...management have a lot to answer for as that performance was one of the worst ive seen in a long long time.
Tactically we were destroyed why do we persist in this slow build up play. it doesn't work. why were certain players on the field i wont name names we all know who. . We seem afraid to change things.
A dark day for cavan football. They were stronger and smarter. are management able to take us to the next level?

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 194 - 08/06/2014 19:20:25    1600068

We'll only teams we can get are Clare or Waterford, Meath or Carlow, Leitrim,down, Louth and losers of Monaghan v tyron let's see who we get in the draw tommorow morning

Cavan_COYBIB (Cavan) - Posts: 62 - 08/06/2014 19:28:24    1600079

Hard to believe what happened today. All last years optimism and the confidence gained from yet another u21 title and to turn out such a performance was unbelievable. First and foremost, the brawl before the game was disgrace. It was premeditated by the Armagh camp and tried to lay down and early marker. Severe and lengthy bans should be handed out to the players responsible as this has no place on any football field. It was a major blow to lose Dunne in the fracas that ensued. For the game itself, Cavan started well and showed well for the ball. Two early frees settled the nerves and I expected Cavan to kick on. Moving Givney in to the square didn't work. Mid way through the first half he resumed normal service around the middle but the Cavan lads weren't ready for the breaks. Cavans defence was terrible. McLaughlin was poor, dunne was always behind, Clarke was found out with McEnroe the only man showing any hunger to get to the ball first. Gunner is not a natural footballer and having him around the middle was madness. Bringing Mooney on made no difference but Makaay showed well and pushed Cavan forward at the beginning of the second half. J Brady was poor also. Keating thinks he can score from everywhere. It certainly feels like one step forward and two steps back. Armagh did to us what we were doing to teamsl last year. The score line could have read 4-20 to 1-9 if Armagh had brought there shooting boots. #thefutureisnotblue if we play this style.

waynerooney11 (Cavan) - Posts: 142 - 08/06/2014 19:41:13    1600091

Certainly did not see that coming. Absolutely shocked by both the performance and the mass brawl at the start. Dreadful day for Cavan football, we'll surely get a raft of suspensions once the GAA investigate!!

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 08/06/2014 19:47:35    1600096

We need to get rid of this slow ponderous build up of looking to left and right when where in their end of the field and head straight for goal all Martin Reilly and co wanted to do was keep possision and turning left and right instead of running at goal we need to scrap this to defensive game we have what concerns me is we got bet by a team relegated to division 3 and we go prompted and we where second best in every possision especially midfield what worrys me is they where one of the worst in division 2 and we got we'll bet could it be we go straight back down to division 3 next year hopefully we get a favourable draw tomorrow to lift the mood cause it's feels like there something not right and where slowely going back awards

Cavan_COYBIB (Cavan) - Posts: 62 - 08/06/2014 20:02:26    1600110

couldnt see a lot of the brawl so not sure whoo started what or even who was involved it was an awful display thought our midfield and full forward line very slow to react flannigan just not with it today thought gilsenan pulled off a couple of great saves and at times looked looked like the only one wanting to play no one looking for the ball at all

cavan.wanderer (Cavan) - Posts: 82 - 08/06/2014 21:02:41    1600179

DID NT SEE IT COMMING WHAT A LAUGH

jfkcavan (Cavan) - Posts: 315 - 08/06/2014 21:04:25    1600182

Where to from here? Well now that is the question.

At underage the last few years have been great. 4 Ulster u21 titles in a row. Throw in a minor title in 2011. Brilliant stuff and a great cause for optimism. But in my opinion this "the future is blue" thing is doing us no favours, and its trotted out regurlarly in association with Cavan football. Perhaps we in Cavan are under the illusion that all we have to do is wait a few years until the u21's mature a bit and everything will be great and success is inevitable. Well thats not how it works. Hard work and desire make a good senior team. Today we had neither.

In addition, I think the style of football, this "black death" system, is hindering our progress. Cavan players are reluctant to take on opposition players. Backwards, sideways, backwards, sideways, and then lose it. That was our pattern of play today. Our build up play is labourious and slow. The difference between us and Armagh was that Armagh packed the defence and then broke out at pace once we aimlessly kicked the ball in. In comparison, we worked the ball up to the 45 and then stopped, and began passing it around. I think we'll have to abandon this style of football, it has brought us this far i.e. division 2, but we will get no further with it and we're doing ourselves no favours. Time to go back to a more conventional style of play.

I think the alarm bells were ringing after the league final. We were cruising in that game and then threw it away. Today we looked devoid of ideas, and the players did not look up for it, no motivation, and no leaders out there to lift things when we were crying out for a boost. Was painfully depressing stuff to watch for supporters.

Going forward we have serious questions to answer. We have made obvious progress, but it has ground to a halt, and we're beginning to falter, and it is worse we're getting in the last 2 games.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 08/06/2014 21:16:11    1600193

I saw it coming especially after the Ros game! Time hyland took the blinkers off and buried the hatchet with the best forward in the county who was sitting in the house and the 2nd best forward on current for o Connor . Play the game terry!

dirtybag (Cavan) - Posts: 242 - 08/06/2014 21:31:59    1600212

Just watching Kildare here on the Sunday game and I'm wondering, why can't we play like that???

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 08/06/2014 21:55:32    1600248

hold on a minute here!!! we have a lot of hypocrites on this page... in previous posts the vast majority of bloggers have been PRAISING terry, the players and the STYLE OF FOOTBALL..however once we were found out and beaten by armagh ye bloggers are suddenly calling for terrys head and a change in style of play!! hahaha..our expectations were raised TOO high from last year with a lot of people even quoting that 'Cavan will win ulster this year'. fact is lads we are and never will be good enough! when it comes to a heated hard hitting game its boys vs men, with cavan being the boys! our style of play is terrible, we lack all round physicality, we are too slow to release the ball, we play favorited players instead of good all round players! maybe it was just an off day but cavan need a serious rethink in terms of a more attacking style of football

i.am.legend (UK) - Posts: 41 - 09/06/2014 08:37:56    1600271

waynerooney11

Our defence was far from terrible especially in the first half where we restricted Armagh to long range shooting and they were truly awful at it. To go in losing by 5 points to two at half time with your midfield and forwards having created just 5 (yes five) chances in the first half was a spectacular performance by the defence. We fell apart late on when Alan Clarke went off but at that stage the game was over.

At the far end of the pitch we were a disgrace, no shape, no plan, no discipline it was aimless awful stuff made worse by strange team selection. Yes we were missing Clarke, Dunne and Mackey (arguably our three most important players) but the basics were not there.

By the way (and it's no excuse for how bad we were) special mention must go to the Armagh tactics of taking out Cavan's best players, yes Keating was stupid to fall for the constant abuse he was taking and the persistent fouling of Mackey when he came on was surely directed by the Armagh bench. They shipped two yellow cards and a Red for fouls on Mackey and the one time he got away from them he scored, if they prosper this summer from that type of football it'll be sad to see.

cavandub (Cavan) - Posts: 67 - 09/06/2014 09:32:18    1600316

cavandub

I agree 100% with your assessment of the game.

The defence was under constant pressure and backs were far more exposed in one to one situations than usual because our sweeper system was a shambles and we had no Mackey to dictate around the middle third and no Dunne to feed of the few scraps that were going. Our backs stood up well in my opinion particularly James McEnroe.

Maybe it's just as well we got shown up for our poor quality midfield play and our lateral forward play and slow movement; some of the passes were unbelievably bad. Just in case anyone has forgotten we were doing this against Sligo and Longford in the league as well and neither of them were putting us under the pressure that Armagh did yesterday. In both those games we eventually woke up and realised that we could easily lose them and our chances of promotion. We began to play faster more direct football and in 10 minutes we had turned those games around. Same story with the U-21s in the Ulster Final - when the chips were down we upped it several gears and this has been pointed out by several Donegal posters.

Now that we're facing Westmeath it's time to give the team a chance to move on their game to something more pacy and direct. We're not going anywhere much this year in the Championship and the thought of having to watch another 70 minutes of the slow waltz around Breffni Park is not something I'm relishing.

Does anyone know how Dunne got the injury? I've watched the video several times and he's not involved in anything that I could see and was taking his place in the line for the parade when it broke out again.

RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 09/06/2014 12:13:13    1600508

Where to from here indeed. The first thing needed is to dispel a few self-delusions. Top of this list is wallowing in the belief that we were somehow wronged in the fight at the start. Armagh knew exactly what they were at- right or wrong- but were far too clever for a few riled-up Cavan lads who took the bait and, if we are honest, started the shoving match. Watching Ciaran McKeever in the parade, jawing at his own players, he knew that Armagh had seized the psychological edge even then and wanted to drive it home. Can you imagine how the stand in Breffni would have reacted if someone like Meath or Monaghan tried and failed to budge a Cavan team from their spot? We would have loved every bit of it!
Second, Cavan's discipline was awful yesterday- not just with off-the-ball niggling but also in terms of application to the game. Big names getting involved in stupid stuff and not looking after their main responsibilities. I hate to say it but it looks like we have one or two who will go missing when the heat really comes on.
Inconvenient truth no.3 is the state of midfield. I had misgivings about the named pair to start with, especially GMKs ability to push through 70 mins of hard graft. But the clean-out yesterday was worse than all that. To be fair, a lot if it was down to clever blocking by the Armagh half-backs but nobody from Cavan stood up to this.
And finally, the growing illusion of a depth in the panel was exposed yesterday. Huge losses in Dunne, Mackey and Clarke, but when you looked to the bench for some character to step up it was all a bit underwhelming.
Today will the most negative one that all Blues will have felt for quite a while. Maybe that is no bad thing, because a reality check was maybe needed after all. Terry Hyland and Co. have managed to do really good things with a bunch of very willing and committed lads. That has not changed after 1 game. Agree with some other posters who said we should ditch this 'future is blue' rubbish, stop dreaming and get back to work

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 09/06/2014 17:16:36    1600944

Thought James Mc Enroe superb, should be considered for midfield

shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 09/06/2014 18:26:14    1601002

Madgeking

Your post is spot on. I feel you have hit the nail on the head in all your points. Honest appraisal of where our county team is and some of the players on it is needed big time. As seen on sunday last reputation alone will not give you a good performance. Too many of them went missing.

offtheditch (Cavan) - Posts: 157 - 10/06/2014 08:24:14    1601171

Rumour has it the management have lost the dressing room so only a matter of time. Sad times again for Cavan football. Good footballers on the bench watching the managers and selectors play the old favourites trick. And we thought we had made progress.

cfsm2012 (Cavan) - Posts: 76 - 10/06/2014 17:01:49    1601638

Last thing we need are more rumours,
Things are bad enough. We need to pick ourselves up and support the team in the next game.
Were all great at running with the hare and hunting with the hounds.
The big question continues is, where are the scores going to come from?
If we beat Westmeath,which is not set in stone we'll all be great supporters again.
I've been following Cavan for 35 years and have seen many ups and downs.
Still supporting them and always will !!!!!

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 10/06/2014 18:41:25    1601714

Think we are all in agreement - this crab style football is getting us nowhere - thing is are some of the players so used to it at this stage that they are incapable of changing - i hope not. Lets not forget that individually these players . give or take one or two are the best in the county ( and as good as there are in many counties ) and obviously the most dedicated . However at the momment the team is far less than the total of its parts whereas it should be the other way around.In my opinion too much tactics,analysis and over-management is part of the problem leaving the players afraid to express themselves individually. As i said before let the defenders defend then release the forwards and midfielders to attack with pace and straight-running. its simple but really how could it be any worse than the present system. Lets hope we learn before its too late for everyone involved. I think we can and hopefully it will be a long summer.

tenyearplan (Cavan) - Posts: 147 - 10/06/2014 20:05:41    1601776