sharkusmaximus
County: Cavan
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seanorinn
County: Cavan
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Should he stay at home with no income he made the correct decision GAA is an amateur sport he will get no income from staying at home. I applaud his decision for there is nothing for these players this side of the water. Maybe he feels there is not a lot going to happen this year and is taking this opportunity to get a few bob this year. I would say it was a very hard call for him and he has made it and it say's a lot for the character of the person that he was able to make this call. I wish him well. The county team is not one person but a panel of players.

How do you know he has no income? That can't be speculated. For all we know it could be driven by a wish to see the scenery? Wanderlust if you will. The assumption that this is money driven can't be made. It doesn't take too much character to turn your back on your county in what could be a big year for us.

Maybe not money maybe touring he made the right call as far as I am concerned. He was going last year he stayed at home and gave his time to his club and county, he decided to go this year and rightly so, I am confused by your sentence It doesn't take too much character to turn your back on your county in what could be a big year for us.
Reminds me When Cahill Brady & Johnston I stand corrected with the names did it and were informed you will never kick a ball again while I am manager what a laugh. Amateurs for christ sake if professionals well a different story.

Not this year fella maybe in three years time when Clarke will be a far better player that is off course if he is not burnt out by then.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 14/05/2014 20:05:45    1587773

good on him.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 14/05/2014 21:59:32    1587831

As far as I'm concerned Killian Clarke owes nothing to anybody, club, county or supporters. He gave us 4 great seasons of success at Minor and Under 21. The same applies to the other lads who may be heading off. It's been four years of high intensity stuff and several heart-breaking defeats. If they need a break then it's well deserved. Anyway there's not much on offer for our talented young people around here at the moment is there?

RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 15/05/2014 10:04:53    1587862

No one is obliged to play football for their county but no one is put under any illusions either . The county team is not some drop in shelter where you can come and go as you please . When you come in in January it is taken as an unwritten rule that you are in it for the entire year (however long that may be) . If you think you may not be around for the summer management deserve to know and at least make educated decisions regarding squad development , planning and trimming , McKenna cup team selections etc . If people drop out in May how can you expect other players that were cut a month or two previously to be drafted in and brought up to speed for championship . It's also a slap in the face to the other panel members who have also given up their time and energy and made huge sacrifices . A lot of time , money and resources is put into the county team from all concerned and this should be respected . Again I don't know the full details - it may only be rumour or management may have been aware of this for some time but if I were Terry and someone dropped out three weeks before championship without any prior inclination I would be seriously unimpressed .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 15/05/2014 11:28:53    1587915

http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2014/05/14/4030236-blow-as-clarke-could-be-usbound-for-summer/

Sounds like all the lad needs is a job for the summer and he'll stay. Hopefully someone got sort him out. It certainly not a problem Dublin would have.

No matter what posters try to dress this up it will be a major blow to our championship aspirations if he goes.

Breffniman1 (Cavan) - Posts: 25 - 15/05/2014 12:04:05    1587946

Hardtimes
County: Cavan
Posts: 104
your unwritten rule leaves a lot to be desired !! Lads joining the paneldo so with good intensions but lets be clear on a few things -
Life changes and if a players circumstances change he can pull out to suit himself be it family, health , study or work. Lets face it, the county team are quick to dismiss you when youre not needed so every player should look after no 1 - themselves !!
Their playing career is short and the GAA will not pay your wages so if there is a job on offer anywhere in the world why shouldnt a player take it. He is not contracted ot the team and is a free agent
Why commit, give up his life and opportunities and maybe find himself dropped by championship. Dam right he should go and i'd tell any other player the same,
bust his ass to be dropped or have people on these forums redicule them for a bad performance.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 15/05/2014 13:02:52    1587993

Fair enough a player wanting to go away for the summer but throwing this up a couple if weeks before the championship shows a total disrespect for his team mates.if it is true and i was in his team i would let him know.this is the type of thing that plagued our senior team for years and i finally thought we had progressed!!!

eyeball (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 15/05/2014 13:03:01    1587994

eyeball
County: Cavan
Posts: 63
see, once again you are making judgements without knowing the facts. Who'd be a county player !!!!
Maybe he was looking for a job and only got this offer recently. Have you tried getting a summer job??? Its impossible and if the county board want lads to commit they should do something about it.
Dublin wont have this issue as one poster rightly commented.
The lad is right - take his job, further his career because in a few years the county wont want him and he may have jeprodised his career for nothing.
The glory and honour wont put money in your pocket. The glory and honour will count for nothing because outside the gaa community in cavan the vast majority of these players are unknown.
Anyway the glory and honour wont count for much if they have no job experience, no qualifications, no prospects.
Lets remember this - GAA is a past time, a hobbly, something you do for enjoyment in your spare time. It should not dictate your life and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool in my opinion.
Like any job, you are only a number on the county panel and they will dispose of you when you are of no use to them. The lad is right to go and if anyone else gets a job offer be it here or abroad, take it, dont put your life or career on hold. You'll only regret it in later years

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 15/05/2014 14:24:27    1588065

StirringIt , that's exactly the kind of attitude that is not needed in any team . No one is saying it's a cake walk committing to county football . It's tough but it is what it is , no one is under any illusions , if you think you can't commit then don't . Everyone of the 30 plus panel is making the same sacrifices not to mention management . It would be a serious lack of respect to team mates to be paying lip service about commitment all the while hedging your bets and jumping ship at first opportunity .
That statement is not directed at anyone in particular nor am I saying it applies to this situation , it's just a general statement of what is required when committing at the start of the year . Of course circumstances change and everyone must look after themselves but what exactly would a student know now that he wouldn't have known in January . He's skint , knows that he can travel to America in the summer if he so wishes - just mention to management that education is the priority for this year and that travel to the States in May is a very big possibility - very simple and courteous , no one put out . Again I'm not directing this at anyone and accept that this may in fact have happened in this case . I just find it a bit cringe worthy people saying players should be congratulated if they leave the panel 3 weeks before championship while previous panellists have been ridiculed on here for a perceived lack of commitment .
As regards to players being dropped for not making the cut , I don't know what to say to this . If you can't handle rejection there's a lot of things in life you shouldn't try .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 15/05/2014 14:53:32    1588089

10,000 plus a job and flights would be quite hard to resist in fairness

BootIt (Cavan) - Posts: 136 - 15/05/2014 15:29:10    1588123

BootIt
County: Cavan
Posts: 60

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10,000 plus a job and flights would be quite hard to resist in fairness

mmm ! 10,000 plus job and flights versus dole for the summer !!! NO CONTEST !!
Lets be realistic here - I'm not being negetive but cant see us getting any further than an Ulster semi this year. THIS YEAR !!
Tyrone will take an injury hit Monaghan and will be too strong for us this year - THIS YEAR !!!
When we go out of Ulster there will be an exedus from the panel to the USA as in fairness we have'nt got what it takes to win SAM - Any young lad would jump at the terms suggested here.
Who could blame them.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 15/05/2014 16:50:57    1588186

It can be guaranteed that this would not be an issue if GAA was a paid professional sport with a calendar year that is somewhat sane.

Some people just don't understand the commitment that comes with playing at county level. It affects everything, your family, your life, your job, your ability to meet up with friends from outside GAA, and the ability to travel.

It is a ridiculous situation where players are berated for making a once in a lifetime choice to go and live a little after giving so much of their lives to play for club and county. Players spend 7 days a week training and travelling in order to fulfill their commitment to their club and county, the last thing that should happen is being berated for wanting a bit of a break, especially after enduring a tough league, u21, sigerson, club u21, club intermediate championship, club division 3 league and the stress of getting through college and the exams.

I for one would be happy for Killian to go and experience something different, he deserves it for his service to the blue jersey thus far. Shame on anybody who thinks otherwise.

MikePattonIsGod (Cavan) - Posts: 14 - 15/05/2014 17:34:39    1588216

mikepattonisgod

ere ere - well said

sharkusmaximus
County: Cavan
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He's a huge loss to the panel. It sickens me to think that a decision like this could be made with so little care for what it'll do to his club and county teams, as well as the supporters morale. Does anyone know what part he's going to?

you really need to get a life !!! If he was injured and not available the show would go on - the show will still go on - though we had a great panel !!
He's right to go, earn some money, experience life and enjoy himself. I'd advise any other young lad to do the same

We're not going to win Ulster or Sam this year - THIS YEAR - so he's dead right to go. Club football is in a shambles thanks to the new leagues so little to look forward to - not being pesimistic - realistic !!!

Remember most of these lads have a 12 month sporting year - College, U21, club, McKenna cup, league, club leagues, championship, club chaampionship and back into college ball again -- GAA is a past time, not a lively hood but we demand them to behave and train like professionals -for what ??
Redicule by supporters on an off day, abused by supporters for taking a break, and whats at the end of it all - nothing !!!

Giving up your life, especially the formative years, will not advance your career or pay the bills.
There are more importnt things in life than football. Some day you might be lucky enough to realise that.

Go West young man - Go West !!!! or even East or South - but while you can - GO !!!!

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 15/05/2014 18:28:01    1588240

Killian is doing the right thing if he decides to go as he will regret it if he doesent thats for sure.... He is our best player yet was not started in the league final and now Hyland is trying to persuade him to stay at home,,,,get a grip.. He should be wishing him well and thanking him for his great committment ...not trying to hold him back...!!!

Sean66 (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 15/05/2014 19:04:16    1588258

There is a reason the u21s didn't start in the league final - maybe you should get your facts right

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 15/05/2014 20:42:04    1588309

That's a fairly tempting package alright but it's a fairly standard one for a good footballer . Lots of lads could probably get something similar and would be aware of this from January . January is the time to tell management and team mates that you're thinking of going to the states , not three weeks before championship . County football is a huge commitment for all concerned and everyone deserves to be going into it with their eyes open . You can talk all you want about the injustices of the situation and the sacrifices made but that's the nature of the beast - it takes a special breed . Plenty of club footballers have headed state side for the summer as well but most of the club managers would have been aware of it from start of year .
If he goes he goes , you can't stop the lad and good luck to him . But it's not the ideal preparation for an Ulster championship . And people encouraging other players to do the same is nonsense - it's the very antithesis of what is required to be a successful county team . These same people will have the knives out when we lose . As for writing a year off before it starts I can only say that next year doesn't exist in football . The ones who talk about next year are the very ones who will go missing when the heat gets too much next year . And they'll still be talking about next year next year .
Head West is it StirringIt , or East or South? Tell us, were you so magnanimous with the last young Cavan lad who decided to head South?

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 16/05/2014 12:18:40    1588506

Agree with Hardtimes here, Wish Killian the best of luck for the summer but hope he had made his position clear long before this to Terry & Co, and not just a few weeks before championship. It would have given management and players time to prepare.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 16/05/2014 14:20:14    1588571

Any player young enough that gets this opportunity should get full support from everyone you are only young once. Some go never come back with anything others go and have a nice nest egg to help them during their studies.
Anyone regardless of what county he plays for should go if offered the opportunity.
K Clarke will be a stronger player next year and the year after and if he decides to carry on playing he will have no problems walking onto the 30 player panel. He is right to go and any other player that gets the chance should go also.
Just remember this also players know their panels limits and may feel they have got all they are going to get this which is promotion and maybe two or three more matches then season over at inter-county level.
I know the work they put in and I know how many feel and should more than young Clarke wish to go I say go for it and enjoy your youth. Greedy supporters get under my skin and many don't see anything other than they should not go its your duty to play because we want you such a load of Bo****ks they owe no one anything no one at all.
Young Clarke was going last year remember he stayed back so he knows what he is doing and good luck to him and any other one that wants to go.
I feel sorry for the other 15 players that sit on the subs bench if they read this topic for many are saying they are not good enough and are just making up numbers.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 16/05/2014 16:02:41    1588647

Look Lads, the same thing happens every year with the speculation. Plenty of the lads got offers last year and I am sure this year too, yet they stayed because the Co. Board managed to arrange Summer work. In this case, good luck Killian, you are a great player and will be sorely missed, but I have a feeling all this is because the Celt was stuck for a headline!

Gaelsman (Cavan) - Posts: 12 - 16/05/2014 17:06:58    1588682

Don't get your point Sean . Everyone is making the same commitment and everyone is free to go where they like but there must be clarity from the off when so much combined effort is put into the setup . Very simple concept .
You cannot just ignore the investment put into a county setup either and there must be commitment . God forbid some Cavan player breaks a leg or does a cruciate first game they are involved in over the water . Who picks up the tab ? Who pays for the specialists later on in the year ? The physios ? The nutritionists ? The gym memberships ? The mileage ? Who gets these players back on their feet ?
You ask us to spare a thought for the other lads on the squad . Someone is going to have to fill in and someone will be drafted into the panel if you have players leave . What will you say to these lads next January when we have a full squad again ? " Oh yeah! About last year , thanks for that . Now make way boy! "

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 16/05/2014 17:54:22    1588699