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So there I was, just having a look to see what was happening on the website of expert GAA analysis, then I come across the headline 'Clarke believes Cavan can shock Dublin'.

I think the only way we could shock Dublin is with (a.) With 15 Defibrillators (b.) Dublin send down 15 minors (c.) The Dublin team get locked in the dressing room by Sean ORinn.

Massive improvement is needed if we intend to make any kind of impression on Division one. Yes we got promoted, but dont forget the disappointment of the Championship last year.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 03/01/2017 16:49:03    1942827

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Replying To deanmartin:  "So there I was, just having a look to see what was happening on the website of expert GAA analysis, then I come across the headline 'Clarke believes Cavan can shock Dublin'.

I think the only way we could shock Dublin is with (a.) With 15 Defibrillators (b.) Dublin send down 15 minors (c.) The Dublin team get locked in the dressing room by Sean ORinn.

Massive improvement is needed if we intend to make any kind of impression on Division one. Yes we got promoted, but dont forget the disappointment of the Championship last year."
New Year, same you. What's he supposed to say in response to can we beat Dublin. No I don't. When you ever hear a sportsperson say I think we'll lose?

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 03/01/2017 17:43:55    1942837

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "New Year, same you. What's he supposed to say in response to can we beat Dublin. No I don't. When you ever hear a sportsperson say I think we'll lose?"
If Dublin are going to be caught well the 1st game of the league is a great chance to catch them.
They have just gone on their team holiday. So it possible..

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 03/01/2017 21:26:07    1942893

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "New Year, same you. What's he supposed to say in response to can we beat Dublin. No I don't. When you ever hear a sportsperson say I think we'll lose?"
Surely he should have said, Dublin; league, leinster, all ireland champions, cavan with a new manager, no-one expecting us to beat them, we will use the game to guage how far we have to go to be the best,etc,etc. That way there would be no pressure or expectation and a big lift if they beat them. Personally i think cavan have a massive chance. Dub's will be pacing themselves, they know how to peak at the end off the league and they won't be too worried about losing to cavan compared to losing to kerry,tyrone,mayo,etc

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1689 - 04/01/2017 13:03:32    1943020

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "If Dublin are going to be caught well the 1st game of the league is a great chance to catch them.
They have just gone on their team holiday. So it possible.."
I hate to sound pessimistic but Dublin's second team is better than Cavans best starting 15.

Steady_Eddie (Cavan) - Posts: 75 - 04/01/2017 13:23:34    1943030

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "If Dublin are going to be caught well the 1st game of the league is a great chance to catch them.
They have just gone on their team holiday. So it possible.."
Vincent's involvement in AI Club and no Connolly is another plus but still a massive ask. We're not without our own absentees either and we do lack firepower. Still though, it would be great to see a full house, have the crowd really get behind the team and give it a real go. Interesting to see if the new management show any significant change in style of play or improvement or if some of the new additions shine. If this is the case then anything after that is a bonus.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 04/01/2017 14:40:48    1943041

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A few weeks ago, I endorsed the importance of the McKenna Cup and now that it is upon us, I hope that we can get some good momentum off it. I also think their could be a possibility of beating Dublin but it is a small chance and we will need to be at 100% on the day and need to perhaps catch them cold. I think McGleenan will be using this McKenna cup to figure out his best 15 and won't be using the entire panel as he will want us to start winning and keep winning. Maybe he will use the 30 or 32 and I hope he does. But more than that I hope that we can get a few wins under our belt and get a bit of momentum moving into the league. I would argue that maintaining Division 1 status is every bit as important as the championship because if we can hold that status then we are speeding up our development by playing the top teams. Missing Gearoid really doesnt sit well with me though and when you take Givney out too it worries me a lot. Time for the likes of Niall McKiernan and lads like that to stand up and take their chance!

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 04/01/2017 14:48:34    1943044

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Replying To Reformation:  "A few weeks ago, I endorsed the importance of the McKenna Cup and now that it is upon us, I hope that we can get some good momentum off it. I also think their could be a possibility of beating Dublin but it is a small chance and we will need to be at 100% on the day and need to perhaps catch them cold. I think McGleenan will be using this McKenna cup to figure out his best 15 and won't be using the entire panel as he will want us to start winning and keep winning. Maybe he will use the 30 or 32 and I hope he does. But more than that I hope that we can get a few wins under our belt and get a bit of momentum moving into the league. I would argue that maintaining Division 1 status is every bit as important as the championship because if we can hold that status then we are speeding up our development by playing the top teams. Missing Gearoid really doesnt sit well with me though and when you take Givney out too it worries me a lot. Time for the likes of Niall McKiernan and lads like that to stand up and take their chance!"
A few weeks ago, I endorsed the importance of the McKenna Cup and now that it is upon us, I hope that we can get some good momentum off it. I also think their could be a possibility of beating Dublin but it is a small chance and we will need to be at 100% on the day and need to perhaps catch them cold. I think McGleenan will be using this McKenna cup to figure out his best 15 and won't be using the entire panel as he will want us to start winning and keep winning. Maybe he will use the 30 or 32 and I hope he does. But more than that I hope that we can get a few wins under our belt and get a bit of momentum moving into the league. I would argue that maintaining Division 1 status is every bit as important as the championship because if we can hold that status then we are speeding up our development by playing the top teams. Missing Gearoid really doesnt sit well with me though and when you take Givney out too it worries me a lot. Time for the likes of Niall McKiernan and lads like that to stand up and take their chance!

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:203 - 04/01/2017 14:48:34 1943044
You endorsed this Micky mouse time wasting competition.
The only value for this competition is for some players to get a chance to wear the Cavan shirt ? once the league starts most are gone from the panel. I hope that the new management don't put too much emphasis on trying to win this competition for it means nothing except a bit of silver wear put away in a corner for the year. I hope that along with some of the seasoned players some new lad's will get a chance to show what they may have to offer going forward. When you have possible county players playing for the colleges there is nothing to be gained and these matches should be taken as nothing more than challenge matches. Business starts next month where we need to start off with nothing less than a point and better again with two. To be honest this stupid competition should be removed from the calendar.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 05/01/2017 09:44:55    1943171

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heres hoping for a great new year! Really excited with Mattie McGlennon in charge, and a new beginning. Terry gave it alll, n brought Cavan on, but its time now to look to a new era. Cavan are in a tough group in the McKenna Cup, which will only be great for preparation for the National League. As my granddad used to say, 'Its Stretch or Starve'. Going have to stand up! Just wondering does anyone know any info on Cavan's panel at present? Are there many new players. Givney, Mackey, Flanagan and Keating are a massive loss. Givney wass fantastic last year, n Mackey has given his all since 2005. Géaroid will hopefully return which will add to Cavan's attack n strength. Does anyone know what the squad looks like? Breffini Ábu

soraghallaigh (Cavan) - Posts: 15 - 05/01/2017 09:55:58    1943174

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Replying To seanorinn:  "A few weeks ago, I endorsed the importance of the McKenna Cup and now that it is upon us, I hope that we can get some good momentum off it. I also think their could be a possibility of beating Dublin but it is a small chance and we will need to be at 100% on the day and need to perhaps catch them cold. I think McGleenan will be using this McKenna cup to figure out his best 15 and won't be using the entire panel as he will want us to start winning and keep winning. Maybe he will use the 30 or 32 and I hope he does. But more than that I hope that we can get a few wins under our belt and get a bit of momentum moving into the league. I would argue that maintaining Division 1 status is every bit as important as the championship because if we can hold that status then we are speeding up our development by playing the top teams. Missing Gearoid really doesnt sit well with me though and when you take Givney out too it worries me a lot. Time for the likes of Niall McKiernan and lads like that to stand up and take their chance!

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:203 - 04/01/2017 14:48:34 1943044
You endorsed this Micky mouse time wasting competition.
The only value for this competition is for some players to get a chance to wear the Cavan shirt ? once the league starts most are gone from the panel. I hope that the new management don't put too much emphasis on trying to win this competition for it means nothing except a bit of silver wear put away in a corner for the year. I hope that along with some of the seasoned players some new lad's will get a chance to show what they may have to offer going forward. When you have possible county players playing for the colleges there is nothing to be gained and these matches should be taken as nothing more than challenge matches. Business starts next month where we need to start off with nothing less than a point and better again with two. To be honest this stupid competition should be removed from the calendar."
Agree Sean it's just a couple of Challenge games with a trophy at the end but with players on college panels its even less beneficial than a challenge game.

Back in 2000 it was scrapped and was not run for two years but came back in 2003.

I presume the gate goes to Ulster Council which is a source of revenue for them.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 851 - 05/01/2017 11:22:37    1943188

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Replying To Steady_Eddie:  "I hate to sound pessimistic but Dublin's second team is better than Cavans best starting 15."
Cavan have been handed a great chance to get 2 points by having the Dubs in their first game. This would be a crucial win as neither of the other main relegation contenders (Roscommon and Monaghan) will come near beating them.

4 points from the first 2 matches is well achievable and then we can start looking up instead of down

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 05/01/2017 11:30:05    1943191

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A new Season and I was hoping with a change of management that we might all be a bit more optimistic. Some of the comments from the usual suspects I suppose dont surprise me. Just negative people !! The glass half empty brigade !!

Could we at least wait till the season starts ??
What do you think the players think of these comments. ? Dublins B team would beat Cavan and such other rubbish.
Well we just won promotion from Div. 2 and yes we are missing some big players but this gives a great chance to some of the hungry fringe players. Although no player should be called fringe, they are all equal.
The Mc Kenna Cup has always been a tournament that the panels can be sorted out for the Lge and Championship.
I saw a few club Championship games last year and there are a few lads who dident feature with Terry and are well worth starting. So dont despair.
I for one am looking forward to the League and playing against the top teams. Isent it what we have all been dreaming of. Or maybe the lads who said we would go back down to Div 3 last year dont fancy these trips.
And good to hear from our old friend SeanOR. that morale is good in the squad. And hope the health is better too Sean
So like to wish Mattie and the boys a great year. Everyone in the county is behind ye and hopefully you can do us proud.
Breffni Abu.

BreffniDub (None) - Posts: 377 - 05/01/2017 12:19:51    1943201

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Replying To seanorinn:  "A few weeks ago, I endorsed the importance of the McKenna Cup and now that it is upon us, I hope that we can get some good momentum off it. I also think their could be a possibility of beating Dublin but it is a small chance and we will need to be at 100% on the day and need to perhaps catch them cold. I think McGleenan will be using this McKenna cup to figure out his best 15 and won't be using the entire panel as he will want us to start winning and keep winning. Maybe he will use the 30 or 32 and I hope he does. But more than that I hope that we can get a few wins under our belt and get a bit of momentum moving into the league. I would argue that maintaining Division 1 status is every bit as important as the championship because if we can hold that status then we are speeding up our development by playing the top teams. Missing Gearoid really doesnt sit well with me though and when you take Givney out too it worries me a lot. Time for the likes of Niall McKiernan and lads like that to stand up and take their chance!

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:203 - 04/01/2017 14:48:34 1943044
You endorsed this Micky mouse time wasting competition.
The only value for this competition is for some players to get a chance to wear the Cavan shirt ? once the league starts most are gone from the panel. I hope that the new management don't put too much emphasis on trying to win this competition for it means nothing except a bit of silver wear put away in a corner for the year. I hope that along with some of the seasoned players some new lad's will get a chance to show what they may have to offer going forward. When you have possible county players playing for the colleges there is nothing to be gained and these matches should be taken as nothing more than challenge matches. Business starts next month where we need to start off with nothing less than a point and better again with two. To be honest this stupid competition should be removed from the calendar."
Rubbish Sean! Just a big county attitude there and the old 'Sam is the only thing worth playing for' type of attitude.

So tell me this my friend, if we do away with it then how do players stake their claim for a place? How does Mattie pick his best 15? Do you think he can do that on training games in the panel alone? Or maybe you'd propose challenge games which more or less means the same thing!!

You seem to have this old school attitude about 'mickey mouse' competitions but every sport has pre-season tournaments. We wont be having a parade in Cavan town if we win it and nobody is saying that. It is a useful exercise for every county to look at playes and build up fitness. Look at what 3 time All Ireland winning Manager Mickey Harte thinks of the competition. http://hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=264634

But sure what would he know, Sean?

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 05/01/2017 12:50:55    1943205

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Replying To Reformation:  "Rubbish Sean! Just a big county attitude there and the old 'Sam is the only thing worth playing for' type of attitude.

So tell me this my friend, if we do away with it then how do players stake their claim for a place? How does Mattie pick his best 15? Do you think he can do that on training games in the panel alone? Or maybe you'd propose challenge games which more or less means the same thing!!

You seem to have this old school attitude about 'mickey mouse' competitions but every sport has pre-season tournaments. We wont be having a parade in Cavan town if we win it and nobody is saying that. It is a useful exercise for every county to look at playes and build up fitness. Look at what 3 time All Ireland winning Manager Mickey Harte thinks of the competition. http://hoganstand.com/Cavan/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=264634

But sure what would he know, Sean?"
Thank you BreffniDub I have a meeting in the Mater on the 21st to make a decision on wither I am strong enough to have it. The moral is great people gone people coming but it looks great. I predict we will take a minimum of 4 points from our first three matches that would be a great start. Have not heard the starting 15 yet but I am

Reformation (Cavan) -
Yes I am old school Reformation challenge matches are a waste of space BUT if you hold 36 players on your panel and let them beat the crap out of each other once a week where everyone yes everyone is fighting for a place in the named 24 ect for matches. This way you will sort the men form the boy's or the seed from the chaff you will find a solid 15, also if a player is mentioned thats not on the panel that might be worth a look at this is the opportunity to try him or them out.
Old school I may be but boy do I know when players are not worth their place on the pitch.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 05/01/2017 13:55:48    1943234

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Replying To seanorinn:  "Thank you BreffniDub I have a meeting in the Mater on the 21st to make a decision on wither I am strong enough to have it. The moral is great people gone people coming but it looks great. I predict we will take a minimum of 4 points from our first three matches that would be a great start. Have not heard the starting 15 yet but I am

Reformation (Cavan) -
Yes I am old school Reformation challenge matches are a waste of space BUT if you hold 36 players on your panel and let them beat the crap out of each other once a week where everyone yes everyone is fighting for a place in the named 24 ect for matches. This way you will sort the men form the boy's or the seed from the chaff you will find a solid 15, also if a player is mentioned thats not on the panel that might be worth a look at this is the opportunity to try him or them out.
Old school I may be but boy do I know when players are not worth their place on the pitch."
What are you talking about???

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 05/01/2017 14:37:43    1943251

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Lads ! get real !!
We won't beat Dublin. I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist !
Dublin have second string players busting their backsides to get a chance to impress Jim Gavin.
I don't think we will match them. Naturally, i hope I'm wrong.

FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 05/01/2017 14:58:00    1943260

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Replying To FrDougalMaguire:  "Lads ! get real !!
We won't beat Dublin. I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist !
Dublin have second string players busting their backsides to get a chance to impress Jim Gavin.
I don't think we will match them. Naturally, i hope I'm wrong."
What are you talking about???
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:723 - 05/01/2017 14:37:43

Really fella if you don't understand what I am saying you are probably too young to understand how it was in the old day's

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 05/01/2017 15:08:55    1943266

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Replying To seanorinn:  "Thank you BreffniDub I have a meeting in the Mater on the 21st to make a decision on wither I am strong enough to have it. The moral is great people gone people coming but it looks great. I predict we will take a minimum of 4 points from our first three matches that would be a great start. Have not heard the starting 15 yet but I am

Reformation (Cavan) -
Yes I am old school Reformation challenge matches are a waste of space BUT if you hold 36 players on your panel and let them beat the crap out of each other once a week where everyone yes everyone is fighting for a place in the named 24 ect for matches. This way you will sort the men form the boy's or the seed from the chaff you will find a solid 15, also if a player is mentioned thats not on the panel that might be worth a look at this is the opportunity to try him or them out.
Old school I may be but boy do I know when players are not worth their place on the pitch."
Sean, with respect, thats one of the worst responses you've ever posted. It doesn't even mean anything.

Lets move on shall we.

Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 05/01/2017 15:16:41    1943267

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Replying To Reformation:  "Sean, with respect, thats one of the worst responses you've ever posted. It doesn't even mean anything.

Lets move on shall we."
Sean, with respect, thats one of the worst responses you've ever posted. It doesn't even mean anything.

Lets move on shall we.
Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:205 - 05/01/2017 15:16:41 1943267

Happy new year to you, enjoy your attacks towards me but there is sod all wrong with both my posts, those that are old school like me will fully understand my post and my reply to you, so let's leave it at that.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 05/01/2017 15:46:49    1943276

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Replying To Reformation:  "Sean, with respect, thats one of the worst responses you've ever posted. It doesn't even mean anything.

Lets move on shall we."
Sean, with respect, thats one of the worst responses you've ever posted. It doesn't even mean anything.

Lets move on shall we.
Reformation (Cavan) - Posts:205 - 05/01/2017 15:16:41 1943267

Happy new year to you, enjoy your attacks towards me but there is sod all wrong with both my posts, those that are old school like me will fully understand my post and my reply to you, so let's leave it at that.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 05/01/2017 16:49:39    1943291

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