Now that the dust has settled on a disastrous championship campaign what are the views of the posters with regard to the future of Cavan senior football.
We've seen how Monaghan and Armagh have progressed while we seemingly have gone the other direction!
What can be done over the next 8 months to put us back on track or is that possible?

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 05/08/2014 11:45:19    1631684

I dont think it will take an awful lot to get us back on track. Armagh have shown us all what can be achieved by good foot passing and running off the shoulder. Its not rocket science and when you think that we are such a young squad its exactly how we should be playing. Really thinking back on last years performance in Celtic Park thats what we should have been using as our template. We have some good fast intelligent players coming through from U21 as well like Gerry Smith, Conor Moynagh and Kieran Brady. I think Conor Madden if he gets himself injury free can be a force with Paul O'Connor and Enda Reilly.
So all is not lost we are still a young emerging team and Micky Harte certainly is impressed with what we are building.
Keep the faith !!

Brownred (Cavan) - Posts: 229 - 05/08/2014 17:23:09    1631999

I still think a change is needed on the coaching staff.

Maybe Terry should stay, maybe not (he probably deserves another shot at it) but I think a fresh face could work wonders. The current set-up seems to have run out of ideas and a subtle change may be just what we need.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 05/08/2014 21:11:34    1632170

It's a hard one to call do we think terry is going to change the style of play if not let's face the facts we will be straight back down to division 3 and that's alone for cavan football will be one hell of a set back and depending on who we get in the first round of the championship next year it could b another disaster of a championship campaign maybe keeping him for another year see is there improvement etc then change things about bringing in some one of the like of Micky Harte, I think terry is going to stick to his guns and not change the system to much but please god he does cause the buzz and joy I got off following this cavan team in there run to the quater-final last year was amazing it was a proud moment but I just won't want it to go back to the dark days of cavan football which none of us supporters want so let's hope for a new approach to things cause we ain't going no where under this style of play

Cavan_COYBIB (Cavan) - Posts: 62 - 06/08/2014 13:11:38    1632399

Well from the Irish News report Terry and his team are staying on.
From his interview it looks like he didn't learn much from the defeats and keeps insisting that " the team didn't perform ".
Well Terry you and your team didn't perform either.
You need to have a loom at your tactics.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 08/08/2014 12:02:13    1633346

Well said Cavan Slasher, just read that myself. So it was players putting on the jersey and not performing? Nothing to do with selection, tactics, use of switches and substitutions? That's a real kick in the gonads to the lads.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 08/08/2014 12:21:27    1633359

You take a bit out of a tabloid paper and you think that was it. The rest would have been discussed at the Co board meeting

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 08/08/2014 12:54:20    1633376

Foolsgold,

No I read the entire article.
What I don't want to see is more very talented footballers like the Gerry Reilly winning U.16's, minors and U.21's being subjected to playing that s**** football we have been witnessing of late. The young successful and flair players do not deserve that. I don't care who manages the team but that rubbish just has to stop.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 08/08/2014 13:42:16    1633406

Note the management team is staying on (as opposed to just the manager), so it seems no changes in backroom personnel either. Well with that in mind, I certainly can't see us being any different next year. There is nobody in division 2 who we could confidently say we'll beat.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 08/08/2014 17:42:36    1633560

We really have some of the most fickle supporters in Ireland. In 2010/2011 we were genuinely wondering whether there was a team in the country we could be confident of getting a result against. All Ireland Quarter Final, McKenna Cup Final, League Final all within a 12 month period, a bad championship and suddenly the "supporters" turn on Terry Hyland and every statement he says is used as a stick to beat him with. No loyalty, no recognition of how far he has brought Cavan football, no appreciation of just how rare a successful manager like Terry is. Shameful, shameful stuff.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 08/08/2014 19:51:04    1633611

I don't think Terry is the target at all, just the s**** system that is strangling our players.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 08/08/2014 20:55:53    1633630

Well said Jonsmith. No one was happy with this years championship but some if the stuff posted here would turn your stomach. Shameful is right.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 09/08/2014 10:37:39    1633708

Any truth in the rumours the Peter Donnelly is going back to Tyrone to join Mickey Harte???

chancey (Cavan) - Posts: 32 - 10/08/2014 14:26:29    1634291

Johnsmith, you have to hand it to Terry, he turned around Cavan football in a very short space of time and made the transition from U21 to senior very smooth for a lot of our players. His record at both U21 and senior could only be equalled in recent times by Martin McHugh. I think its fair to say we acknowledge that and really do appreciate what he has done for Cavan Football.
However the style of play cannot be condoned of recent. This blanket defence (or counter attacking football as Terry likes to call it) is getting progressively more and more defensive with less and less attacks and scores. While we scraped past ordinary Division 3 teams, we clearly struggled against toughter opposition come championship. What did we do when we dropped this system? We actually played an attacking brand of open football like the division 3 final or in Derry last year.
Players want to play expressive attacking football, they don't want to be confined and constrained. Ill admit there has to be a happy medium somewhere. I fear next year could be a disaster if He keeps persisting with such a defensive system

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 11/08/2014 08:36:59    1634697

JonSmith,

there is no shame in calling it as you see it. You see it differently, fair enough. We're currently at a level where we are normally hard to beat, but normally find it hard to beat anybody. In Div 3 this year, we struggled over the line on a good few occasions.

If you are hoping that this Mgnt will learn by experience and add an offensive strategy to our defence during the coming league, then where is this hope coming from? The time to do that was after the Kerry experience last year. You claim that there has been no recognition for what they have achieved. This is also unfair. Read back through the threads. Many regular posters here have given this Mgnt team full credit for getting us to this level, and rightly so. It's not disloyal to express a view that we feel that they are not capable of bringing us further. Not disloyal, just calling it as we see it.

Surely you're not so accepting of reaching Div 2, being beaten in two consecutive finals and underperforming in three championships games this year, that you would welcome more of the same. Are we not entitled to want more, to raise our expectations and ambitions? Could you look the current U16's in the face and tell them that you'd be happy to be watching them playing in Div 2, and getting three games of negative championship football in 2020? Would that inspire them to make the necessary sacrifices to stick with it to adult inter county football? Why not set a course to be winners, to take on the best on a regular basis and beat team on occasions? How many times do you think we'd have to play Dublin at the moment before we get to win a match against them? 5 games, 10 games, 100 games? It's neither shameful nor disloyal to want better.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 460 - 11/08/2014 15:44:31    1635060

Well said ondforty

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 208 - 12/08/2014 17:47:23    1635850

Ondeforty.

Completely agree with everything you said. Everyone respects what Terry has done for our county but we are entitled to question the SYSTEM not the man.
These people like Foolsgold going on a rant about what fans have posted is pure rubbish. Were you at the Roscommon game in Breffni where we scored 5 points.Did you see the utter heartbreak and disgust coming out of Breffni that evening?
Were you happy with that display?
Because Kevin McStay was right when he said that he saw an awful lot of angry Cavan people after that game.I for one never saw a worse Cavan display from a Cavan team in all my days watching football.
So something has to change !! Peter Donnelly has did a good job at tightening up at the back but something needs to be done on the attacking side of Cavan's game. Lets get in a new back -room team.
Our U21 players can step up to the mark and we have the players to compete at the very top. Lets go out and play a more attack minded game and use all the really skillful players we have in Cavan. Dont be afraid of what the opposition have. We have the young players and with a bit more positivity we could achieve great results.
Cavan Abu .

BreffniDub (None) - Posts: 377 - 12/08/2014 19:05:04    1635911

we have not one player that can compete at the highest level. truth

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 12/08/2014 21:00:44    1635996

Mowbar, Unfortunately we haven't got to that level to consistently test our guys against the highest level. Granted we don't have a Dermot McCabe in our team at present but I have to say a fully fit Mackey would get on most starting 15s in the country, apart from the Dubs maybe.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 13/08/2014 08:50:49    1636067

mowbar
County: Cavan
Posts: 11

1635996 we have not one player that can compete at the highest level. truth

Not true!! We have several top class players and loads of other lads who will improve over the next few years with a bit of experience. Killian Clarke, Cian Mackey, Eugene Keating and maybe a few more would hold their own in any county in Ireland. We have a tendancy in Cavan of being too negative and not giving our young players credit. Look at the 4 U21 titles in a row, look at the u16's beating the Dubs. Our

Brownred (Cavan) - Posts: 229 - 13/08/2014 13:51:49    1636324