s goldrick
sure they already sent down a crew to newbridge for the game if it was on the radio
so how hard is it to get video footage
the dublin county board had a camera set up videoing the match behind the town end goal
if they can get bbc footgae surely they can get dublin county board footage.
its interesting that they could get footage for these game when negative headlines come out

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/01/2015 16:42:33    1686610

3 hurling clubs & 1 rugby club in Co. Longford....

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 26/01/2015 17:32:23    1686627

Lads the PRO 12 is the equivalent of the national league and RTE show highlights of that. Any match up until the first round of the league is a pre season challenge. And even then the league is what it is. It' prep for the championship. I wouldn't in a million years expect to see highlights of the Walsh cup, O'Byrne cup etc in the same way I wouldn't expect to see a pre season friendly between Munster and Wasps.

You only have to look at the teams named, or more significantly, the subs named for a match this time of year. The majority of teams have previous year's all stars on the subs. If the match was that important do you think they would be sitting on the line.....

Therefore, if it isn't important to the teams involved why is it important enough for RTE to cover it?

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 26/01/2015 17:33:00    1686628

seems the supporters regard it as important..soccer friendlies are usually shown on tv..this isnt a friendly competition anyway..its a competition and quite important for lot of teams..if it can draw large attendances then it clearly must mean something?..rte barely cover the league remember

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 26/01/2015 17:45:30    1686635

mike03


i seem to remeber the rugby boyos having heart palpuations at me calling
their friendlys just that in the so called november internationals
yet you have a cup at stake in the provincial competitions this weekend
and you feel they are friendlys
your looking at these competitions wrong
because they dont name their championship team from last year means nothing
managers are using these competitions to find new players to challenege them guys from last year
when else are you going to find out if these guys are good enough to play
that for me is very important
as take dublin im sure john small dean rock and tomas brady have guarnteed themselves a starting jersey
next weekend for the league after the way they performed in the o byrne cup

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/01/2015 17:48:00    1686636

26/01/2015 16:42:10 GreenandRed
There'll be little mention of GAA in February or March with their 6 Nations coverage. Is it D4 bias, maybe but it's as much a financial move as not having cameras at games and getting cheaper feed from BBC and Sky.They'll have 2 men in a field analaysis of the National Leagues but rugby is where it's at on RTE for the next two months because they have a sponsor for 6 Nations coverage and they have advertising revenue built around this. As for 56 adult clubs, I think it's not far off the mark, can't be many more established adult clubs in The Republic. But there are loads who have an interest in rugby who have never played the game or sat foot in any club. In 2009 there was a bandwagon effect, but even so I saw a lot more females wearing jersies. With some recent success of the womens team there's another surge in interest amongst the female population.No bias. What feed would RTE be getting from Sky?
Where are you getting 56 adult clubs and how is it not far off the mark as a guess? There is 17 senior clubs in Munster so take in junior clubs there is well more than 56 in just Munster....
26/01/2015 16:42:10 GreenandRed
Interest amongst the male poulation has also increased year on year and 's far from D4 that it's popularity spread. To see proof of that look at LIDL selling rugby gear, not a company who like to miss a trick. They rarely sell what won't be bought. LIDL is hardly the convenience store of the the D4 set. I'm not a fan of the D4 people myself. Sure when I moved to Dublin in '99 I was shocked and pleasantly surprised to find that no Jackens had horns sticking out of their heads and very few had cloven hooves as were told in our childhood back in Mullah-land! But the Dort accent still wrecks my head. I once advised a lady in Coppers with a D4 accent to display her Union Jack as she was oblivious to the presence of Ciaran McManus who had proudly represented Ireland in Croke Park the same day.The IRFU have organised coaching in primary schools in non-traditional rugby areas, Maybe tehy're looking to get a foothold into GAA territory. Or simply the provinces and IRFU are giving kids another option of a sport to play.
26/01/2015 16:42:10 GreenandRed
If they don't clearly sort out their concussion issues no parent will let their child play rugby, but they're a savvy bunch and I think they'll sort it out. Kids are kids and they'll want to try every sport and maybe decide on one or two later in their teens. Generally the rugby season is September to April. GAA March to October. A lot of people play both. Some play both and other sports.

But most of RTEs target audience play no organised sports. TV watchers with money in their pockets ready to give some of it to those who advertise on TV, Radio, Newspapers and Internet. Right now they're telling you rugby is cool, a phrase I hate. For Cheltenham horses are cool,in May the Premier League is cool, McGregor and MMA will be cool,for Wimbledon strawberries and cream are cool , the GAA will be cool and back to cool rugby for the World Cup. they are working on concussion and are attempting to sort it out.
26/01/2015 16:42:10 GreenandRed
As for GAA v Rugby, I think it's a waste of time and energy trying to pit one against another when there are plenty who can play both, mostly happening at different times of the year and even more who can support both codes+1 on this totally agree

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/01/2015 18:18:04    1686647

26/01/2015 17:33:00 mike03
Lads the PRO 12 is the equivalent of the national league and RTE show highlights of that. Any match up until the first round of the league is a pre season challenge. And even then the league is what it is. It' prep for the championship. I wouldn't in a million years expect to see highlights of the Walsh cup, O'Byrne cup etc in the same way I wouldn't expect to see a pre season friendly between Munster and Wasps.
You only have to look at the teams named, or more significantly, the subs named for a match this time of year. The majority of teams have previous year's all stars on the subs. If the match was that important do you think they would be sitting on the line.....
Therefore, if it isn't important to the teams involved why is it important enough for RTE to cover it? Pro12 is quite different to the national league. National league is played and completed before the championship starts. The pro12 is played before, during and after the European cups.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/01/2015 18:19:37    1686648

26/01/2015 17:48:00 hill16no1man
mike03 i seem to remeber the rugby boyos having heart palpuations at me calling their friendlys just that in the so called november internationals yet you have a cup at stake in the provincial competitions this weekend and you feel they are friendlys your looking at these competitions wrong because they dont name their championship team from last year means nothing managers are using these competitions to find new players to challenege them guys from last year when else are you going to find out if these guys are good enough to play that for me is very important as take dublin im sure john small dean rock and tomas brady have guarnteed themselves a starting jersey next weekend for the league after the way they performed in the o byrne cup The "so called November internationals." Theyre international tests played in November. You dismiss the November internationals as meaningless etc but the teams are as close to full strength as possible for the tests against Australia etc. these games are far from that. The winning and losing of these games is far from minds of players. These competitions are behind the all Ireland, provincial championships and the national league,

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/01/2015 18:23:54    1686651

So there's defo not 56 clubs rugby clubs according to Ormond but no actual figures?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 26/01/2015 19:07:38    1686666

mike03
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Lads the PRO 12 is the equivalent of the national league and RTE show highlights of that. Any match up until the first round of the league is a pre season challenge. And even then the league is what it is. It' prep for the championship. I wouldn't in a million years expect to see highlights of the Walsh cup, O'Byrne cup etc in the same way I wouldn't expect to see a pre season friendly between Munster and Wasps.

You only have to look at the teams named, or more significantly, the subs named for a match this time of year. The majority of teams have previous year's all stars on the subs. If the match was that important do you think they would be sitting on the line.....

Therefore, if it isn't important to the teams involved why is it important enough for RTE to cover it?

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That's even more embarrassing for RTE. If there are only 5000 at PRO12 games and this is the "equivalent of the National League" then why are RTE all over it when there are only 5,000 attending some games? National league attendances will be much higher, in average, than PRO12 games yet how many live games will the national broadcaster show? There will be 20K plus at some of the Croke Park games.

>Therefore, if it isn't important to the teams involved why is it important enough for RTE to cover it?

Because since when did teams wishes determine viewing figures? There was a full house in Newbridge yesterday. These are all (mostly) licence fee payers and audience members are they not? So is it not in RTE's interests to screen games that will draw an audience? Sorry but the logic is baffling. It's a clear strategic decision by RTE to slant their coverage towards the egg chasers. It's undeniable I'm afraid.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4748 - 26/01/2015 19:31:40    1686679

26/01/2015 19:07:38
MesAmis
So there's defo not 56 clubs rugby clubs according to Ormond but no actual figures? There is 52 senior clubs who compete in AIL
link
Then there is several divisions of junior clubs in each province as well as clubs just fielding at underage level etc

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/01/2015 20:06:21    1686692

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26/01/2015 19:07:38
MesAmis
So there's defo not 56 clubs rugby clubs according to Ormond but no actual figures? There is 52 senior clubs who compete in AIL
link
Then there is several divisions of junior clubs in each province as well as clubs just fielding at underage level etc

So what we talking about? Another 100 on top of the 52? 200 more?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 26/01/2015 20:14:47    1686697

http://www.irishrugby.ie/club/club_map.php

Found them I think Ormo cheers.

Seems to be 224 rugby clubs in Ireland, just about 20 clubs shy of the amount of GAA clubs in Cork.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 26/01/2015 20:20:42    1686701

26/01/2015 20:14:47
MesAmis
So what we talking about? Another 100 on top of the 52? 200 more? few hundred more. Im not going to look it up but can only imagine there is and there is new clubs popping up as the years go on.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/01/2015 20:23:27    1686706

There are 232 rugby union clubs in all of Ireland (based on latest figures) less than the total number of GAA clubs in one county. Cork alone has 259 GAA clubs only one of the many reasons why people are complaining about RTE's totally unbalanced coverage of these two sports. There are 2,500 GAA clubs nationwide plus the growing numbers abroad.

mediaman (Antrim) - Posts: 355 - 26/01/2015 20:27:27    1686709

where are the few hundred more coming from?...what we are discussing here is adult rugby clubs..junior sides have no relevance in this debate

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 26/01/2015 20:35:13    1686717

Ormond
The o Byrne cup is very important for finding new players and giving them a chance to get into the team its far from meaningless

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/01/2015 20:49:26    1686728

26/01/2015 20:27:27
mediaman
There are 232 rugby union clubs in all of Ireland (based on latest figures) less than the total number of GAA clubs in one county. Cork alone has 259 GAA clubs only one of the many reasons why people are complaining about RTE's totally unbalanced coverage of these two sports. There are 2,500 GAA clubs nationwide plus the growing numbers abroad. GAA is a multi sport organisation. There is numerous clubs in many counties which are 1 sport only and there is another club in same parish area....
26/01/2015 20:35:13
fabio8
where are the few hundred more coming from?...what we are discussing here is adult rugby clubs..junior sides have no relevance in this debate Im talking about adult clubs when I say junior....
26/01/2015 20:49:26 hill16no1man
Ormond The o Byrne cup is very important for finding new players and giving them a chance to get into the team its far from meaningless Its about 4th in the list of what top sides want behind all Ireland, provincial, national league... And yet you and others try dismiss the internationals in rugby as meaningless

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/01/2015 21:09:01    1686738

the provincial is part of the same competition as the all ireland so its third..the november internationals are no competition at all really...you cant big up the november internationals then try and denigrate the o byrne cup when they are very similar....both have decent fan interest and can be quite good games especially for building a squad hence why you see the all blacks often put out a weak side in most of their games....the figures are there for all to see..it is less than the number of gaa clubs in cork...the figure is nowhere close to the number of gaa clubs

fabio8 (USA) - Posts: 2182 - 26/01/2015 21:28:17    1686745

26/01/2015 21:28:17
fabio8
the provincial is part of the same competition as the all ireland so its third..the november internationals are no competition at all really...you cant big up the november internationals then try and denigrate the o byrne cup when they are very similar....both have decent fan interest and can be quite good games especially for building a squad hence why you see the all blacks often put out a weak side in most of their games....the figures are there for all to see..it is less than the number of gaa clubs in cork...the figure is nowhere close to the number of gaa clubs That's cutting corners and dodging things.
November Internationals are much more than the O Byrne Cup. Counties play league then provincial championship then all Ireland championship and they are completely down the pecking order in terms of prestige. The prestige of a very successful November series is much higher than a successful o byrne cup
All Blacks don't put out weak sides in most of their games. Which games and how many did they put out a weak side in in recent years

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/01/2015 21:36:40    1686752