National Forum

How To Prevent Referee Assaults

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "As I said it thankfully happens on rare occasions but every time it's because the ref made a mess of officiating the match…. You for some reason don't want to accept that but it's a fact…. Take your head out of the sand"
Would it be acceptable for a ref to tell players on the field that they aren't getting a kick or ask how in earth are they making the team? Love to see it.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 10/03/2023 14:29:49    2463216

Link

Replying To Saynothing:  "Would it be acceptable for a ref to tell players on the field that they aren't getting a kick or ask how in earth are they making the team? Love to see it."
Don't know what that means or what you are talking about….but I'm sure lots of players do wonder who allowed a whistle to be placed in some of these referees hands…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 10/03/2023 15:22:23    2463233

Link

Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I don't condone physical abuse but if people can't question a ref for some of their ridiculous calls then we really are a nanny state… If a ref is continuously making poor decisions he should be called out by the GAA… I know exactly the referees that will handle a game properly and the ones that always court controversy yet they still get major games and are never called to answer for their continuous blunders… I agree anyone can make a mistake but if they continue to make the same mistakes is it any wonder they get verbally abused..?"
No being called out isnt the answer. what sport does that?
The ref should, if making a mistake, get coached/trained more on aspects of the game
the training refs get in GAA is crap at all levels. the GAA needs full time ref officers in every county. they coach the refs. the older experienced refs and retired refs watch refs in games give them advice on what to do in games, how to ref aspects of games better.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 10/03/2023 16:56:38    2463262

Link

Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Referees or any other official getting attacked is down to badness and lack of basic notions of how to behave oneself. Particularly to be condemned when as we've seen lately it's been alleged adults acting the maggot at underage games.

Not going to comment on what happened in Ringsend, and wasn't there, but suffice to say it reflects badly on both clubs involved from what I've seen and heard."
I wasn't at the game in Ringsend either but I wasn't a bit surprised when I heard the name of one of the clubs mentioned, you only have to know the name of one of their home pitches in particular to get an idea of what you're dealing with here, they've always been like that and getting away with it for years, this kind of thuggery is not acceptable and I hope the individual involved in that assault on the umpire gets jail time!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 940 - 11/03/2023 12:02:17    2463334

Link

Killing fields and Cavan poster anonymously slating referees and their lack of training sums up everything.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2139 - 11/03/2023 15:10:13    2463373

Link

Replying To Claretandblue:  "Killing fields and Cavan poster anonymously slating referees and their lack of training sums up everything."
All it sums up is that referees are poorly trained… simple enough unless you're a bit slow on the uptake

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 11/03/2023 15:54:28    2463390

Link

Replying To Claretandblue:  "Killing fields and Cavan poster anonymously slating referees and their lack of training sums up everything."
what do you propose be done that isnt done now?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 11/03/2023 16:24:22    2463400

Link

Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "I think a good strong deterrent is needed to prevent attacks on officials. If you're serious about laying hands on someone who's not laying his hands on you but it just trying to apply the rules of the game that you're playing, then there should be a minimum ban of, I dunno, three years? five years? more? with the flexibility to extend it based on the circumstances. Investigations and punishments to be done centrally, not at local level. That is, if the referee gets clobbered at a Longford Junior C hurling game in front of 10 spectators, he'll get his punishment same as if he did in front of 50,000 in Croke Park, and get a similar punishment to such a player. Additionally, whichever Unit is hosting the competition, make it mandatory for them to report it up the chain for fear of suspension. In my example, the club(s) have to report it to the Longford GAA, who have to report it to Leinster GAA, who have to report it to Croke Park. Or a step can be skipped, or maybe the county committee can start off the chain of reporting, or Croke Park can start investigating it themselves off their own bat, or whatever, but no-one can sit on it. Assaults on officials should go all the way to the top."
Once we protect our referees and have that framework in place, we can add things like melees to the list, and advanced nonsense like players and spectators fighting.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1168 - 14/03/2023 14:10:48    2463900

Link

Totally agree but the problem is it's virtually impossible to enforce lengthy bans in terms of spectators attacking referees. Who's going to prevent a banned spectator entering Clonguish or Longford Slashers grounds? Even county grounds are difficult to police. Obviously preventing those offenders having official positions with clubs is achievable.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2139 - 14/03/2023 16:31:01    2463921

Link

Replying To Claretandblue:  "Totally agree but the problem is it's virtually impossible to enforce lengthy bans in terms of spectators attacking referees. Who's going to prevent a banned spectator entering Clonguish or Longford Slashers grounds? Even county grounds are difficult to police. Obviously preventing those offenders having official positions with clubs is achievable."
Well if at all possible we start court cases against those who physically attack officials especially spectators then it would be a start.
players/coaches can be dealt with through playing rules/bans from playing/coaching for a start but spectators should be banned for life and jailed.
Yes bans on spectators or anyone else can be difficult to enforce but if you put pressure on club a person banned is memebr of then it would help

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 14/03/2023 18:19:54    2463944

Link

Replying To Claretandblue:  "Totally agree but the problem is it's virtually impossible to enforce lengthy bans in terms of spectators attacking referees. Who's going to prevent a banned spectator entering Clonguish or Longford Slashers grounds? Even county grounds are difficult to police. Obviously preventing those offenders having official positions with clubs is achievable."
The big problem is that supporters who assault referees or other officials get the full protection from whichever club they are attached to.. No club have the balls to come out and name their own members who engage in such acts therefore leaving it impossible for any action to be taken… they hide behind the "not members of our club" line…. Referees will always get some form of verbal abuse depending on how they are handling the game but those who step over the line and physically assault an official ( or player for that matter ) should face the full riggers of the law…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 14/03/2023 18:20:39    2463945

Link

Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I don't condone physical abuse but if people can't question a ref for some of their ridiculous calls then we really are a nanny state… If a ref is continuously making poor decisions he should be called out by the GAA… I know exactly the referees that will handle a game properly and the ones that always court controversy yet they still get major games and are never called to answer for their continuous blunders… I agree anyone can make a mistake but if they continue to make the same mistakes is it any wonder they get verbally abused..?"
What part of making your point and articulating your annoyance without being abusive do you not understand? Your attitude speaks volumes about you personally.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 14/03/2023 20:42:51    2463961

Link

Replying To Claretandblue:  "Totally agree but the problem is it's virtually impossible to enforce lengthy bans in terms of spectators attacking referees. Who's going to prevent a banned spectator entering Clonguish or Longford Slashers grounds? Even county grounds are difficult to police. Obviously preventing those offenders having official positions with clubs is achievable."
You're absolutely right. How do you ban someone for life from attending GAA games? I doubt any of his locals are gonna stop him attending the U-13 final where he soon is playing, or any game for that matter. Or just not ban him from those games...? I dunno... I can't imagine there's any appetite at any level for following up any cases of someone ignoring their ban. How do they do it in England where they issue life bans for racists and hooligans? When Matthew Simmons abused Eric Cantona at Selhurst Park in 1995 and got banned for life, how was that enforced? Banning them from having positions within the club of course, or from, say, playing, etc is doable.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1168 - 15/03/2023 07:26:37    2463964

Link

Replying To Greengrass:  "What part of making your point and articulating your annoyance without being abusive do you not understand? Your attitude speaks volumes about you personally."
There is a big difference between verbal and actual physical abuse…. Your inability to work that out speaks volumes about your intelligence…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 15/03/2023 10:10:19    2463977

Link

Replying To Greengrass:  "What part of making your point and articulating your annoyance without being abusive do you not understand? Your attitude speaks volumes about you personally."
There is a big difference between verbal and actual physical abuse…. Your inability to work that out speaks volumes about your intelligence…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 15/03/2023 10:15:14    2463981

Link

Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "There is a big difference between verbal and actual physical abuse…. Your inability to work that out speaks volumes about your intelligence…!"
Eh the key word is abuse. Any kind of abuse is wrong. Whatever about my perceived lack intelligence your persistent condoning of abuse speaks volumes about you. It's time you reflected on what you consistently condone.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 16/03/2023 10:57:33    2464158

Link

Replying To Greengrass:  "Eh the key word is abuse. Any kind of abuse is wrong. Whatever about my perceived lack intelligence your persistent condoning of abuse speaks volumes about you. It's time you reflected on what you consistently condone."
Any questioning of a referee and his poor performance will always be termed as abuse by nanny state people like yourself… Nothing can be said to anyone anymore regardless of what mess they make…referees included.. We have turned into the ultimate nanny state…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3814 - 16/03/2023 12:50:26    2464187

Link

Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "The big problem is that supporters who assault referees or other officials get the full protection from whichever club they are attached to.. No club have the balls to come out and name their own members who engage in such acts therefore leaving it impossible for any action to be taken… they hide behind the "not members of our club" line…. Referees will always get some form of verbal abuse depending on how they are handling the game but those who step over the line and physically assault an official ( or player for that matter ) should face the full riggers of the law….."
Well punish the club in some cases if club actively defends someone inspite of indesputable evidence.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 16/03/2023 13:52:55    2464199

Link

Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "There is a big difference between verbal and actual physical abuse…. Your inability to work that out speaks volumes about your intelligence…!"
And verbal abuse and serious verbal abuse is the first step towards physical abuse. reduce verbal abuse and you are less likely to see physical abuse

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 16/03/2023 13:53:51    2464200

Link

Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Any questioning of a referee and his poor performance will always be termed as abuse by nanny state people like yourself… Nothing can be said to anyone anymore regardless of what mess they make…referees included.. We have turned into the ultimate nanny state…!"
I criticise refs when they warrant it but you just see poor performance or alleged poor performance be a chance to fully abuse refs with no consequences.
go away with the nanny state nonsense.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 16/03/2023 13:55:11    2464202

Link