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Wexford Clubs In The Leinster Club Hurling Championship

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Munster this and Munster that, who's top of the All
Ireland titles chart, not a Munster team anyway!!

Anthony Daly had a hard-on for TK (Tony Kelly) for the whole summer and refused to acknowledge how well the Recks played in the q-final but then anyway his TK met Mikey Butler from Kilkenny who hurled the ears off him in semi-final.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 925 - 18/11/2022 11:32:56    2448024

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Ah well Munster is the land of 76 All Ireland Senior Titles. Every county is included in the Roll of Honour. No Province comes near.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 18/11/2022 12:02:29    2448027

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Replying To Punter72007:  "Kilkenny folk don't go droves to Leinster finals because they get to so many finals and have a lower population (approximately half that of Limerick and a fifth of Cork).

Now if Wexford were there ... we'd put 30k+ alone into Croke Park."
Hold on there. Galway and KK combined have more than 350, 000 of a population, more than Clare and Limerick combined. And Cork and Tipperary people do not attend Clare/ Limerick Finals, because as Joe Hays, a splendid servant of the Blue and Gold, once succinctly noted, Finals involving the Banner and Treaty men are 'only B Finals'

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 18/11/2022 12:08:00    2448030

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah well Munster is the land of 76 All Ireland Senior Titles. Every county is included in the Roll of Honour. No Province comes near."
And about 90% of that total is Tipp and Cork...Leinster has 60 titles which is about a similar gap between Cork /Tipp and the next closest to them in Munster. Limerick are closer to London on the roll of honor than they are to the least successful of the big 3 so don't going spouting off historical victories as a test of superiority because if that's the way to go then No one can have any argument against Kilkenny being the greatest hurling county of the lot so?

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 18/11/2022 12:36:27    2448036

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "True, the Wexicans love a bandwagon ;)"
Bandwagon need sustained success. And that hasn't happened for Wexford since before I was born. So I think you are wrong there!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 18/11/2022 13:00:40    2448042

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah well Munster is the land of 76 All Ireland Senior Titles. Every county is included in the Roll of Honour. No Province comes near."
Munster is only ahead in that statistic because 2 of the big 3 hail from there OTM.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 18/11/2022 13:02:10    2448044

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Hold on there. Galway and KK combined have more than 350, 000 of a population, more than Clare and Limerick combined. And Cork and Tipperary people do not attend Clare/ Limerick Finals, because as Joe Hays, a splendid servant of the Blue and Gold, once succinctly noted, Finals involving the Banner and Treaty men are 'only B Finals'"
There was a bigger crowd at the 2017 Leinster final than most if not all Munster finals OTM. And Kilkenny weren't in it. Think that would go for the 2019 Leinster hurling final also when it was played between 2 counties with a combined population of only a little more than Limericks by itself.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 18/11/2022 13:06:27    2448046

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah well Munster is the land of 76 All Ireland Senior Titles. Every county is included in the Roll of Honour. No Province comes near."
Doesn't make any difference Kilkenny are top of the pile in honours list and only for we had to meet them year in and year out we would have a few more 2 .Offaly probably one of the best stick men ever from leinster as well so wouldn't be blowing up munster hurling myself look at Clare this year we should have bet them and kk hammered them yet all the talk was about them

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 340 - 18/11/2022 14:00:20    2448058

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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin:  "And about 90% of that total is Tipp and Cork...Leinster has 60 titles which is about a similar gap between Cork /Tipp and the next closest to them in Munster. Limerick are closer to London on the roll of honor than they are to the least successful of the big 3 so don't going spouting off historical victories as a test of superiority because if that's the way to go then No one can have any argument against Kilkenny being the greatest hurling county of the lot so?"
Whose arguing that KK are not the greatest hurling county?. Having said that for most of the first hundred 100 years of the Association they generally played second fiddle to Cork and Tipp. Any way Cork and Tipp have 58 All Irelands and the other 4 'Minnows' have 18 between them- well above 10%, as you seem to suggest- which aint that bad. I never mentioned Limerick at all in this debate as I was highlighting that Munster is the main Hurling Province, a fact of which quietly proud in the deep South.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 18/11/2022 14:23:55    2448066

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Alas, "Wexford Clubs In The Leinster Club Hurling Championship"?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 18/11/2022 14:38:13    2448072

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Whose arguing that KK are not the greatest hurling county?. Having said that for most of the first hundred 100 years of the Association they generally played second fiddle to Cork and Tipp. Any way Cork and Tipp have 58 All Irelands and the other 4 'Minnows' have 18 between them- well above 10%, as you seem to suggest- which aint that bad. I never mentioned Limerick at all in this debate as I was highlighting that Munster is the main Hurling Province, a fact of which quietly proud in the deep South."
Well there is only two hurling provinces

hurlorhurley (Wexford) - Posts: 1660 - 18/11/2022 14:45:03    2448073

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Whose arguing that KK are not the greatest hurling county?. Having said that for most of the first hundred 100 years of the Association they generally played second fiddle to Cork and Tipp. Any way Cork and Tipp have 58 All Irelands and the other 4 'Minnows' have 18 between them- well above 10%, as you seem to suggest- which aint that bad. I never mentioned Limerick at all in this debate as I was highlighting that Munster is the main Hurling Province, a fact of which quietly proud in the deep South."
There are 3 particularly successful counties in hurling in the country. I don't think any of their success is due to what province they happen to be in!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 18/11/2022 14:47:31    2448075

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Whose arguing that KK are not the greatest hurling county?. Having said that for most of the first hundred 100 years of the Association they generally played second fiddle to Cork and Tipp. Any way Cork and Tipp have 58 All Irelands and the other 4 'Minnows' have 18 between them- well above 10%, as you seem to suggest- which aint that bad. I never mentioned Limerick at all in this debate as I was highlighting that Munster is the main Hurling Province, a fact of which quietly proud in the deep South."
And the other 4 traditional minnow counties outside of Kilkenny have 24 in Leinster? What's your point there? Wexford, Limerick, Clare, Waterford, Offaly and Galway all have pretty similar records and history suffering at the hands of 3 superpowers? Don't think there's a gap between Munster and Leinster really at all ATM, there's a gap between Limeirck and the rest. If you combined Leinster and Munster and only 3 come out like this championship the chances are it'd probably be Limeirck, Kilkenny and Galway that would come out of that group. If you replaced Cork, Tipp, Waterford Clare in Leisnter instead of Wexford or Galway this year would it really make a difference? Not really. Traditionally Cork, Tipp and Kilkenny only seen each other as rivals and didn't give a toss about the others in the province, the odd rivalry with Offaly, Wexford, Clare, Limeirck, Waterford might Spring up for a couple of years at most. Hurling has been much improved since the strangle hold was broken to some extent (bar Kilkenny in the 00s and 10s) of the big 3 in the 80s

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 18/11/2022 14:51:06    2448076

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Whose arguing that KK are not the greatest hurling county?. Having said that for most of the first hundred 100 years of the Association they generally played second fiddle to Cork and Tipp. Any way Cork and Tipp have 58 All Irelands and the other 4 'Minnows' have 18 between them- well above 10%, as you seem to suggest- which aint that bad. I never mentioned Limerick at all in this debate as I was highlighting that Munster is the main Hurling Province, a fact of which quietly proud in the deep South."
Have to say I always find this Munster v Leinster thing a little silly.

The provinces as they stand today were drawn up about 400 years ago by an Englishman who was tasked with devising a map for the administration of Ireland. If he'd done things a little differently back then, then this "argument" today could be very different now.

For example, he could have joined Tipperary with Kilkenny in Leinster, in recognition of how the Earl of Ormonde of the time ran the roost over most of that area. Instead, he drew lines on the map a different way.

Bottom line is that any Munster hurling folk who take glory and pride from their superiority in overall All-Ireland hurling titles have one thing to thank for that, above all others - and that's an action by one of our English overlords of the 17th century.

Otherwise we could have been talking today about how the two Leinster counties of Tipperary and Kilkenny have more All-Irelands between them than all five of the Munster counties.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 18/11/2022 15:01:13    2448079

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Anyway, there is no denying the glory of Munster Hurling. As late as last June Thurles was sold out within ten minutes of the tickets been put on sale. How many were at the Leinster Finals."
The Leinster Final was played in Dublin on a Saturday night . And your comparing that (attendance) with the Munster Final, which was played on a Sunday afternoon in a county that borders both Clare and Limerick (the finalists)? Pathetic.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2767 - 18/11/2022 15:56:40    2448086

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Have to say I always find this Munster v Leinster thing a little silly.

The provinces as they stand today were drawn up about 400 years ago by an Englishman who was tasked with devising a map for the administration of Ireland. If he'd done things a little differently back then, then this "argument" today could be very different now.

For example, he could have joined Tipperary with Kilkenny in Leinster, in recognition of how the Earl of Ormonde of the time ran the roost over most of that area. Instead, he drew lines on the map a different way.

Bottom line is that any Munster hurling folk who take glory and pride from their superiority in overall All-Ireland hurling titles have one thing to thank for that, above all others - and that's an action by one of our English overlords of the 17th century.

Otherwise we could have been talking today about how the two Leinster counties of Tipperary and Kilkenny have more All-Irelands between them than all five of the Munster counties."
He could have put KK in with us as well and given Clare to Connacht, where it was for centuries.b

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 18/11/2022 17:53:41    2448104

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "He could have put KK in with us as well and given Clare to Connacht, where it was for centuries.b"
Could've put the big 3 altogether too by that logic and left the rest of us to fight it out for scraps.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 18/11/2022 19:09:03    2448112

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "The Leinster Final was played in Dublin on a Saturday night . And your comparing that (attendance) with the Munster Final, which was played on a Sunday afternoon in a county that borders both Clare and Limerick (the finalists)? Pathetic."
Ah Come on its just a short spin up the Motorway.. My home place in West Limerick is about eighty miles from Thurles and West Clare is much further away. And both these sets of supporters draw on second rate roads.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 18/11/2022 21:01:05    2448123

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah Come on its just a short spin up the Motorway.. My home place in West Limerick is about eighty miles from Thurles and West Clare is much further away. And both these sets of supporters draw on second rate roads."
Croke Park is a nightmare of a trip from our house here in South Wexford. You would be in your own seat in Thurles in around half the time from driving out the gate here as you would your seat in Croke Park.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 19/11/2022 09:14:43    2448130

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah Come on its just a short spin up the Motorway.. My home place in West Limerick is about eighty miles from Thurles and West Clare is much further away. And both these sets of supporters draw on second rate roads."
Croke Park is a nightmare of a trip from our house here in South Wexford. You would be in your own seat in Thurles in around half the time from driving out the gate here as you would your seat in Croke Park.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 19/11/2022 09:15:20    2448131

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