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Wexford Clubs In The Leinster Club Hurling Championship

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "He could have put KK in with us as well and given Clare to Connacht, where it was for centuries.b"
Exactly. Then you'd have even more All-Ireland titles in Munster to take pride and glory from. But you'd still be thanking a 17th-century Englishman for it!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 19/11/2022 10:12:58    2448133

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Replying To Viking66:  "Croke Park is a nightmare of a trip from our house here in South Wexford. You would be in your own seat in Thurles in around half the time from driving out the gate here as you would your seat in Croke Park."
Agreed.

The spin to the park and ride is grand.

It's the dart or luas and walk afterwards that's a killer.

You can head for thurles and arrive at the ground 45 minutes early without a hitch.

A 3 o clock game in Croke Park is an 8am to 9pm commitment in my experience.

I would go to an evening game in Croke Park, but makes travel a nightmare altogether.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3580 - 19/11/2022 10:26:12    2448139

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Replying To Viking66:  "Croke Park is a nightmare of a trip from our house here in South Wexford. You would be in your own seat in Thurles in around half the time from driving out the gate here as you would your seat in Croke Park."
That's simply not the case though is it claiming it takes twice as long to get to a croke park seat as it is to thurles from anywhere in Wexford. In fact a quick check of the maps telling you the difference is a whole 6 mins longer to croke park from Taghmon.

Ive never been to semple stadium without having to walk at least 30mins to the ground and I've never had to walk more than 30 mins to croke park. Traffic is as bad in thurles on match days as it is in croke park if not worse due to the fact there's literally 2 roads in to it from our side compared to multiple avenues to get to croke park

Never mind the fact you at least can get to croke park easily by bus or by train as compared to thurles. There's a reason Wexford games in thurles never attract the same amount of attendance from Wexford, because if the crap road to get there and the only viable way is by car

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1498 - 19/11/2022 11:21:15    2448143

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah Come on its just a short spin up the Motorway.. My home place in West Limerick is about eighty miles from Thurles and West Clare is much further away. And both these sets of supporters draw on second rate roads."
And a supporter from West Galway itd take them 5 hours at least to get Croke Park, point being here? It is a lot easier journey make, I'd say Galway had more support in Thurles vs Cork than they did in Croke Park for Leinster final...not to mention the cost of it. I'd say even if Kilkenny were in Musnter they wouldn't travel either with the amount of all Ireland's they get to, eve for semi finals they wouldn't travel in great numbers. Kerry are the same in football, no one goes until the final. Provincial titles are grand, have lost much of the allure since the back door, but it's all Ireland's that every player starts out at the start of the year to win.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 19/11/2022 11:51:24    2448149

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah Come on its just a short spin up the Motorway.. My home place in West Limerick is about eighty miles from Thurles and West Clare is much further away. And both these sets of supporters draw on second rate roads."
I'd much rather the Leinster final was played the Semple Stadium. Ideal size, which creates a better atmosphere. Easier to get to, by and large, for most of the top Leinster hurling counties. But it won't happen because of the politics of the GAA Provinces. If Kilkenny and Galway had played last June's final in Thurles on a Sunday afternoon, there would have been around 40,000 in attendance. If Galway and Wexford were to play a final in Thurles, it would be a sell-out.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2767 - 19/11/2022 12:35:58    2448154

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Replying To tearintom:  "That's simply not the case though is it claiming it takes twice as long to get to a croke park seat as it is to thurles from anywhere in Wexford. In fact a quick check of the maps telling you the difference is a whole 6 mins longer to croke park from Taghmon.

Ive never been to semple stadium without having to walk at least 30mins to the ground and I've never had to walk more than 30 mins to croke park. Traffic is as bad in thurles on match days as it is in croke park if not worse due to the fact there's literally 2 roads in to it from our side compared to multiple avenues to get to croke park

Never mind the fact you at least can get to croke park easily by bus or by train as compared to thurles. There's a reason Wexford games in thurles never attract the same amount of attendance from Wexford, because if the crap road to get there and the only viable way is by car"
Park at the pitch at Durles og GAA above Semple. 10 minutes to your seat! Croke Park right now might be only 6 minutes longer of a drive, though I don't believe that, but you have to park miles away on a matchday and traffic gets alot busier. I'm out towards new ross from the village never any traffic on the backroads to Thurles.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 19/11/2022 17:38:32    2448178

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Replying To tearintom:  "That's simply not the case though is it claiming it takes twice as long to get to a croke park seat as it is to thurles from anywhere in Wexford. In fact a quick check of the maps telling you the difference is a whole 6 mins longer to croke park from Taghmon.

Ive never been to semple stadium without having to walk at least 30mins to the ground and I've never had to walk more than 30 mins to croke park. Traffic is as bad in thurles on match days as it is in croke park if not worse due to the fact there's literally 2 roads in to it from our side compared to multiple avenues to get to croke park

Never mind the fact you at least can get to croke park easily by bus or by train as compared to thurles. There's a reason Wexford games in thurles never attract the same amount of attendance from Wexford, because if the crap road to get there and the only viable way is by car"
When you have 4 small kids car is the only option.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 19/11/2022 17:40:17    2448180

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah Come on its just a short spin up the Motorway.. My home place in West Limerick is about eighty miles from Thurles and West Clare is much further away. And both these sets of supporters draw on second rate roads."
I know, that is most likely why 19,168 punters from both counties paid in to the Munster Semi final in 2017.....
Something happen since? Ole ole ole.........

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 20/11/2022 10:43:46    2448207

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Yes we have teams left in leinster and good luck to them but it's bargain basement standard. I suppose we have to be greatful for small mercies in this county of ours at the moment."
There are 12 teams left in the 6 Leinster Championships. 3 of them are from Wexford. That's a quarter. In a province with 12 counties. So our clubs have overperformed significantly not underperformed.
Good luck to Fethard, Horeswood and Adamstown in their finals and hope all 3 New Ross District sides bring silverware back to the county!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 28/11/2022 09:34:54    2448911

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Replying To Magpie2:  "Yes we have teams left in leinster and good luck to them but it's bargain basement standard. I suppose we have to be greatful for small mercies in this county of ours at the moment."
There are 12 teams left in the 6 Leinster Championships. 3 of them are from Wexford. That's a quarter. In a province with 12 counties. So our clubs have overperformed significantly not underperformed.
Good luck to Fethard, Horeswood and Adamstown in their finals and hope all 3 New Ross District sides bring silverware back to the county!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 28/11/2022 09:35:28    2448912

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Replying To Viking66:  "There are 12 teams left in the 6 Leinster Championships. 3 of them are from Wexford. That's a quarter. In a province with 12 counties. So our clubs have overperformed significantly not underperformed.
Good luck to Fethard, Horeswood and Adamstown in their finals and hope all 3 New Ross District sides bring silverware back to the county!"
The glass is definitely half full :)

Having said that, as I watched St. Mullins v Kilmacud yesterday, I had to wonder if Ferns might have done any better...and unfortunately I had to conclude "probably not". Seems we're still a long way off the pace where the senior championship is concerned.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2856 - 28/11/2022 11:59:35    2448934

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "The glass is definitely half full :)

Having said that, as I watched St. Mullins v Kilmacud yesterday, I had to wonder if Ferns might have done any better...and unfortunately I had to conclude "probably not". Seems we're still a long way off the pace where the senior championship is concerned."
The fact the senior hurling championship is so open doesn't lend itself to a strong showing in Leinster, I said this here before I think 7 of the 8 teams in the QF's were pretty much as the same level (Glynn had a poor year) and it was just a matter of who performed on the day, bit of luck etc. The QF's 1 was decided by penalties, another by a point and another by 3, Ferns did beat Glynn well. Semi's 1 went to extra time and other was decided by 5 but Martins didn't pull away till the last 5-10 mins and then a point in it in the final. Says it all really.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 1760 - 28/11/2022 12:13:19    2448938

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "The glass is definitely half full :)

Having said that, as I watched St. Mullins v Kilmacud yesterday, I had to wonder if Ferns might have done any better...and unfortunately I had to conclude "probably not". Seems we're still a long way off the pace where the senior championship is concerned."
I think Ferns would be at the similar level as Naas.

Naas lost by 11 points to Ballyhale yesterday and I'd say Ferns would lose to a similar amount if not more.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 925 - 28/11/2022 12:26:23    2448943

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "The glass is definitely half full :)

Having said that, as I watched St. Mullins v Kilmacud yesterday, I had to wonder if Ferns might have done any better...and unfortunately I had to conclude "probably not". Seems we're still a long way off the pace where the senior championship is concerned."
Croke Park probably would've suited Ferns more than St Mullins, St Mullins have a shocking lack of pace in the full back line especially. Still a fine team but maybe aging a little and needed to make it a dog fight yesterday. Ferns wouldn't have beaten Kilmacud either but Croke Park would've suited their style more.
It is a little disappointing the poor showings of Wexford senior champions the last number of years. There isn't much of a difference in standard between junior and intermediate in Wexford and junior Champs showings in Leinster last few yeas probably show that (best of luck to Horeswood actually) Find that intermediate is a very poor enough standard and the bottom senior teams are probably at that level too, massive gap between them and top 5/6 teams. At least the championship is shared amongst a good few teams, keep its exciting and unpredictable, don't think there's a team of any great standard compared to other counties but I don't think I'd swap that for what Waterford have with just one very good club and a huge gap to the rest.

Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 318 - 28/11/2022 12:51:00    2448950

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "The glass is definitely half full :)

Having said that, as I watched St. Mullins v Kilmacud yesterday, I had to wonder if Ferns might have done any better...and unfortunately I had to conclude "probably not". Seems we're still a long way off the pace where the senior championship is concerned."
The top senior clubs are where they are because of the way they are run largely, not because of the county they are from. It's very hard to sustain success as generations go by. Shamrocks seem to be able to do it. Most of the other multi title winning clubs, Tom's and Portumna, Birr and the other Kilkenny sides did it with very good golden generations.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 28/11/2022 14:28:15    2448970

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Replying To Past hurler:  "I think Ferns would be at the similar level as Naas.

Naas lost by 11 points to Ballyhale yesterday and I'd say Ferns would lose to a similar amount if not more."
I think Naas are more likely to win a Leinster than any of our clubs over the next few years tbh. Massive playing numbers, proper underage structures and really well organised and funded club. The county you are from is irrelevant to Senior Leinster club success.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 28/11/2022 14:30:28    2448973

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Replying To Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin:  "Croke Park probably would've suited Ferns more than St Mullins, St Mullins have a shocking lack of pace in the full back line especially. Still a fine team but maybe aging a little and needed to make it a dog fight yesterday. Ferns wouldn't have beaten Kilmacud either but Croke Park would've suited their style more.
It is a little disappointing the poor showings of Wexford senior champions the last number of years. There isn't much of a difference in standard between junior and intermediate in Wexford and junior Champs showings in Leinster last few yeas probably show that (best of luck to Horeswood actually) Find that intermediate is a very poor enough standard and the bottom senior teams are probably at that level too, massive gap between them and top 5/6 teams. At least the championship is shared amongst a good few teams, keep its exciting and unpredictable, don't think there's a team of any great standard compared to other counties but I don't think I'd swap that for what Waterford have with just one very good club and a huge gap to the rest."
Was just thinking that as I read through your post. St Thomas won their 5th in a row too. At least Loughrea might win a title soon there though. From a spectators point of view its definitely better to have what we have. And from a County team point of view it doesn't seem to make much difference. There weren't too many players from either Ballygunner or St Thomas on their county teams.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 28/11/2022 14:48:45    2448974

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "The glass is definitely half full :)

Having said that, as I watched St. Mullins v Kilmacud yesterday, I had to wonder if Ferns might have done any better...and unfortunately I had to conclude "probably not". Seems we're still a long way off the pace where the senior championship is concerned."
Not disputing that recent Wexford Senior Hurling Champions have had a bad record in Leinster but it looked like a case of everything going right for Kilmacud yesterday and everything going wrong for St Mullins. Again, not saying St Mullins would have won anyway but yesterday's result wouldn't quite accurately reflect the true gap between the two teams

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 491 - 28/11/2022 15:21:53    2448979

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You lads are gas.
Ferns are a club team with 1 county hurler and a team of good club hurlers. They did great to win Wexford.
But you all think that they should automatically be winning Leinster, or have some god-given right to beat teams from Carlow where half the team are just better hurlers than them playing McDonagh cup hurling?
Crokes are a top side with players with lots of both current and underage inter county experience.
Ferns rode the crest of a wave to the county title in Wexford, but they stumbled over the line against an injury ravaged St. Martins team? Not a chance in my view.
Wexford is in a better place than people think, with county players coming from every club from senior to junior. That is always going to hamper them when they meet Ballyhale, St. Mullins (who ran Ballyhale close a few years back) and Crokes in Leinster.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1337 - 01/12/2022 21:36:01    2449295

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "You lads are gas.
Ferns are a club team with 1 county hurler and a team of good club hurlers. They did great to win Wexford.
But you all think that they should automatically be winning Leinster, or have some god-given right to beat teams from Carlow where half the team are just better hurlers than them playing McDonagh cup hurling?
Crokes are a top side with players with lots of both current and underage inter county experience.
Ferns rode the crest of a wave to the county title in Wexford, but they stumbled over the line against an injury ravaged St. Martins team? Not a chance in my view.
Wexford is in a better place than people think, with county players coming from every club from senior to junior. That is always going to hamper them when they meet Ballyhale, St. Mullins (who ran Ballyhale close a few years back) and Crokes in Leinster."
Of course it will. We don't have superclubs as such which makes our championships a much better spectacle than those where teams have won 5 in a row, Kilkenny and Galway, and even more, Waterford. We have probably had more different winners of all our Football and Hurling championships in the last 10 years than nearly any other county. Obviously the current lack of a superclub hurts our provincial club chances especially in the Senior Leinster club championships. But I'd rather have what we have tbh.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15713 - 02/12/2022 10:12:27    2449307

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