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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Current madness ? You sound like a Liveline caller."
Only time I ever tune into Montrose is for matches. Try it yourself. You be much better for it :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 07/02/2023 17:07:22    2457118

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "The fanaticism is all on the other side these days, The quasi religion is made up of the strange stuff that lefties have adopted since socialism went belly up 30 years ago,"
Are you actually serious? I am slightly left leaning but I analyse everything before commenting. It's up to parents to guide their kids and set them on the right path. Some kids will still choose their own path as they become older, if that is the case then they shouldn't be demonised. I find it hilarious the amount of people who are so concerned by the choices that people make even though it has no influence on what happens in their own home.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7517 - 07/02/2023 17:36:41    2457124

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The obsession with a tiny, tiny amount of people being a little bit happier and comfortable is really weird.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13594 - 07/02/2023 21:44:27    2457162

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Fundamentalist Christianity has done far more harm than calling someone they

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20481 - 08/02/2023 09:43:33    2457174

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I'm in the camp that you can't argue with biology. It just is. Male and female. It's a largely common biological fact seen across many living organisms on this planet.
We're just another species, evolved from whatever hole dwelling rodent that was able to burrow to safety after a devastating meteror impact.

Biology is biology, you can't sit down and reason with this mechanism.

Now psychology... That's a whole different mess

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20481 - 08/02/2023 10:09:54    2457184

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Looking for new way's to excite the mind every day, boredom is a terrible thing.

In yesterday's Irish Mirror , A spokesperson for Atheist Ireland said, Quote, "It's not appropriate for schools to encourage children to make St. Bridgid's Crosses".
Baby steps and all that.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2775 - 08/02/2023 10:22:53    2457186

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I'm in the camp that you can't argue with biology. It just is. Male and female. It's a largely common biological fact seen across many living organisms on this planet.
We're just another species, evolved from whatever hole dwelling rodent that was able to burrow to safety after a devastating meteror impact.

Biology is biology, you can't sit down and reason with this mechanism.

Now psychology... That's a whole different mess"
Very true jimbob.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1525 - 08/02/2023 10:25:31    2457188

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Every one of us has been referred to as "they" thousands of times. Yet now if you ask to be referred to as they its's woke madness? People have reasons to be uncomfortable being referred to as he or she and I personally don't understand why people would be so rude/cruel to insist on doing it. Trans people live a tough life by all accounts and metrics, I'm not here to add to their suffering. Some people revel in it.

There are different gender roles in many different cultures today and all through history. Each to their own. Trans rights are human rights.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12021 - 08/02/2023 10:46:47    2457199

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Replying To MesAmis:  "The obsession with a tiny, tiny amount of people being a little bit happier and comfortable is really weird."
It's a culture war we've shamefully imported from Britain.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12021 - 08/02/2023 10:49:48    2457201

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Every one of us has been referred to as "they" thousands of times. Yet now if you ask to be referred to as they its's woke madness? People have reasons to be uncomfortable being referred to as he or she and I personally don't understand why people would be so rude/cruel to insist on doing it. Trans people live a tough life by all accounts and metrics, I'm not here to add to their suffering. Some people revel in it.

There are different gender roles in many different cultures today and all through history. Each to their own. Trans rights are human rights."
You must write for the Irish Times. In my opinion, Trans rights are not human rights when they conflict with the rights of actual women or try to ignore basic human biology.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 691 - 08/02/2023 11:23:07    2457215

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Every one of us has been referred to as "they" thousands of times. Yet now if you ask to be referred to as they its's woke madness? People have reasons to be uncomfortable being referred to as he or she and I personally don't understand why people would be so rude/cruel to insist on doing it. Trans people live a tough life by all accounts and metrics, I'm not here to add to their suffering. Some people revel in it.

There are different gender roles in many different cultures today and all through history. Each to their own. Trans rights are human rights."
Fair enough but this thing of people adding he/him to their email signatures and some employers expecting everyone to do the same is a type of social engineering, although very slight.

More and more suppliers I deal with at work have started this, a bald fella with a beard having to add he/him to make a minuscule amount of people feel more comfortable is demeaning nonsense in my opinion.

dolfos (Longford) - Posts: 88 - 08/02/2023 11:31:51    2457221

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Anyone claiming that "gender is a social construct" is off their tits. If you excuse the pun.

Gender is directly linked to biology. It's one and the same.

It's basically saying biology is a social construct. Think about that, pretty sure biology predates society by a number of billion years... but hey knock yourself out.

Easily led people that should put their phones away. The sorts that end up in cults, easily programmable, swayable individuals that can now clump together in their online communes.

I'm not interested in your delusions and neither are billions of other people. I would same type same to that Burke family.. keep your nonsense to yourself.

It's no coincidence that the rise in silliness above conicides with the advent of personal super computers in their hand 24/7 with an endless stream of information being pumped into their brains, it's a brand new phenomena and we are seeing the impacts of it.

Mindless algorithms in the background, completely unknown to them directly pumping reinforcing information into their heads day and night, regardless of its authenticity.

I'll happily call someone they if it cheers them up though. I'll be honest, it's never come up yet.

Same way as you don't call someone a fat *******

It's just good manners IMO.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20481 - 08/02/2023 11:45:43    2457228

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Replying To dolfos:  "Fair enough but this thing of people adding he/him to their email signatures and some employers expecting everyone to do the same is a type of social engineering, although very slight.

More and more suppliers I deal with at work have started this, a bald fella with a beard having to add he/him to make a minuscule amount of people feel more comfortable is demeaning nonsense in my opinion."
Ah Jaysus god love ya

I communicate with a lot of Asian people via email in work and their gender is rarely apparent to me from their name. I refer to them by name or they/them until I know. He/Him or She/her would be useful to see in their email signatures but clearly it's more important to make it a woke snowflake pc gone mad political issue at the expense of a tiny vulnerable minority

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12021 - 08/02/2023 11:59:06    2457231

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "You must write for the Irish Times. In my opinion, Trans rights are not human rights when they conflict with the rights of actual women or try to ignore basic human biology."
Can you let me know where trans people fit in to your hierarchy of human rights? Do you have a league table? If it's all down to biology then dna and ethnicity is also a factor in your standard for human rights? What kind of biological entity is the most human in your opinion?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12021 - 08/02/2023 12:08:01    2457234

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "That kid may well live to thank him some day unless the current madness persuades him into doing something that may disastrously change his life for the worse."
The reality for young trans people is that "the current madness" is more likely to persuade them to take their own lives. "The current madness" is more likely to result in adult trans people being murdered. Statistically this is objectively true.

I'll use they/them, if that's what they prefer, in that context but I guess that's my woke agenda

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12021 - 08/02/2023 12:38:39    2457243

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Replying To Breffni40:  "The reality for young trans people is that "the current madness" is more likely to persuade them to take their own lives. "The current madness" is more likely to result in adult trans people being murdered. Statistically this is objectively true.

I'll use they/them, if that's what they prefer, in that context but I guess that's my woke agenda"
There's a healthy middle ground of woke that is harmless and for the large part constructive

But then there's a far left agenda that needs to be reigned in and it's pushing many middle ground people to be right leaning.

The far left is getting more conservative by the day.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20481 - 08/02/2023 13:15:05    2457250

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Can you let me know where trans people fit in to your hierarchy of human rights? Do you have a league table? If it's all down to biology then dna and ethnicity is also a factor in your standard for human rights? What kind of biological entity is the most human in your opinion?"
It is all down to biology. You are getting there.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 691 - 08/02/2023 16:47:04    2457326

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Replying To jimbodub:  "There's a healthy middle ground of woke that is harmless and for the large part constructive

But then there's a far left agenda that needs to be reigned in and it's pushing many middle ground people to be right leaning.

The far left is getting more conservative by the day."
Extremists of any type have no place in a functioning society. I wish they'd all just head off to another planet and leave the rest of us in peace. They can go at each other as long as they want.
A lot of this right-left stuff is nonsense. I see the same personality traits in extremists, no matter what their persuasion is labelled as.
Intolerance and cultish behaviour are two common factors. That's cultish by the way. :)
Spending most of their day online fighting an imaginary battle against people who are just as ignorant.
Similar to Hogan Stand when the championship starts, I suppose. :)

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1750 - 09/02/2023 12:56:02    2457442

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "It is all down to biology. You are getting there."
Pretty weak contribution to be honest

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12021 - 09/02/2023 16:13:21    2457503

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There's nobody as far right as the far left :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8441 - 09/02/2023 17:23:27    2457518

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