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Leitrim 1994 Connacht senior success was due to some very competitive U21 teams, reached a few Connacht finals at the time and winning one against Galway in 1991. Club football in Leitrim was strong at the time also with Ballinamore, Aughawillan reaching senior Connacht finals. The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3739 - 19/05/2022 20:08:24 2418811 Link 1 |
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No need to apologise but accept it all the same. Thank you.
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 19/05/2022 20:41:01 2418819 Link 0 |
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Never said he had an agenda, that you put in commas like it was what exactly like I said. I have have argued against their points, many times. Isn't that the point of a forum? And have provided that data to back it up too. I've come into discussions with that, and provided a counter. That's not an agenda
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 20/05/2022 09:44:50 2418843 Link 0 |
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I see you've ignored the point on youth, but happily jump onto the B Championship one as if it proves your point of view. If the B Championship was so good, why was it not kept on? A defunct tournament is hardly showing us the way. And when you take out teams that clearly had youth teams doing well leading up to it, what of those B winners actually did anything after their win? Seeing as you're so for the Tailteann as it is, saying how good it will be for teams who win it, how do we expect teams to push on from it when all available data over the years shows that winning a Tier below does practically nothing for them? We'll likely see the same here again. Teams with a good youth structure, and who probably shouldn't even be in the Tailteann, are the ones who in all likeliness will win it. It won't work for the teams who need it most. And it ignores the issues we all know is there. And which you ignore too. Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 20/05/2022 09:52:01 2418847 Link 0 |
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Sorry I wasn't talking to you
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 20/05/2022 09:57:39 2418849 Link 0 |
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The GPA are on board because the Tailteann winner qualifies for the Sam Maguire 16 of the following year. That's the key. Players understand and respect having to win the Tailteann when in Divisions 3 and 4, to gain entry to the Sam Maguire. Everybody wins!
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7811 - 20/05/2022 10:16:55 2418861 Link 0 |
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I have no problem with the thinking of some that all posters are potential Trolls but it only comes to the surface of a very small few, there is three separate threads here that is carrying belittling and /or insulting comments, what I can't understand is why the so called decent posters let it go and get into chat with them. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2907 - 20/05/2022 10:21:44 2418863 Link 0 |
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I'll just let this here for you.... "Our industrious Kerry man coming to tell us, yet again, what we should do. Honestly, have you shares in this? Your obsession with telling others what they should do regarding this system, and whether they're responsible or not, is breathtaking. Take a day off please, it literally doesn't concern you" oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 20/05/2022 10:27:31 2418867 Link 1 |
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I don't know, I think the likes of Leitrim, Antrim, Sligo etc could get a lot out of it. We'll have games at or just above our level the whole way through and a prize worth playing for. The teams to get least out of it would be a team that would qualify for Sam Maguire most seasons but overall the system change is good for that team because they will get more Sam Maguire fixtures overall. Honestly more games at the right level was the driving force of this and whilst it's not the structure I'd go for personally it will be a step in the right direction next year. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 20/05/2022 10:41:08 2418874 Link 5 |
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There's never going to be a perfect solution, like with any sport, but people who dismiss it before it even starts are part of the problem. This idea of every county having a "right" to play for the Sam Maguire is part of the problem as well. I can never understand why players are happy to play in the championship they're never going to get anywhere in. The set up isn't perfect but teams are getting the best of both worlds. If they want to be in the running for the Sam Maguire they either move up the divisions in the league or make their provisional finals. If they don't they move to the second tier. Putting them into higher divisions and throwing money at them isn't going to solve anything. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 20/05/2022 11:11:30 2418880 Link 0 |
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And again you ignore. No one is doubting they're on board (for how long though?), but about the comment I made, that doing this will be no good without other changes? And that winning a B type Championship will do no good for the bulk of the teams who it really needs to help... Like who did it really help in the 90s? If you're so sure that a Tier 2 is a good thing for them, then it should show this to back up your point. But I can't see it. Gaining entry to Sam once (for a winner that lets be honest probably shouldn't be in the Tailteann in the first place) is hardly the main thing here for weak counties, is it? You ignore the elephant in the room. Around 10 counties down there will never win this. It'll be a round robin from next year. The cream will rise when it's not strict knock out. That one off game win will be gone. So the winners will be top Division 3 counties, or Division 2 relegated teams, who will very likely be promoted next year anyway. So who wins? Not everybody, that's for sure Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 20/05/2022 11:33:46 2418888 Link 0 |
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Will it though? And what then? Will this just end up being your level forever? An odd excursion up a level for a year, with likely instant return and go again. Where's the system or structure for a team to jump a level, and be in a position to stay there? Without any structures in youth, or a system that maybe allows a team to go up for more than a one off year, it will show to just widen the gap and make the jump harder and harder
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 20/05/2022 11:37:20 2418891 Link 0 |
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And you think that they don't have an agenda, which they've constantly pushed? I pointed out numerous issues with their posts, and replied back with information and actual data looking back over the Leagues, Championship, and youth. That's not an agenda on my part, I'm pointing out how it is more nuanced than that. I want a Tier 2 type of competition to work, as I have said many times. But we don't need to listen to patronising tones from that poster from a big county about 'decent supporters' and 'decent counties' about taking this bad layout seriously, as if weak counties should be happy with the bare minimum, and a joke of a system... I don't have an agenda, but I'll point out and highlight when something is clearly bad
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 20/05/2022 11:45:11 2418898 Link 0 |
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Right, there's no perfect solution. But why introduce a clearly bad one that ignores many of the issues? I've highlighted these above, I don't need to list them again
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 20/05/2022 11:46:18 2418899 Link 0 |
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Cavan have a great opportunity for a great summer. Croke Park success already this year. Cavan have the potential to win a Tailteann semi-final and final in Croke Park. Enjoy it!
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7811 - 20/05/2022 11:51:04 2418903 Link 0 |
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Again your solutions don't actually address anything. All you want us teams to be moved up just for the sake of it. Again how does that actually help anything? You also want money to be thrown at these counties and that's going to be the answer to everything. You're trying to claim that "weaker" counties are going to miss out on winning provisional titles etc with these changes. You try to claim these changes in the past made no difference to counties success they had after when it's not really the case. You and others claim they've had won them anyway with nothing to black it up. You claim Clare won the Munster championship on the back of qualifying for Munster finals at underage, ignoring the fact they were hammered in all of those finals. oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 20/05/2022 12:00:18 2418908 Link 0 |
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I don't think it's clearly bad from next year. This year's was stupid and we know the reason for it John Horan wanted a 2nd tier championship to be his legacy and rushed something through. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 20/05/2022 12:00:49 2418909 Link 5 |
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I think there's a system to move up a level and stay there. A team like Cavan could go from being in Sam Maguire 60% of years to 90% of years. They're getting 3 group games and 2 of those against division 1 teams. If they're consistently a Sam Maguire level team they are probably getting to last 12 and quarterfinals on occasions. You're talking 5 competitive championship fixtures here. You're right in saying there are 6 teams with a gap to the rest because they are playing division 1, you did excellent research on that but the Sam Maguire has a chance at widening that group because it is opening it up to a further 8 more teams than the National league. That's the big improvement and I'd say that the Sam Maguire being in the Summer and the primary competition should make it the most impactful competition for development. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4195 - 20/05/2022 12:07:08 2418910 Link 5 |
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I'm really not that bothered. Like I'll go and it'll be good to win it, but you (yet again) miss the point. I know Cavan are better than this level as we've shown last 5 seasons. We're here as they drew the tiers on leagues, which we didn't concentrate on. This competition shouldn't be just about a team who drops to this level for a year or so. We know they'll be good enough. What about the 10 or so usual teams who will be down in this all the time? They're never winning this, but I know you'll ignore it again
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 20/05/2022 12:32:48 2418914 Link 0 |
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Still not great with still dividing it on geographic location and still linking it to League. Like it's better, no doubt, but still many major flaws. My concern is the bad layout this year could sink it before it really ever gets going
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2378 - 20/05/2022 12:34:40 2418915 Link 0 |