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Replying To katser:  "And a whopping big thumbs up for you!!
They have to be the most sensitive insecure folk in the world!!"
Still in the Championship kid. Beats cutting turf or whatever it is you do!!

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 07/07/2022 17:39:20    2430371

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Replying To Canuck:  ""The head that wears the crown is a heavy head" . Those Limerick people being proud and standing up for their team is despicable. How dare they anyway having success when it only belong to a chosen few."
Is that the Waterford version? I thought the phrase is " Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown " from Shakespeare's play King Henry IV (Act 3 scene1). Shakespeare better watch out, saying stuff like that! He'll have half the Hoganstand fraternity chasing him!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 07/07/2022 18:27:01    2430382

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Replying To Viking66:  "Least they have a crown to make their head heavy Canuck. Better than just a heavy fat arrogant head with no crown!!!"
True.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3088 - 07/07/2022 18:36:34    2430384

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ya I said on another post that Casey was trying to get too involved in general play against Galway...he passed midfield twice...that wont happen in the final. 1 on 1 though Casey is very strong in the air for a small full back.He has serous cover beside and in front too"
At times tiobraid Casey was standing on his own on the 45 yard line for Limerick puckouts and Quaid gave it to him. We all know he's not as comfortable on the ball as Finn and especially Nash and when he took the ball from the 45 he wasn't making smart decisions and gave away a few loose passes and overshot the full forward line at 1 stage. Casey is a lot more content just defending around the square even though he took a step the wrong way for the goal and paid dearly but when was the last time a first time ball like that worked out in a big game. Look at Daithi Burke generally seen as the best in the business and when the right ball was coming into Gillane at times he looked lost and out of his depth.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 901 - 07/07/2022 21:41:24    2430390

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Replying To Rockies:  "Just a note that Jamesie O'Connor made. Limerick have 2 excellent corner backs. Cody probably will try to isolate full forward vs full back. Casey did not look confident against Galway, also sent a few passes astray. He might do fine in final, but Cody will be looking at options here!"
To add to the Jonny Glynn saga, Casey was practically going on one leg that day for about a half an hour, before he had to go off. And remember the 'bould' Jonny absolutely ran through the Cork defence in 2015- a fine player was Jonny.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4501 - 08/07/2022 08:10:50    2430394

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Replying To baire:  "They could have been caught out twice last Sunday if Whelan had spotted Concannon alone on the edge of the square, in 65th minute. As well as that CC has been poor in the air, both against KK in the LF and against LK. Not only that, but he gave away the sliotar cheaply four times in the second half, at least two of those mistakes resulted in LK points."
All immaterial, Semi Finals are there to
be won. Looking back at the game Limerick players made mistakes that to Galway scores as well. All in the game

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4501 - 08/07/2022 08:24:44    2430395

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Replying To baire:  "You think they are invincible! B Cody will be delighted with that attitude!"
He never said they were invincible or did any of us and if we are beaten on the 17th, we will take it on chin, congratulate KK as worthy winners and still be proud of the fact that we had beaten the Haughty Cats in four of the nine finals those proud Hurling sides have contested

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4501 - 08/07/2022 08:33:55    2430396

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Replying To baire:  "If you think your backs cleared everything with ease in the last 10 minutes you obviously weren't at the game OTM!"
I surely was. Cusack Stand Section 307 ,V 18. A most admirable location for the task in hand. The simple fact, as both Ballydullane and Tiobraid seem to agree on, is that with towering men around men like Hannon, Nash, Byrne's, Dmand even KH around at the death, plus skillful performers like Finn and Casey about, route one was never a great option

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4501 - 08/07/2022 08:44:48    2430397

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ya I said on another post that Casey was trying to get too involved in general play against Galway...he passed midfield twice...that wont happen in the final. 1 on 1 though Casey is very strong in the air for a small full back.He has serous cover beside and in front too"
I agree tiobraid. Barry nash was man marked in the semi final. First time in my life I've seen it. A corner back man marked. Shefflin clearly wanted casey as the first receiver. Mike set up a few scores early as he was receiving puck outs 40 yards from his goal as he was left free with cathal mannion playing sweeper. I think Mike might have got a small bit over exposed up the field as it was imo a start enough move by shefflin. I don't see cody giving limerick the puck out short and Mike will be in a more traditional placing throughout the final.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 08/07/2022 09:39:48    2430402

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I surely was. Cusack Stand Section 307 ,V 18. A most admirable location for the task in hand. The simple fact, as both Ballydullane and Tiobraid seem to agree on, is that with towering men around men like Hannon, Nash, Byrne's, Dmand even KH around at the death, plus skillful performers like Finn and Casey about, route one was never a great option"
What you said was not factual OTM and you know it! There was nothing easy for your backs at any stage of that game. That game was still alive until the final whistle and your backs were under a lot of pressure. There was a Limerick couple beside me and I thought one, if not both of them, would end up in the Mater hospital such was their anxiety in the last 15 minutes. As for the 2018 final there was the same panic or even worse amongst your supporters in the final few minutes of that game. That's the way it should be in a tight championship game but don't give me this guff about being in control and that it was easy!
WE can all pick out various incidents in games and do neat analysis like the RTE pundits but in a tight game of hurling we know that life is anything but neat and simple. Limerick won because they took their scores better than Galway, especially Gillane who had a bigger influence on the result than anyone else.
The loss of Gearóid Mac was a factor and having to take J Cooney's out of the forwards lessoned Galway's scoring power upfront. The few Galway supporters I met after the game, supporters who know their hurling, were furious with the Galway management for persisting with a certain player who has underperformed in each of the last 3 games and cost us at least three points last Sunday.
Limerick got all the marginal calls in the second half. The Waterford ref was the same ref that cost us a win in Wexford Park in the first round of the championship and I'm not alone in saying that he did Galway no favours again last Sunday. Even if he were an objective ref it doesn't look right to have a Munster ref on duty when a Munster team is playing Galway. Why not a Leinster or an Ulster ref?
You praise your backs and rightly so, but the Galway backs were just as good.
Limerick were the better team because they made the difference where it matters, on the scoreboard.
I wasn't criticising Limerick when I referred to Galway's goal chances, Limerick are a great team but don't fool yourselves into thinking that your backs were impenetrable.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 08/07/2022 10:31:46    2430421

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Baire can I ask you if you think it suits limerick having Colm lyons as final ref??the man who sent gearoid hegarty off in ennis for no apparent reason..the man who missed a penalty shout for Wexford in the match v Clare..going by your logic no munster or leinster ref should be doing the final..I can only name possibly 2 from outside the provinces,Gordon from Galway but ye play in leinster,that leaves only ulster and I can't name to many from there..there is a gunning or cunning from Antrim..we got a few calls on our side last Sunday..I don't think our backs were under a whole lot of pressure,I judge on what a keeper does,Nicky had no shot apart from the goal and Murphy had nothing to save..this was due to the number of shots taken from way outfield by both teams..looking forward to a great final..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2536 - 08/07/2022 12:10:16    2430463

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Replying To baire:  "What you said was not factual OTM and you know it! There was nothing easy for your backs at any stage of that game. That game was still alive until the final whistle and your backs were under a lot of pressure. There was a Limerick couple beside me and I thought one, if not both of them, would end up in the Mater hospital such was their anxiety in the last 15 minutes. As for the 2018 final there was the same panic or even worse amongst your supporters in the final few minutes of that game. That's the way it should be in a tight championship game but don't give me this guff about being in control and that it was easy!
WE can all pick out various incidents in games and do neat analysis like the RTE pundits but in a tight game of hurling we know that life is anything but neat and simple. Limerick won because they took their scores better than Galway, especially Gillane who had a bigger influence on the result than anyone else.
The loss of Gearóid Mac was a factor and having to take J Cooney's out of the forwards lessoned Galway's scoring power upfront. The few Galway supporters I met after the game, supporters who know their hurling, were furious with the Galway management for persisting with a certain player who has underperformed in each of the last 3 games and cost us at least three points last Sunday.
Limerick got all the marginal calls in the second half. The Waterford ref was the same ref that cost us a win in Wexford Park in the first round of the championship and I'm not alone in saying that he did Galway no favours again last Sunday. Even if he were an objective ref it doesn't look right to have a Munster ref on duty when a Munster team is playing Galway. Why not a Leinster or an Ulster ref?
You praise your backs and rightly so, but the Galway backs were just as good.
Limerick were the better team because they made the difference where it matters, on the scoreboard.
I wasn't criticising Limerick when I referred to Galway's goal chances, Limerick are a great team but don't fool yourselves into thinking that your backs were impenetrable."
You make some very good points. I'd agree with nearly all of it to be fair. To say limerick got ALL the marginal calls in the entire 2nd half is where you let yourself down a bit. Limerick got the rub of the green I'll admit in one or two cases absolutely.

The ref was not a factor in the winning of the match for me. He pulled hayes and fahy for overcarrying which both were harsh and pulled Burke and WoD for throws which were in fact throws.

That was Galways best performance arguably since winning the AI for me.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 08/07/2022 12:13:00    2430464

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Replying To baire:  "What you said was not factual OTM and you know it! There was nothing easy for your backs at any stage of that game. That game was still alive until the final whistle and your backs were under a lot of pressure. There was a Limerick couple beside me and I thought one, if not both of them, would end up in the Mater hospital such was their anxiety in the last 15 minutes. As for the 2018 final there was the same panic or even worse amongst your supporters in the final few minutes of that game. That's the way it should be in a tight championship game but don't give me this guff about being in control and that it was easy!
WE can all pick out various incidents in games and do neat analysis like the RTE pundits but in a tight game of hurling we know that life is anything but neat and simple. Limerick won because they took their scores better than Galway, especially Gillane who had a bigger influence on the result than anyone else.
The loss of Gearóid Mac was a factor and having to take J Cooney's out of the forwards lessoned Galway's scoring power upfront. The few Galway supporters I met after the game, supporters who know their hurling, were furious with the Galway management for persisting with a certain player who has underperformed in each of the last 3 games and cost us at least three points last Sunday.
Limerick got all the marginal calls in the second half. The Waterford ref was the same ref that cost us a win in Wexford Park in the first round of the championship and I'm not alone in saying that he did Galway no favours again last Sunday. Even if he were an objective ref it doesn't look right to have a Munster ref on duty when a Munster team is playing Galway. Why not a Leinster or an Ulster ref?
You praise your backs and rightly so, but the Galway backs were just as good.
Limerick were the better team because they made the difference where it matters, on the scoreboard.
I wasn't criticising Limerick when I referred to Galway's goal chances, Limerick are a great team but don't fool yourselves into thinking that your backs were impenetrable."
Correction: ….'having to take J Cooney out of the half forwards lessened Galway's scoring power upfront'

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 08/07/2022 12:50:22    2430476

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Replying To daveboy:  "You make some very good points. I'd agree with nearly all of it to be fair. To say limerick got ALL the marginal calls in the entire 2nd half is where you let yourself down a bit. Limerick got the rub of the green I'll admit in one or two cases absolutely.

The ref was not a factor in the winning of the match for me. He pulled hayes and fahy for overcarrying which both were harsh and pulled Burke and WoD for throws which were in fact throws.

That was Galways best performance arguably since winning the AI for me."
I'm not saying the ref or indeed Gearoid Mac's absence cost us the match, they were minor factors. It was Limerick's scoring efficiency, as I said that won the game for ye.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 08/07/2022 13:31:29    2430492

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Replying To Rockies:  "Is that the Waterford version? I thought the phrase is " Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown " from Shakespeare's play King Henry IV (Act 3 scene1). Shakespeare better watch out, saying stuff like that! He'll have half the Hoganstand fraternity chasing him!"
I think it was a Waterford orator also came up with the phrase "you wouldn't hit a bull in the balls with a banjo ". P Flavin missed pull second half junior hurling match (last act) Walsh Park 1971.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3088 - 08/07/2022 13:48:50    2430496

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Baire can I ask you if you think it suits limerick having Colm lyons as final ref??the man who sent gearoid hegarty off in ennis for no apparent reason..the man who missed a penalty shout for Wexford in the match v Clare..going by your logic no munster or leinster ref should be doing the final..I can only name possibly 2 from outside the provinces,Gordon from Galway but ye play in leinster,that leaves only ulster and I can't name to many from there..there is a gunning or cunning from Antrim..we got a few calls on our side last Sunday..I don't think our backs were under a whole lot of pressure,I judge on what a keeper does,Nicky had no shot apart from the goal and Murphy had nothing to save..this was due to the number of shots taken from way outfield by both teams..looking forward to a great final.."
Hegarty was lucky not to get a straight red against Clare - Strike or attempted strike is Red. A few years ago he would have been a shoe in for a part in Game of Thrones with the way he was waving his hurl about in that incident.

Rogers hurl being pulled in the square against Wexford - is that the obvious penalty you are talking about?

What about the square balls that day..

What window do you look out?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1469 - 08/07/2022 13:51:17    2430497

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Baire can I ask you if you think it suits limerick having Colm lyons as final ref??the man who sent gearoid hegarty off in ennis for no apparent reason..the man who missed a penalty shout for Wexford in the match v Clare..going by your logic no munster or leinster ref should be doing the final..I can only name possibly 2 from outside the provinces,Gordon from Galway but ye play in leinster,that leaves only ulster and I can't name to many from there..there is a gunning or cunning from Antrim..we got a few calls on our side last Sunday..I don't think our backs were under a whole lot of pressure,I judge on what a keeper does,Nicky had no shot apart from the goal and Murphy had nothing to save..this was due to the number of shots taken from way outfield by both teams..looking forward to a great final.."
Galway are a team from Connacht that now plays in what is called the Leinster championship. The Galway hurlers are proud Connacht men as are Antrim proud Ulster men. To be fair to Galway and Antrim the name should be changed but I wouldn't hold my breath! I don't recall ever seeing a Connacht ref reffing a game in which Galway played.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 08/07/2022 14:09:55    2430502

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Replying To baire:  "Galway are a team from Connacht that now plays in what is called the Leinster championship. The Galway hurlers are proud Connacht men as are Antrim proud Ulster men. To be fair to Galway and Antrim the name should be changed but I wouldn't hold my breath! I don't recall ever seeing a Connacht ref reffing a game in which Galway played."
You are playing in the Leinster championship by invite Baire. If you don't like it you can always go back to the Connacht championship.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16156 - 08/07/2022 15:31:14    2430514

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Replying To baire:  "Galway are a team from Connacht that now plays in what is called the Leinster championship. The Galway hurlers are proud Connacht men as are Antrim proud Ulster men. To be fair to Galway and Antrim the name should be changed but I wouldn't hold my breath! I don't recall ever seeing a Connacht ref reffing a game in which Galway played."
It would have been difficult with three provinces involved in the game and only Ulster tp pick from. However I looked at the game again and not putting too muck credence on t.v. views I think our guy was a bit suspect on calls against Galway for frees and some similar or maybe worse not called for them. It didn't cost Galway the game as much as ballooning balls wide and and missing a free that an under 12 would score.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3088 - 08/07/2022 16:47:55    2430538

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Replying To baire:  "What you said was not factual OTM and you know it! There was nothing easy for your backs at any stage of that game. That game was still alive until the final whistle and your backs were under a lot of pressure. There was a Limerick couple beside me and I thought one, if not both of them, would end up in the Mater hospital such was their anxiety in the last 15 minutes. As for the 2018 final there was the same panic or even worse amongst your supporters in the final few minutes of that game. That's the way it should be in a tight championship game but don't give me this guff about being in control and that it was easy!
WE can all pick out various incidents in games and do neat analysis like the RTE pundits but in a tight game of hurling we know that life is anything but neat and simple. Limerick won because they took their scores better than Galway, especially Gillane who had a bigger influence on the result than anyone else.
The loss of Gearóid Mac was a factor and having to take J Cooney's out of the forwards lessoned Galway's scoring power upfront. The few Galway supporters I met after the game, supporters who know their hurling, were furious with the Galway management for persisting with a certain player who has underperformed in each of the last 3 games and cost us at least three points last Sunday.
Limerick got all the marginal calls in the second half. The Waterford ref was the same ref that cost us a win in Wexford Park in the first round of the championship and I'm not alone in saying that he did Galway no favours again last Sunday. Even if he were an objective ref it doesn't look right to have a Munster ref on duty when a Munster team is playing Galway. Why not a Leinster or an Ulster ref?
You praise your backs and rightly so, but the Galway backs were just as good.
Limerick were the better team because they made the difference where it matters, on the scoreboard.
I wasn't criticising Limerick when I referred to Galway's goal chances, Limerick are a great team but don't fool yourselves into thinking that your backs were impenetrable."
Baire, just a few points. You were missing Gearoid McInernerey and we were missing Peter Casey and Cian Lynch. You contend that the ref was givinhg all these soft calls to limerick. If he was how come we got 1 free in the first twenty minutes of the game at a time when Hegarty, Tom Morrissey and Gullane seemed to be pulled and dragged, all over the place as balls rained down on the Galway Backline. I myself and several Limerick were incensed at our forwards failure to get a single free. Kyle Hayes was also wrongly penalised f over carrying the ball, when he should have got a free in. I saw the rerun of the match last night and I now that he favoured neither side, that he could called for frees on both sided, and that generally the frees he gave on all sides were frees. I thought he got most call OK, What about some supporters panicking, I for one was reasonably calm once I saw those High balls being pumped into our square. I never would suggest our backs are impenetrable, but all the goals that were got again them last year and this except Concannon, were by the dent of slick passing of the ball, as opposed to coming from dropping balls coming directly into the Square. The sight of Connor Whelan, a player I have hugely respected for years, going for a point, when a goal chance was on, was also reassuring.
I know all about management making mistakes, we have seen plenty mistakes made by Limerick managements over the years.
But for all that Baire, I always think the best team wins and as Eamon Cregan and John Kiely said in the examples I gave, you just have to get back on the horse. Galway have plenty emerging talent to be the new Limerick in the next few years.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4501 - 08/07/2022 16:55:21    2430540

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