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Replying To Ronanthehammer: "Although we are in a mess. I don't think it will be as easy as everyone predicts. Although I think Monaghan will win I think Down have nothing to lose and that's when we are at our most dangerous." Would like to think your right , In order for us to beat Monaghan , we would need to score at least 18 to 20 points ,sadly i dont see that happening , germac (Down) - Posts: 534 - 27/04/2022 20:23:23 2413736 Link
Replying To Ronanthehammer: "Although we are in a mess. I don't think it will be as easy as everyone predicts. Although I think Monaghan will win I think Down have nothing to lose and that's when we are at our most dangerous." Think we will win but certainly not predicting an easy match. Monaghan rarely do easy and think apart from 16 Down have always given us our fill in fact have better record in recent times in ulster championship encounters. Yeah agree Down could hit fire as nothing to lose and could have siege mentality being written off. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 27/04/2022 21:49:55 2413749 Link
In the time since Monaghan last played Down in 2017, they have only had one convincing win in Ulster (Tyrone 2018). The remaining games have either been struggles and losses against supposed weaker opposition, and surrendering of large leads on the scoreboard. The league has papered over the realities in championship. That is why the most ardent Monaghan supporters are a bit twitchy this week. A home game against a team in freefall and a tilt at Tyrone on the horizon- sure what could go wrong?! The personnel on good days and bad have been largely the same- the same team that was demolished by Kildare beat Dublin- so it comes down to attitude and management calls on the day. In that context, Monaghan need to cut out the messing and impose themselves hard and early. Duffy and McAnespie to tie down O'Hagan and Mooney would be a start. Boyle and Ryan Wylie (he needs a big game) make up the full back line. Beggan to stay home for the 70+ minutes. Fintan Kelly and O'Connell for a half each to fill a one spot in defence allowing McCarthy to do what he does best. Kearns and Hughes a no brainer. Woods, Jack and Bannigan as half forwards with McManus, Mohan and McCarthy up top. Hold K.Hughes in reserve. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 28/04/2022 14:33:37 2413888 Link
Replying To Eddie the Exile: "In the time since Monaghan last played Down in 2017, they have only had one convincing win in Ulster (Tyrone 2018). The remaining games have either been struggles and losses against supposed weaker opposition, and surrendering of large leads on the scoreboard. The league has papered over the realities in championship. That is why the most ardent Monaghan supporters are a bit twitchy this week. A home game against a team in freefall and a tilt at Tyrone on the horizon- sure what could go wrong?! The personnel on good days and bad have been largely the same- the same team that was demolished by Kildare beat Dublin- so it comes down to attitude and management calls on the day. In that context, Monaghan need to cut out the messing and impose themselves hard and early. Duffy and McAnespie to tie down O'Hagan and Mooney would be a start. Boyle and Ryan Wylie (he needs a big game) make up the full back line. Beggan to stay home for the 70+ minutes. Fintan Kelly and O'Connell for a half each to fill a one spot in defence allowing McCarthy to do what he does best. Kearns and Hughes a no brainer. Woods, Jack and Bannigan as half forwards with McManus, Mohan and McCarthy up top. Hold K.Hughes in reserve." The problem we have in Down is we don't know who has really left the panel and who are available because of injury. We had so many injuries during the league and that was minus the Kilcoo boys. Have the kilcoo boys returned??? Who is available that wasn't during the league because of Injuries??? I have never witnessed morale so low in a county that prides itself in self belief. Ronanthehammer (Down) - Posts: 48 - 28/04/2022 16:11:26 2413920 Link
Would love to see Banty throw a spanner in the works and start ryan farrelly on the edge of the square down wouldn't be able to handle it and wouldn't know what to do Bantysbabes123 (Monaghan) - Posts: 21 - 28/04/2022 17:52:10 2413938 Link
Banty has never had a problem with throwing spanners in the works...problem is that sometimes those works are ours, not the oppositions... moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 441 - 29/04/2022 11:01:27 2414011 Link
Replying To Bantysbabes123: "Would love to see Banty throw a spanner in the works and start ryan farrelly on the edge of the square down wouldn't be able to handle it and wouldn't know what to do" Full marks for persistency Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 29/04/2022 11:47:41 2414037 Link
Good article on Jack in the Irish news. Despite people saying he is just a league player he was our best forward in last year's championship and missed 19 and 20 mostly through injury which he has had rotten luck with. Some interesting comments from malachy. Acknowledging undoubted ability of Jack he unsurprisingly conceded they were a lot of the time keen to get workers or athletes in the team ahead of him over the years with McManus the main man. The same applied to Paul Finlay in his latter years also and makes one wonder did we get the best out of the forward talent in the county with emphasis on workhorses more than scoring forwards. Of course a lot of this was down to having a generational talent in mcmanus able to nearly carry the scoring load single handed. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 29/04/2022 12:22:22 2414047 Link
Replying To mhunicean_abu: "Or maybe give credit to Antrim for winning away at such a difficult venue, Or maybe only good thing about last night is that the promising players can still redeem themselves in the qualifiers Or maybe this group has already done themselves and their county proud by finishing second to a very good Tyrone team in the league Depends on what agenda one wants to pursue I suppose" Wasn't at last weeks game. Very surprised by the result. I'll be making the spin to athletic grounds tonight. Let's get behind these young fellas and hope it's the start of a brilliant wknd for Monaghan men and ladies! Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 29/04/2022 12:29:50 2414050 Link
Replying To Ronanthehammer: "The problem we have in Down is we don't know who has really left the panel and who are available because of injury. We had so many injuries during the league and that was minus the Kilcoo boys. Have the kilcoo boys returned??? Who is available that wasn't during the league because of Injuries??? I have never witnessed morale so low in a county that prides itself in self belief." Ryan McAvoy is the only kilcoo player on the panel, Ceilum Doherty has left Jerome johnston left ( He's out injured ) Paul Devlin wasn't asked to join panel, Neill Kane ( keeper not sure but would expect Rory Burns to start ) not sure about Aaron Morgan. Added to Liam Kerr and Peter Fegan from Burren and Finn McElroy from Longstone who have left and heading to america your looking at 6 lads on that list who would be starting tomorrow. i want to say something positive but i can't we will get a tanking tomorrow then more players will leave the panel the county is in a shambles. Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 705 - 29/04/2022 12:37:50 2414052 Link
Replying To Yourjoking: "Ryan McAvoy is the only kilcoo player on the panel, Ceilum Doherty has left Jerome johnston left ( He's out injured ) Paul Devlin wasn't asked to join panel, Neill Kane ( keeper not sure but would expect Rory Burns to start ) not sure about Aaron Morgan. Added to Liam Kerr and Peter Fegan from Burren and Finn McElroy from Longstone who have left and heading to america your looking at 6 lads on that list who would be starting tomorrow. i want to say something positive but i can't we will get a tanking tomorrow then more players will leave the panel the county is in a shambles." I agree that the county is in a shambles but I was reading an article by Ross Carr and he stated what I already knew. This demise has been happening for over at least the last 15 years. 1. Underage teams haven't achieved- structure all wrong. We have some of the top performing schools in Ulster yet are getting nowhere. Why??? 2. Why are we 25 years behind Tyrone in building our centre of excellence. As I mentioned before Tyrone started there centre in 1994 after we tanked them. Why??? 3. Our best players won't play senior football for the county. Why??? Until all these issues are addressed we will remain in free fall. This will take years to address. Ronanthehammer (Down) - Posts: 48 - 29/04/2022 13:57:57 2414061 Link
Monaghan team named: Rory Beggan Kieran Duffy Conor Boyle Ryan Wylie Ryan McAnespie Dessie Ward Conor McCarthy Darren Hughes Niall Kearns Andrew Woods Kieran Hughes Micheál Bannigan Jack McCarron Gary Mohan Conor McManus Defence and midfield not too surprising, but I like the look of the attack there, good blend of youth and experience. Plenty of scoring potential while probably the most physical presence we've had in the forward line for a good while, with the introduction of Woods and Mohan. Mind you there could be a change or two yet. patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 29/04/2022 19:53:06 2414089 Link
MONAGHAN (SFC v Down) - R Beggan; K Duffy, C Boyle, R Wylie; R McAnespie, D Ward, C McCarthy; D Hughes, N Kearns; A Woods, K Hughes, M Bannigan; J McCarron, G Mohan, C McManus. That's a strong lineup.. very attacking.. Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 801 - 29/04/2022 21:12:50 2414098 Link
Replying To Blueblood4life: "Wasn't at last weeks game. Very surprised by the result. I'll be making the spin to athletic grounds tonight. Let's get behind these young fellas and hope it's the start of a brilliant wknd for Monaghan men and ladies!" Did you go last night any reports regarding performance, they have a 50/50 chance of beating Down next up on form you would imagine mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 30/04/2022 11:55:51 2414135 Link
Replying To mhunicean_abu: "Did you go last night any reports regarding performance, they have a 50/50 chance of beating Down next up on form you would imagine" I did, and glad at that.. Was a super super performance. Brought a level of intensity and fitness in the first half that I've never seen in a minor team, absolutely blew Armagh away and should have been out of sight at half time. Spoke with a parent in the stand, the consensus was nerves and underperformance was to blame for last weeks "shock" defeat to what is seemingly a very good Antrim team. We've some big, strong extremely mobile men for 16-15 which is something we as a county have never been blessed with. There appears to have been a lot investment made in this group physically as it's as big a minor team we've ever had. Down next which from what I hear won't be straight forward but we got the better of them in the league by quiet the amount. Positives all around after a disappointing first round. Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 30/04/2022 21:40:13 2414270 Link
A professional performance yesterday and it was actually great to concede the two goals as we had to react to them instead of just going through the motions. Bigger tests await in the semi final. Hope Karl o connell is OK after his hit at the end but other than that we should be good to go for Tyrone or Derry. With 2 or 3 injuries and walk off the panel our bench doesn't look as strong as before especially in the forward department. Again biggerntests await and we will forget about this match and nothing will be based on it. monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 378 - 01/05/2022 10:28:29 2414308 Link
Replying To Blueblood4life: "I did, and glad at that.. Was a super super performance. Brought a level of intensity and fitness in the first half that I've never seen in a minor team, absolutely blew Armagh away and should have been out of sight at half time. Spoke with a parent in the stand, the consensus was nerves and underperformance was to blame for last weeks "shock" defeat to what is seemingly a very good Antrim team. We've some big, strong extremely mobile men for 16-15 which is something we as a county have never been blessed with. There appears to have been a lot investment made in this group physically as it's as big a minor team we've ever had. Down next which from what I hear won't be straight forward but we got the better of them in the league by quiet the amount. Positives all around after a disappointing first round." A good weekend for the County as you predicted, although the Ladies were always up against it. Both our Senior and minor teams will be hard to beat going forward. The seniors had a good workout against a very poor Down team, they did what they had to do and the 2 goals conceded, while taking the gloss off the victory, may well be a blessing in disguise, to focus the minds against complacency, which has cost this team over the years. I was particularly delighted that Jack got MOTM, carrying on from an impressive league. I can think of only one forward having a better season than him, half way through the season. So much for the "sheep in a heap" analysts that say he only performs in the league, given the impact his injuries have had in his championship campaigns to date. I would have given the honour to Kearns yesterday, thought he was back to his best. Mohan is a real find at full forward, more kick passing please Anyway this squad should fear no one and IMO have a free shot at an Ulster title, expectations are on Tyrone and/or Donegal. If we beat Tyrone (who would be hot favourites) we will beat Donegal or Cavan in the final at home providing there is no nonsense. Do disrespect intended to Derry. All in all good preparation for both teams for the future, thougher tests await as it should be mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 01/05/2022 12:42:15 2414344 Link
McCarron was our best forward last Summer and he is our best forward again this one by looks of things. Hopefully he can stay fit. Team done what they had to do yesterday v the worst Down side have ever seen. Agree the concession of the goals was a good thing to show weaknesses esp in our half back line which looks great offensively but less so defensively. Just hope if we do come up against tyrone we give it a right go as think suits this side better to press up and attack. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1799 - 01/05/2022 14:05:31 2414358 Link
Hard to take much away from yesterday, it was like a training session for the most part, outside of the two goals Down got, which weren't a factor for long as we pulled away quickly. Those will just add as a reminder not to switch off or be complacent at any point, so maybe a blessing in disguise on an otherwise uneventful day. Down were absolutely brutal, so can't read into the performance much. Solid debut from Mohan who adds another layer to the attack. And also good to see debuts from Woods, and then Leonard off the bench returning from injury. Was good to see a more direct game with quick ball into the FF line - with Mohan a target there now, it could be very effective on a dryer day. But again, much tougher tests are coming up. patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 01/05/2022 14:14:59 2414361 Link
We looked a brilliant outfit yesterday. Best display in a longtime. The only problem is that no disrespect to Down but they're not exactly settling the world on fire at the minute. The biggest test will be the semi final. It willbe a few notches up from the opposition yesterday. border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 01/05/2022 14:20:55 2414362 Link