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if the gaa cant be capable of appointing a ref who knows the basic rules of the game, then incidents like this will occur. im not condoning it but they have to be responsible too. the rule is quite clear.

player put up hand for advanced mark under rule he cannot play on must take mark. ref let him play on which he cannot do lost possession free out and winning score at other side and all in last minute game and all refs fault not knowing or implementing rule.

kavvie (Clare) - Posts: 505 - 12/12/2021 12:02:21    2392524

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Disgraceful scenes yet again at the end of a GAA match. Look at that picture here on Hoganstand, at least 6 players crowding the ref, physically and verbally abusing him. Look at the refs face, he's frightened. No wonder there's a shortage of refs.

No players or anyone else should be allowed anywhere near a ref at the end of the match. Get off the pitch and into the dressing rooms. If any team has any issues with the ref, they should address them to the relevant authorities."
Who are the relevant authorities that they are to go to? Who do they address these letters and emails too that won't have their season ended by poor refereeing

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 12/12/2021 12:09:54    2392525

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Replying To Farney1990:  "I think a few points have to come across here. The scenes at the end were ugly unfortunately.
But here we have a team probably training 9 plus months, 2 or 3 pitch sessions a week on top of the extra gym sessions involved at club level, particularly at the top level of the club game to be robbed by not one but two disgraceful decisions in the dying minutes.
This is a provincial club game (the big stage of the club game) so you've got your best teams and I suppose the best referees should be appointed too.
Yes there is going to be suspensions for the players (deservedly so I must add) but who is reviewing the referees performance? ? Surely at this level they have to be reviewed??"
That point about training, gyms is completely irrelevant. The ref can't be touched like that. End of story.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 810 - 12/12/2021 12:25:55    2392529

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Replying To Saynothing:  "What's the " yet again in GAA" got to do with it? No one should ever be near a ref but the way your writing about it you'd think it was just GAA. Looked bad defiantly yes but other sports need to sort it out also."
Excellent post. Fully agree. There will always be marginal calls that tend to favour 1 team or the other . Indeed mtbellew got the rub of the green v ballinamore who were rightly aggrieved. But yesterday took the biscuit. Not only were the balance of the marginal calls in Pearses favour, the outrageous and incorrect decision at the end cost the team, who in my opinion were the best team and would have been deserving winners. Some poster had the audacity to suggest the ball was kicked from inside the 45..... not even close

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 981 - 12/12/2021 12:45:44    2392532

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "That point about training, gyms is completely irrelevant. The ref can't be touched like that. End of story."
It's irrelevant to a player putting hands on a ref. That's completely inexcusable and will result in a suspension. I haven't seen anyone disagree with that.
However, it's not irrelevant to the disappointment experienced by the team who lost the match as a result of a very poor decision.
These are separate things. Whomever laid hands on the ref will get dealt with. No arguments from anyone.
Separately, the M/M contingent, players, management and supporters (the 99%+ who didn't touch the ref) have every right to be very aggrieved at a ref failing to apply a basic rule which cost them the match. They know the effort that went in to making it this far. They may never get an opportunity like this again.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2306 - 12/12/2021 13:06:07    2392538

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "That point about training, gyms is completely irrelevant. The ref can't be touched like that. End of story."
Nail on the head. Pearses had a couple of very dubious calls against them 2 years ago against Corofin when the game was in the melting pot. They didn't surround/assault the referee nor did they wreck the dressing room in the stadium after....
Nobody mentioned the weight training etc instead they behaved with a little class and came back stronger.
Good for them and heartiest congratulations.

SouthsideRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 89 - 12/12/2021 13:22:19    2392540

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Agree shouldn't happen no matter what. That said the player involved has just been part of one of the biggest games in recent history for his club and the game was decided by a terrible ref performance. Delighted to see Pearses win but Mountbellew were robbed. Ref decided game in the end"
Can you elaborate on the robbed comment. Having watched the full game online the slightly better team won. The one main talking point was that mark that wasn't given but who's to say it would be scored if given or that Pearses didn't score directly afterwards.

The lack of discipline from Mountbellew Moylough was ridiculous throughout that game, that more than anything else robbed themselves of victory and the scenes at the end of the game was totally uncalled for.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3605 - 12/12/2021 13:23:38    2392541

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Did any player make a mistake in that game yesterday? Just curious as if he did surely he was set upon by 6-7 irate teammates physically assaulting him and verbally abusing him?

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2136 - 12/12/2021 13:41:50    2392544

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Excellent post. Fully agree. There will always be marginal calls that tend to favour 1 team or the other . Indeed mtbellew got the rub of the green v ballinamore who were rightly aggrieved. But yesterday took the biscuit. Not only were the balance of the marginal calls in Pearses favour, the outrageous and incorrect decision at the end cost the team, who in my opinion were the best team and would have been deserving winners. Some poster had the audacity to suggest the ball was kicked from inside the 45..... not even close"
Not sure what game you were watching if you really thought Mountbellew was best team and would have been deserving winners?

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 12/12/2021 14:51:13    2392550

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "It's irrelevant to a player putting hands on a ref. That's completely inexcusable and will result in a suspension. I haven't seen anyone disagree with that.
However, it's not irrelevant to the disappointment experienced by the team who lost the match as a result of a very poor decision.
These are separate things. Whomever laid hands on the ref will get dealt with. No arguments from anyone.
Separately, the M/M contingent, players, management and supporters (the 99%+ who didn't touch the ref) have every right to be very aggrieved at a ref failing to apply a basic rule which cost them the match. They know the effort that went in to making it this far. They may never get an opportunity like this again."
Players should never put their hands on a ref end of and should and will be punished

Ref got some massive calls wrong and wasn't good enough to be in charge and the team are right to feel aggrieved

Both of these things can be true. I don't know why people can't see that

Ref had a horrible performance
Players should never have gotten physical

Players will answer and be punished for what they did but who will the Ref answer too? That was a mark he was looking right at it and it wasn't the only call he got wrong

Fairplay to Val Daly and Eoin Finnerty for doing post match interviews yesterday. Val is right who reviews refs performances? Who looks back on the tapes and judges a refs calls? Who does the Ref answer to?

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 12/12/2021 14:53:52    2392551

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Excellent post. Fully agree. There will always be marginal calls that tend to favour 1 team or the other . Indeed mtbellew got the rub of the green v ballinamore who were rightly aggrieved. But yesterday took the biscuit. Not only were the balance of the marginal calls in Pearses favour, the outrageous and incorrect decision at the end cost the team, who in my opinion were the best team and would have been deserving winners. Some poster had the audacity to suggest the ball was kicked from inside the 45..... not even close"
Exactly. Any player who overstepped the mark with the ref at the end will be punished and deservedly so. You'd have to wonder the point though of bringing in the mark if a referee chooses not to apply the rule. Will his performance be assessed?

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 898 - 12/12/2021 14:59:24    2392552

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "It's irrelevant to a player putting hands on a ref. That's completely inexcusable and will result in a suspension. I haven't seen anyone disagree with that.
However, it's not irrelevant to the disappointment experienced by the team who lost the match as a result of a very poor decision.
These are separate things. Whomever laid hands on the ref will get dealt with. No arguments from anyone.
Separately, the M/M contingent, players, management and supporters (the 99%+ who didn't touch the ref) have every right to be very aggrieved at a ref failing to apply a basic rule which cost them the match. They know the effort that went in to making it this far. They may never get an opportunity like this again."
Any grievance the team had of the ref is undone by the behaviour of the players who did touch the ref. It's a team game and them players let their team and club down. Maybe focus more on that.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 810 - 12/12/2021 15:06:21    2392553

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "Any grievance the team had of the ref is undone by the behaviour of the players who did touch the ref. It's a team game and them players let their team and club down. Maybe focus more on that."
What a load of crap

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 981 - 12/12/2021 16:27:02    2392564

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "Any grievance the team had of the ref is undone by the behaviour of the players who did touch the ref. It's a team game and them players let their team and club down. Maybe focus more on that."
I'm sorry, but that's nonsense. The rest of the team and supporters don't lose their right to feel aggrieved, because a few players were bang out of order.
They're completely separate incidents. That's like saying the 10s of thousands of Louth supporters have no right to be annoyed about the awful decision in 2010, because a few lunatics went on to the pitch and attacked the ref.
The ref made a very poor error and M/M contingent have every right to be extremely annoyed.
Also, the M/M players who put their hands on the ref were completely out of order and should be suspended. It was completely unacceptable.
Both of those statements are true.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2306 - 12/12/2021 16:31:59    2392565

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Every Ref makes mistakes even the ones doing AI finals-it happens every match and every year. The players make the most mistakes. If the Ref had allowed the mark and if a score resulted, who was then to say if the result would have been any different in extra time. A lot of if's there. How may if's does it take to win a match. Look at matches on telly with reviews being carried out and they still get it wrong. How may balls were kicked wide during the match? Sometimes it good to accept the result and move on.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 12/12/2021 17:04:14    2392570

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Replying To kavvie:  "if the gaa cant be capable of appointing a ref who knows the basic rules of the game, then incidents like this will occur. im not condoning it but they have to be responsible too. the rule is quite clear.

player put up hand for advanced mark under rule he cannot play on must take mark. ref let him play on which he cannot do lost possession free out and winning score at other side and all in last minute game and all refs fault not knowing or implementing rule."
Thing is these are not the basic rules of the game. A mark was brought in from another sport, yes some teams can use it to their advantage even Tyrone but it doesn't belong in GAA.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 12/12/2021 17:08:54    2392573

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I'm sorry, but that's nonsense. The rest of the team and supporters don't lose their right to feel aggrieved, because a few players were bang out of order.
They're completely separate incidents. That's like saying the 10s of thousands of Louth supporters have no right to be annoyed about the awful decision in 2010, because a few lunatics went on to the pitch and attacked the ref.
The ref made a very poor error and M/M contingent have every right to be extremely annoyed.
Also, the M/M players who put their hands on the ref were completely out of order and should be suspended. It was completely unacceptable.
Both of those statements are true."
It's not nonsense. When the team cool down and look at how their players behaved you can't be proud of that. I'd be much more annoyed about how the players behaved than about the refs performance and would just leave it and not bother moaning about the ref. They are players representing the club not supporters and players misbehaving do let the club down. The ref made a mistake, refs have and always will make mistakes and you have to just accept and move on.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 810 - 12/12/2021 17:35:24    2392583

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Replying To browncows:  "Every Ref makes mistakes even the ones doing AI finals-it happens every match and every year. The players make the most mistakes. If the Ref had allowed the mark and if a score resulted, who was then to say if the result would have been any different in extra time. A lot of if's there. How may if's does it take to win a match. Look at matches on telly with reviews being carried out and they still get it wrong. How may balls were kicked wide during the match? Sometimes it good to accept the result and move on."
You obviously weren't watching it. A score from the mark would have won the game. The sides were level, just as they reached the end of injury time. From the non-awarded mark, he blew against M/M and gave a free to Pearse's. They went down the pitch and kicked the winner, well over the added time, but the time-keeping isn't the biggest mistake in that instance.
These comparisons of players making mistakes also don't make any sense. When a player kicks a wide, he and his team suffer the consequences. Players are also under pressure from opposition players when making decisions.
The mistake the ref made was a very poor one and was critical in the context of the game. It wasn't a grey area or something which would be disputed on tv analysis. It was clear and obvious and a something I'm sure he won't be pleased with.
It's ok to say the ref made an awful blunder. It's ok for M/M to feel very aggrieved immediately after the game concludes.
It's not ok for anyone to lay a finger on the ref.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2306 - 12/12/2021 17:36:44    2392584

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Thing is these are not the basic rules of the game. A mark was brought in from another sport, yes some teams can use it to their advantage even Tyrone but it doesn't belong in GAA."
Ah that explains it. So because it's a new non traditional rule the ref can decide to ignore it when he chooses.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 981 - 12/12/2021 18:03:10    2392587

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Thing is these are not the basic rules of the game. A mark was brought in from another sport, yes some teams can use it to their advantage even Tyrone but it doesn't belong in GAA."
What nonsense. it is a rule. It doesn't matter if you don't like it or where it came from

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1704 - 12/12/2021 18:55:26    2392595

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