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Replying To Thechick:  "No reconsidering , ship has sailed . There was an option that allowed under 18's play with parental consent but clubs voted for the option that didn't ."
The ship never sails in the GAA let's see what happens at convention and planning.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1369 - 06/12/2023 08:27:24    2515691

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Replying To jobber:  "I think we should consider senior B and Intermediate Hurling clubs along with Intermediate and Junior football clubs be allowed to play players just out of under 17.What games are they going to get if not allowed to play.Under 19 or 20s have too few games and many of these clubs can't field at those grades anyway.If we don't reconsider we will lose a lot of players to other codes"
Players born in 2006 will be playing minor or under 18 in 2024, based on recent years that's a minimum of ten/eleven competitive matches in league and championship and more if side reaches finals, that's surely a decent number, clubs also play challenge matches. If the rule changed then a strong under 18 player would have the above, if he's a dual player like Jack Murtagh, Conor Leech or Neale Pierson he'll have easily 20-25 minor matches plus junior/Intermediate or senior league and championship, that could mean easily involvement in fifty competitive matches, add in challenge matches and training with at least four teams and you're looking at injuries and player burnout, Conor Leech would be key player with Na Piarsaigh minors, Killucan minors, Turin intermediates would have him training too, Killucan's senior/juniors also have him involved. It's like someone wants him, Jack Murtagh, McKeogh in Raharney, Pierson, Conor Daly to be retired by 19.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1394 - 06/12/2023 10:16:36    2515709

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Replying To jobber:  "I think we should consider senior B and Intermediate Hurling clubs along with Intermediate and Junior football clubs be allowed to play players just out of under 17.What games are they going to get if not allowed to play.Under 19 or 20s have too few games and many of these clubs can't field at those grades anyway.If we don't reconsider we will lose a lot of players to other codes"
What other codes will we lose players to? If a player wants to play rugby or soccer then fine, doubtful the fact he can't play adult at barely 18 will sway him.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1394 - 06/12/2023 10:23:02    2515710

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Senior hurlers trained in Collinstown other night, happened to see end of training, lot of well known and established faces absent, easily 7-8 regulars or long serving players, could be a one off but there seemed to be a lot of younger faces, more than expected, another tough league campaign and missing quality players makes Joe Fortunes job much harder

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1394 - 07/12/2023 03:08:12    2515815

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "What other codes will we lose players to? If a player wants to play rugby or soccer then fine, doubtful the fact he can't play adult at barely 18 will sway him."
It's pretty obvious to me if an 18 year old isn't "allowed" to play Gaelic games he will find other sports to play It's hardly rocket science.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1369 - 07/12/2023 06:52:18    2515817

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We have two home games and three away games in Division 1 of the national league.
We have three home games and two away games in the Joe Mcdonagh. Laois at home, which is a great surprise.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 698 - 07/12/2023 10:06:37    2515827

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Senior hurlers trained in Collinstown other night, happened to see end of training, lot of well known and established faces absent, easily 7-8 regulars or long serving players, could be a one off but there seemed to be a lot of younger faces, more than expected, another tough league campaign and missing quality players makes Joe Fortunes job much harder"
I'd say you seen quiet a few u20s.
We'll probably be at a point now where the Doyles, Egerton, Mitchell, Galvin, Shaw will be our more experienced players.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 698 - 07/12/2023 10:15:31    2515830

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Replying To jobber:  "It's pretty obvious to me if an 18 year old isn't "allowed" to play Gaelic games he will find other sports to play It's hardly rocket science."
An 18 year old who was 17 on 1/1 can play minor and u21. Why is he not allowed to play gaelic games?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11215 - 07/12/2023 11:01:26    2515840

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Replying To Dheen:  "David O'Reilly scored 1-02 from centre forward to help UL to an All Ireland colleges title this evening. A potent forward line for UL that included Adam Screeney at corner forward. Well done to O'Reilly."
David O'Reilly the same man that got MOTM in the 2022 county final when he was only u18.

Still can't get my head around our clubs voting to not allow u18 players at adult level.

If you good enough your old enough !!

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 361 - 07/12/2023 14:07:50    2515869

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Replying To jobber:  "It's pretty obvious to me if an 18 year old isn't "allowed" to play Gaelic games he will find other sports to play It's hardly rocket science."
18 year olds are allowed to play, I outlined this yesterday but if you Darragh Smith and Conor Leech are going to star for Mullingar Athletic because they can't play for Turin's intermediate team then dream on.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1394 - 07/12/2023 14:14:42    2515870

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "18 year olds are allowed to play, I outlined this yesterday but if you Darragh Smith and Conor Leech are going to star for Mullingar Athletic because they can't play for Turin's intermediate team then dream on."
Players who turn 18 in the calendar year 2024 cannot play any adult competition

Thechick (Westmeath) - Posts: 231 - 07/12/2023 15:12:23    2515874

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Replying To Temple56:  "David O'Reilly the same man that got MOTM in the 2022 county final when he was only u18.

Still can't get my head around our clubs voting to not allow u18 players at adult level.

If you good enough your old enough !!"
Please point out where someone said they're not good enough. Some people care about player welfare, burnout, injuries but if you think it's ok for our most promising players like Jack Murtagh, Conor Leech, Conor Heffernan, Matthew Thornton, Neale Pierson to serve on numerous teams next year then it's quite worrying, as an example, Jack Murtagh will be with The Downs minors at centre back, centre forward for Clonkill minors, possibly in same positions for Clonkill under 20s, The Downs under 20s, Clonkill juniors will certainly play him as will The Downs juniors, Definitely a part of Clonkill's intermediate team and A panellist with their seniors. Possibly with the Downs seniors. Is nine teams enough for you? That's just matches, presume The various managers of those teams expect him to train as well?

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1394 - 07/12/2023 15:33:32    2515877

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Replying To Viking66:  "An 18 year old who was 17 on 1/1 can play minor and u21. Why is he not allowed to play gaelic games?"
An 18 year old who is physically strong should have no problem playing adult hurling..What Hurling will an 18 year old get at St Brigid's,Father Dalton's,Southern Gaels,Cullion or Delvin.Very poor division 2 stuff where county panelists will only learn bad habits.This system is crazy unless it's changed.It might be fine in Dublin,Cork or Galway but it's bad news for us.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1369 - 07/12/2023 20:31:12    2515921

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Conor Shaw has withdrawn from senior county hurling panel.

Greenandgoldie (Westmeath) - Posts: 98 - 10/12/2023 21:16:16    2516268

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Replying To Greenandgoldie:  "Conor Shaw has withdrawn from senior county hurling panel."
Disappointing to hear. He's been a mainstay of the senior panel since 2016

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 698 - 10/12/2023 21:26:34    2516271

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Unfortunately Conor's not the only regular and experienced player yet to return to training, as many as 6-7 players from Castletown and Raharney yet to feature yet, possibility some will but unlikely to have 4-5 for next season, no major reasons why, some need a break, others have personal commitments, chance for new players.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1394 - 10/12/2023 22:32:41    2516287

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Replying To Greenandgoldie:  "Conor Shaw has withdrawn from senior county hurling panel."
I've heard a lot of other established players have also left the panel it looks like a long hard year ahead for the county hurlers

DanGer966 (Westmeath) - Posts: 21 - 10/12/2023 23:11:41    2516292

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Replying To Greenandgoldie:  "Conor Shaw has withdrawn from senior county hurling panel."
I've heard a lot of other established players have also left the panel it looks like a long hard year ahead for the county hurlers

DanGer966 (Westmeath) - Posts: 21 - 11/12/2023 00:39:35    2516297

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We are going into a transition period now. We haven't produced much talent after the u21 teams of 2016/2017.. however Mark Cunningham, Jamie Mulkearns, Brian McGrath and Eamonn Cunneen came from last years u20s. This year's minors and u20s have great potential and we should start to see players coming through to the senior team again.
At u20, Sean Jackson, Conor Gaffney, David Maloney, Rhian Holding, Ivan Smyth, Peter Clarke, David O'Reilly, Peter Murphy, Joe Mulvaney, Darragh McCormack, David Williams and Conor Heffernan will step into the senior team or already have started to.

The minors have Kian Loughlin, Darragh Kenny, Aaron Flanagan, Padraig Casey, Ben McNamee, Eoin Meehan, Ryan Williams, Dylan Corrigan all with the potential to be senior hurlers in the next couple of years.

The young players are there now at minor and u20, we should see it this year through their performances.
The problem was the gap in the production line between 2017 and 2022.
We had a similar transition period back in 2011-2013 but then we seen the Aonghus Clarkes, Niall O'Briens, Grevilles come through.
We'll have to be patient this year and next.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 698 - 11/12/2023 09:11:41    2516306

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Replying To Dheen:  "We are going into a transition period now. We haven't produced much talent after the u21 teams of 2016/2017.. however Mark Cunningham, Jamie Mulkearns, Brian McGrath and Eamonn Cunneen came from last years u20s. This year's minors and u20s have great potential and we should start to see players coming through to the senior team again.
At u20, Sean Jackson, Conor Gaffney, David Maloney, Rhian Holding, Ivan Smyth, Peter Clarke, David O'Reilly, Peter Murphy, Joe Mulvaney, Darragh McCormack, David Williams and Conor Heffernan will step into the senior team or already have started to.

The minors have Kian Loughlin, Darragh Kenny, Aaron Flanagan, Padraig Casey, Ben McNamee, Eoin Meehan, Ryan Williams, Dylan Corrigan all with the potential to be senior hurlers in the next couple of years.

The young players are there now at minor and u20, we should see it this year through their performances.
The problem was the gap in the production line between 2017 and 2022.
We had a similar transition period back in 2011-2013 but then we seen the Aonghus Clarkes, Niall O'Briens, Grevilles come through.
We'll have to be patient this year and next."
I like your optimism but I'm not sure it's as simple as that. There's loads of potential in that bunch that you've named, but at the moment that's all it is, potential, and unfortunately we've seen too often how that doesn't always convert to the senior ranks. Some lads will find the step up in standard too much, some lads will shy away from the commitment that will be necessary, some will go travelling, others will concentrate on other commitments such as work etc. If 4 or 5 of those under 20s you've mentioned made it through to be mainstays in a senior team I'd consider that a huge achievement, and it's way too early to be talking about the minors.

CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 256 - 11/12/2023 17:47:07    2516389

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