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Replying To Leitrim_12:  "I have read all your comment. You basically said you wanted Andy out because he didn't gain promotion in 6months, and talking up someone who's been with the county for 3 year, got rid of the S&C coach involved with Leitrim at the time and brought in his own.. If you were in castlebar in 2019, you wouldn't talk highly of Hyland, laying up against barrier laughing as Leitrim team were getting slathered..

Covid and restrictions isn't an excuse for Leitrim failures. Last 2 years was the best time for the squad to improve Fitness and S&C. Which they didn't so whos does that failure fall with only the manager over the senior team at the time. You said so yourself majority of the team has been together for 3/4 years now, what improvement have you seen when comes to S&C?"
Jesus are you thick or something? Teams were banned from collective training sessions for most of 2020 & 2021... the 2020 season practically ran into 2021... what improvements could you have possible made with the stop start nature of restrictions during Covid? Teams like Leitrim need every man to the wheel, collective sessions to drive lads on. We're not Dublin or Mayo gunning for All Irelands with lads who need little motivation. Hyland when he came in achieved the goal of promotion in his first season, something that Moran has not. What I said was that Moran was the wrong man from the very start but that there will be no excuses for 2023... this season has been a failure and the best we can do now is position ourselves for next year. Removing him now would be madness but these issues have to be called out for what they are. Leitrim as a county can ill afford to spend vast sums on a management team who doesn't deliver. There's people out breaking their **** raising money for the betterment of GAA in the county. So clearly you havent been reading anything I've said.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 10/05/2022 17:41:45    2416353

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Replying To Leitrim_12:  "I have read all your comment. You basically said you wanted Andy out because he didn't gain promotion in 6months, and talking up someone who's been with the county for 3 year, got rid of the S&C coach involved with Leitrim at the time and brought in his own.. If you were in castlebar in 2019, you wouldn't talk highly of Hyland, laying up against barrier laughing as Leitrim team were getting slathered..

Covid and restrictions isn't an excuse for Leitrim failures. Last 2 years was the best time for the squad to improve Fitness and S&C. Which they didn't so whos does that failure fall with only the manager over the senior team at the time. You said so yourself majority of the team has been together for 3/4 years now, what improvement have you seen when comes to S&C?"
The manager is to blame for everything in every county or so it seems by the nature of the postings I read. But I never saw a manager miss a penalty or kick a 13metre free wide. The biggest issue for most counties striving to breakthrough now is the cult of "The manager". At both club and county level , officials at meetings loose the run of themselves talking about " what this club needs , or what the county needs is" and the names of the latest retired footballer or sacked county manager are bandied about as the next best thing to the sliced pan. A momentum builds up without proper analysis . It's always pro's , no cons until a couple of defeats and the blame game starts again. Recent history clearly shows that both Sligo ,Leitrim and many other counties have no need to bring in outside management teams and incur enormous expense if the success rate is measured over a 5 year period.

Maggiepie (Sligo) - Posts: 221 - 10/05/2022 18:07:14    2416358

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Replying To Yondu:  "Was no clear system or structure in place. Galway popped off points under zero pressure. The first goal highlighted the lack preparation on defending with 5 or 6 lads attracted to Comer on the the ball you offloaded to a completely unmarked Patrick Kelly who could have laid it off to another unmarked player.

Yes were never going to win but could have made the scoreline at a lot more respectable."
Galway have been rattling off big scores all year. You can have all the systems in place that you like. But unfortunately we don't have the same quality defenders as attackers. Galway put a similar score up against Derry. We are going to be playing a team ranked higher than us in the Tailteann Cup unless we get London again. But we should be competitive. It will be an opportunity to see if there is a defensive system in place. You can judge then but against a far superior opposition it is impossible to gauge.

Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 83 - 10/05/2022 18:20:13    2416359

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Are Leitrim the only county in Div 4 with a Sports Psychologist? Kieran Shannon was doing work with Leitrim this year. Long drive from Limerick to Leitrim. Worked with Mayo but they got rid of him

chancey (Cavan) - Posts: 32 - 11/05/2022 07:30:13    2416395

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Did anyone else watch the underage match at half time? I only saw the boys game as it was directly infront of me. Are these kids made up of a selection from Leitrim and Galway??
Even at that game, there was a stark difference in those early basic skills, handling, passing, agility, etc

We can talk about u17s and u20s but the gulf was evident even in that game.

It was difficult for the senior lads. Most of the first half was great to watch as we kept in touch and picked off some great scores against the wind.
As previous posters said, once the first goal went in, we lost any structure or system and our defending became panicked. We needed someone to go down injured or something to steady the ship (I hate it but I'd try anything!).
We seemed to start ball watching /chasing and stop communicating and as a result, 3-4 men ran to danger men on the ball whilst leaving a free man in a dangerous position.
What was the story with Keith Beirne?? Sorely missed - he'd have propped up the score board better in the first half..

A few good games in the Tailtainn cup will help to push us on and set us up for a stab at promotion next year hopefully.

Mugatay (Leitrim) - Posts: 128 - 11/05/2022 10:04:33    2416415

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Replying To Square_B:  "Jesus are you thick or something? Teams were banned from collective training sessions for most of 2020 & 2021... the 2020 season practically ran into 2021... what improvements could you have possible made with the stop start nature of restrictions during Covid? Teams like Leitrim need every man to the wheel, collective sessions to drive lads on. We're not Dublin or Mayo gunning for All Irelands with lads who need little motivation. Hyland when he came in achieved the goal of promotion in his first season, something that Moran has not. What I said was that Moran was the wrong man from the very start but that there will be no excuses for 2023... this season has been a failure and the best we can do now is position ourselves for next year. Removing him now would be madness but these issues have to be called out for what they are. Leitrim as a county can ill afford to spend vast sums on a management team who doesn't deliver. There's people out breaking their **** raising money for the betterment of GAA in the county. So clearly you havent been reading anything I've said."
Sorry wasn't aware I was talking to Terry Hyland himself in disguise. Haha last time I looked government didn't ban individual training. Hense why I said perfect time to work on S&C, If coaches at the time were bothered they would have put correct plan in place.

Leitrim_12 (Leitrim) - Posts: 16 - 11/05/2022 10:12:42    2416420

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Replying To Mugatay:  "Did anyone else watch the underage match at half time? I only saw the boys game as it was directly infront of me. Are these kids made up of a selection from Leitrim and Galway??
Even at that game, there was a stark difference in those early basic skills, handling, passing, agility, etc

We can talk about u17s and u20s but the gulf was evident even in that game.

It was difficult for the senior lads. Most of the first half was great to watch as we kept in touch and picked off some great scores against the wind.
As previous posters said, once the first goal went in, we lost any structure or system and our defending became panicked. We needed someone to go down injured or something to steady the ship (I hate it but I'd try anything!).
We seemed to start ball watching /chasing and stop communicating and as a result, 3-4 men ran to danger men on the ball whilst leaving a free man in a dangerous position.
What was the story with Keith Beirne?? Sorely missed - he'd have propped up the score board better in the first half..

A few good games in the Tailtainn cup will help to push us on and set us up for a stab at promotion next year hopefully."


Totally agree with the skills from a young age compared to other counties. This is totally evident all throughout the age brackets in Leitrim teams. When these kids get to adult age they are at a certain level but unable to get up to the levels of other counties. Our players look good in Leitrim club games and circles and we think we think they are good but outside of our county they are average and the Leitrim club scene is very average.

Improve the club scene and the county team improves

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 535 - 11/05/2022 10:30:40    2416429

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Replying To Leitrim_12:  "Sorry wasn't aware I was talking to Terry Hyland himself in disguise. Haha last time I looked government didn't ban individual training. Hense why I said perfect time to work on S&C, If coaches at the time were bothered they would have put correct plan in place."
You don't know much about football and motivation if you think lads from weaker counties are going to bust a gut on their own bat... might happen in Kerry & Dublin where lads are aiming for All Ireland's ... it's not happening in Leitrim. The place to do the work is on the pitch & within a team environment... Anyhow Gym's were closed for most of that period also... where were these lads going to do the S&C you think they should have been at????

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 459 - 11/05/2022 11:52:15    2416458

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Replying To kentuckytucky:  "So you are saying Highlands isn't an experienced manager?"
I never suggested Hyland wasn't an experienced manager. The dogs on the street knows that he is. I have respect for the man and what he did for us during his time in charge. I was responding to your point where you were suggesting that if Hyland was in charge we would have set up differently and possibly not be beaten by as much. In my view that is nonsense as Hyland got three cracks at the Connacht championship and we were beaten out the gate in two of those and probably managed to keep the scoreline somewhat respectable in the other due to weather conditions on the day. The setting up defensive point doesn't wash with me as what is the point in setting a side up for damage limitation. I am sure Moran made tactical errors on Sunday, i am sure he will go away and think he could have done things differently but at the end of the day we are miles and miles off the pace from the Mayo's, Galway's and Roscommon's of this world. This hasn't come to light after Sunday or overnight and the sooner those in denial about the limitations of Leitrim football the better. I have nothing but respect for everyone one of those lads on the panel who put the work in year in year out and have to deal with results like Sunday.

juande_ramos (Leitrim) - Posts: 49 - 11/05/2022 13:20:42    2416495

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Square B by an even minded view of where Leitrim are this year I can think of 6 positives;
1) Far better buy in from the best players to the squad.
2) conditioning on some of the players is far better than last year(doesn't necessarily legislate an improvement of a players impact)
3) a lot of players tried out.
4) youth and future seems to longterm thinking in the selection.
5) up to aftermath of London game, extremely positive vibe from the camp (which unfortunately came a cropper with a certain players individualistic outlook)
6) we went toe to toe for 20 minutes against oms of the stronger teams, other years game was gone from us at that stage.
7) the tradition of 1 v1 is gone in the GAA even now in hurling. Andy has played around with different sweepers but there was a much stronger sense of an attack plan added this year even if results were mixed.

Patience I stress is lacking in our county. We have an exaggerated sense of our standing within the sport. Most counties if asked to rank us would place us between 26th and 28th in Ireland. To expect a sudden transformation within 6 months from Andy Moran or any coach is making the same mistake we have done over and over again. U17s draw gives optimism as did the fighting spirit of u20s but not a conveyor belt of Clifford's coming through. Next years League and Championship is really when we can judge Andys impact. Give the man a chance and have realistic targets for him.

bananapublican (Leitrim) - Posts: 875 - 11/05/2022 13:52:50    2416509

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Replying To 3rdmidfielder:  "Some posters on here are living in cloud cuckoo lad. Yesterday's result was no shock and not in isolation.

2016 Roscommon 1-21
Leitrim 0-11

2017 Roscommon 2-23
Leitrim 1-9

2018 leitrim 0-10
Roscommon 0-24

2019 Roscommon 3-17
Leitrim 0-12

2020 Leitrim 0-10
Mayo 2-15

2021 Mayo 5-20
Leitrim 0-11

And we have people on here having a pop at Andy Moran and his management team. Realistically what can Andy Moran do in 8 or 9 months? The problems in Leitrim football run deep, the results at underage have been atrocious for over 20 years, our clubs have done nothing in the connacht club championship at any grade. We have posters on here slagging Roscommon about yo yoing between div 1 and 2 absolute clowns. We should be looking closely at what counties like Roscommon, Monaghan etc are doing and try to emulate what they are doing."
So, serious question: just what are Roscommon and Monaghan doing right that we aren't? I'm asking because 1) I don't know, and 2) if our neighbours with relatively low populations (albeit bigger than ours) can improve themselves and win provincial championships, why not copy them and leave Division 4 behind for good?

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 796 - 11/05/2022 14:29:26    2416521

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "So, serious question: just what are Roscommon and Monaghan doing right that we aren't? I'm asking because 1) I don't know, and 2) if our neighbours with relatively low populations (albeit bigger than ours) can improve themselves and win provincial championships, why not copy them and leave Division 4 behind for good?"
They have very professional structures in place at underage level. With clear understanding of the the requirements to play top level intercounty senior football. Very much part of the mindset right through their development both in regards to skills, s and c, diet. This is brought forward into their lifestyle and training. Development squads are about developing players holistically. In Leitrim it's still similar to the underage structure of the 90s. If we lack in numbers and funding we are devoid in structures and planning.

Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 83 - 11/05/2022 15:39:45    2416537

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "So, serious question: just what are Roscommon and Monaghan doing right that we aren't? I'm asking because 1) I don't know, and 2) if our neighbours with relatively low populations (albeit bigger than ours) can improve themselves and win provincial championships, why not copy them and leave Division 4 behind for good?"
Exactly I don't think we have to reinvent the wheel here, the template is there.

Personally I think investment in a director of football would be prudent, if we could get the right person on board.

It is very hard to have success at Senior Inter -county level without having successful underage teams. Invest more money at underage level and get the right people involved. For years it was too easy to get a job coaching a Leitrim underage team.

I think for years the structure of club football was all wrong with not enough competitive games hopefully that has changed.

Hopefully we get a favourable draw next Monday, but I feel this competition is doomed before it starts. They have changed the structure already. Typical of the Gaa. The North South divide is a joke, most of the stronger Teams are in the Northern section.

And it's has a ***** name for the competition.

The hurlers have the right system!!

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 186 - 11/05/2022 16:46:17    2416564

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Replying To Backheel:  "They have very professional structures in place at underage level. With clear understanding of the the requirements to play top level intercounty senior football. Very much part of the mindset right through their development both in regards to skills, s and c, diet. This is brought forward into their lifestyle and training. Development squads are about developing players holistically. In Leitrim it's still similar to the underage structure of the 90s. If we lack in numbers and funding we are devoid in structures and planning."
I would add to this that their professional structures in place are not just for their inter county underage teams but for every club within the county. Clubs in these counties expose their players to levels that only our county teams get. And their club players buy in to it and dedicate themselves to it.

How many Roscommon clubs have won connacht titles at junior, intermediate and senior level over the past decade? How many have we won? These clubs in Ross pull from similar population bases as our own. So a direct comparison can be made

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 535 - 11/05/2022 16:52:49    2416567

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Replying To 3rdmidfielder:  "Exactly I don't think we have to reinvent the wheel here, the template is there.

Personally I think investment in a director of football would be prudent, if we could get the right person on board.

It is very hard to have success at Senior Inter -county level without having successful underage teams. Invest more money at underage level and get the right people involved. For years it was too easy to get a job coaching a Leitrim underage team.

I think for years the structure of club football was all wrong with not enough competitive games hopefully that has changed.

Hopefully we get a favourable draw next Monday, but I feel this competition is doomed before it starts. They have changed the structure already. Typical of the Gaa. The North South divide is a joke, most of the stronger Teams are in the Northern section.

And it's has a ***** name for the competition.

The hurlers have the right system!!"
Are there Leitrim schools playing Connacht colleges football? I know in the past there was a strong Vocational Schools in the county.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1096 - 11/05/2022 18:42:00    2416590

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Replying To chancey:  "Are Leitrim the only county in Div 4 with a Sports Psychologist? Kieran Shannon was doing work with Leitrim this year. Long drive from Limerick to Leitrim. Worked with Mayo but they got rid of him"
2 of them there last night

Keephimthere (Roscommon) - Posts: 83 - 11/05/2022 19:46:24    2416600

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "So, serious question: just what are Roscommon and Monaghan doing right that we aren't? I'm asking because 1) I don't know, and 2) if our neighbours with relatively low populations (albeit bigger than ours) can improve themselves and win provincial championships, why not copy them and leave Division 4 behind for good?"
Secondary school football is non-existent in Leitrim. Carrick Community School has huge potential but so far has not been exploited. Clubs need 2 have coaches in each of the schools so that younger players are given competition that will raise standards of all involved. The man at the helm of Leitrim development has not delivered anything that resembles progress. Leitrim clubs at underage level need to take a bit of initiative and expose their teams two clubs from outside the County. This push for 15 aside football which commenced in 2010 really has had no success. Leitrim football is unique and while stealing ideas from other counties can help the development of the players we must start playing to our own strengths and not bringing in rules that ultimately reduces the playing pool. Small sided competitions, once deemed the enemy now has most people realising that it wasn't the solution to the problem. Smaller sided games as well as increasing touches among players which can only improve skill, the large area to be covered by the smaller sided teams, an inevitable by product of this is the players have to cover more ground which naturally has them already better suited to the rigours of the modern game. But the 15 a side merchants will stay entrenched with their theory that even hard facts won't deter them that this is the best way.

bananapublican (Leitrim) - Posts: 875 - 12/05/2022 10:13:57    2416627

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There's a lot of talk about underage football etc here. What I see being a major problem is the larger towns having amalgam teams with neighbouring rural parishes. I think that should be stamped out anyway.

threebogs (Leitrim) - Posts: 2 - 12/05/2022 14:04:15    2416687

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Replying To bananapublican:  "Secondary school football is non-existent in Leitrim. Carrick Community School has huge potential but so far has not been exploited. Clubs need 2 have coaches in each of the schools so that younger players are given competition that will raise standards of all involved. The man at the helm of Leitrim development has not delivered anything that resembles progress. Leitrim clubs at underage level need to take a bit of initiative and expose their teams two clubs from outside the County. This push for 15 aside football which commenced in 2010 really has had no success. Leitrim football is unique and while stealing ideas from other counties can help the development of the players we must start playing to our own strengths and not bringing in rules that ultimately reduces the playing pool. Small sided competitions, once deemed the enemy now has most people realising that it wasn't the solution to the problem. Smaller sided games as well as increasing touches among players which can only improve skill, the large area to be covered by the smaller sided teams, an inevitable by product of this is the players have to cover more ground which naturally has them already better suited to the rigours of the modern game. But the 15 a side merchants will stay entrenched with their theory that even hard facts won't deter them that this is the best way."
I think one of the major reasons that smaller sided games were done away with at underage level, and the reason that people wanted to push back to 15 a side games- is that our underage players were getting far too much time on the ball and too comfortable on the ball in non pressure situations.

What I mean by that is as a smaller sided game is played on a full sized pitch, our players grew up accustomed to no pressure on the ball and lots of time and space available to them without this pressure. When did then went up against 15 a side , they were completely not used to the way that that game was played. They were lost at sea with less of space available to them, and less time also.

Players who seem like good players at under 16 and minor level , lording it over the field in our underage club games, we are completely lost at intercounty level when they went up against other players used to playing in a pressure environment and who could move the ball quicker to get out of such pressure situations, as they were used to playing like this.

Whilst I agree smaller sided games can improve touch and skill levels. The ability to play under pressure in the modern game is huge, especially against mass defences when time and space is very limited.

There are so many problems with underage football and general club football in Leitrim currently, and we are so far behind others I don't know where the answers lie. However I think the answer lies somewhere within improving the standard of club football in Leitrim in all ages- clubs training their players to a high level from a very young age up. When The county then picks the best players from the club game to play for them, we are getting a quality player in every position that has all the skills, fitness, intelligence and talent to succeed

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 535 - 12/05/2022 16:57:34    2416744

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Replying To leitrim4sam:  "

Totally agree with the skills from a young age compared to other counties. This is totally evident all throughout the age brackets in Leitrim teams. When these kids get to adult age they are at a certain level but unable to get up to the levels of other counties. Our players look good in Leitrim club games and circles and we think we think they are good but outside of our county they are average and the Leitrim club scene is very average.

Improve the club scene and the county team improves"
To be far the kids selected for the half time game are usually pulled out of a hat by each of the primary schools in the county. I remember being distraught as a young fella when a classmate of mine who never played football was pulled from the hat to play half time for the London replay.

southleitrim_mafia (Leitrim) - Posts: 94 - 13/05/2022 09:55:40    2416798

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