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Replying To kentuckytucky: "That's what I'm saying. We are too nice. This game would not have gone ahead with a 'big' county. Its tough luck if London had flights booked etc, the question is if its a money thing then they shouldn't be in this comp.
Ultimately this decision to play at a neutral venue has set London up nicely for promotion and we are nowhere again. Season practically over with a high profile management team left in situ. And London will whip us in the championship game too gan dabht. They'll only get better now and are actually favourites now most likely." We should have won by 10 PTS today.We'll bate them in the championship alright.I still don't know how we lost today.
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Replying To masseyferguson: "We should have won by 10 PTS today.We'll bate them in the championship alright.I still don't know how we lost today." Were you at the game? I was at it and London were the better team. They were well drilled and seemed to be a lot more in tune with their game plan compared to Leitrim. Leitrim should have snatched it at the end but overall they didn't deserve it. I'm not sure how the management decided in taking off one off our best catchers in Plunkett at half time and putting on another inside forward in Prior was a good idea but alas. All kick outs were going long and we were getting bet at midfield, surely it would have been worth trying Plunkett there.
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Replying To Rolo2010: "London have never complained about flights. Sour grapes." How is it sour please? It is a fact. There were other games postponed today, yet this one goes ahead in a neutral venue. Would Donegal play a home league match against Tyrone in Derry? Not at all
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 21/02/2022 09:56:44
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Replying To leitrim4sam: "Why on earth did we agree to play this game today? The game was moved to a pitch in mayo because carrick was unplayable, no other suitable Leitrim pitch seemingly was available- ok so job done, postpone the game so don't agree to play in mayo. It's was to be only one of 3 home games for us, so we agreed to take only 2 home games by agreeing to this today.
Markievicz park and Wexford park were unplayable also but did they agree to play elsewhere? We're they asked to play elsewhere? No the stakes are too high. Were London looked on as they had flights booked and the game had to go ahead? We should have said tough luck London, sorry but it was to be a home game for us and we are going to have it that way. Instead we agreed to play with practically no support, in the middle of a storm where the wind and rain meant that passes were hard to make, scores hard to take, risking injuries, it was a madness decision. Anything can happen in that weather that was today.
I don't think we lost the run of ourselves as a poster suggested. I honestly think on a clear day in carrick with a big home support there, that surely would have been there after the tipp win then we would have won. Alas we'll never know now. Someone agreed to this today on our side, maybe the Leitrim management thought yeah let's just get it done we are motoring nicely we'll win storm or no storm… it was a bad decision" Bang on the money.
MagnumPIG (Leitrim) - Posts: 149 - 21/02/2022 10:13:17
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Replying To kentuckytucky: "How is it sour please? It is a fact. There were other games postponed today, yet this one goes ahead in a neutral venue. Would Donegal play a home league match against Tyrone in Derry? Not at all" It's not a fact. Go find me anything to suggest that London didn't want this game postponed. Your county board agreed to this. They convinced themselves this was just going to be routine victory wherever it was played. Leitrim paid for it. Donegal have Letterkenny. Maybe Leitrim should have a second ground suitable for intercounty games instead of whining about how unfair life is.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 21/02/2022 10:27:35
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Jesus thats a disastrous result for Leitrim yesterday, no dressing it up
I seen you guys against Cavan in round 1 and seen enough to think you would win most games and gain promotion, but you have to be beating London at this stage, especially when they have had to travel overseas. Pitch change isnt an excuse for leitrim as London had far longer to travel. Were you missing key players? Can still get promotion but you are probably hoping for sligo to lose to cavan and slip up elsewhere
HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 144 - 21/02/2022 11:09:47
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Replying To kentuckytucky: "How is it sour please? It is a fact. There were other games postponed today, yet this one goes ahead in a neutral venue. Would Donegal play a home league match against Tyrone in Derry? Not at all" Funnily enough plenty of Leitrim posters slag us when we had to play a league game in Carrick. Shoes on the other foot now.
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 21/02/2022 11:24:11
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Replying To Grey_Owl: "Were you at the game? I was at it and London were the better team. They were well drilled and seemed to be a lot more in tune with their game plan compared to Leitrim. Leitrim should have snatched it at the end but overall they didn't deserve it. I'm not sure how the management decided in taking off one off our best catchers in Plunkett at half time and putting on another inside forward in Prior was a good idea but alas. All kick outs were going long and we were getting bet at midfield, surely it would have been worth trying Plunkett there." This is actually the only comment I've seen that gives any detail on how the teams actually played (and not where the game was or wasn't played). Anyone else at the game? And what do you think? Cos I'm pretty sure it was a game of football Leitrim lost, not a game of snakes and ladders where the weather rolled the dice for them and sent them down a snake from Carrick to Bekan. My point is although home advantage would have made a difference, they still had to go out and play London in a game of football somewhere under the same conditions, so let's focus more on what went wrong and what can be put right for the remaining four games.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1195 - 21/02/2022 11:44:40
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Replying To Rolo2010: "It's not a fact. Go find me anything to suggest that London didn't want this game postponed. Your county board agreed to this. They convinced themselves this was just going to be routine victory wherever it was played. Leitrim paid for it. Donegal have Letterkenny. Maybe Leitrim should have a second ground suitable for intercounty games instead of whining about how unfair life is." Why so touchy? It is a fact. Donegal wouldn't have played an important home league game outside their own county. There is no such thing as a routine victory for Leitrim, especially when a game isn't at home. You're right about it being wrong that this change was agreed to however.
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 21/02/2022 11:50:51
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It's still doable.
- If Cavan win all their games (and I think they will, and we need them to now) they'll go up on 14 points.
- If Leitrim win all their remaining games we'll finish on 10 points.
- If Sligo win all their games except against Cavan and Leitrim they'll finish on 10 points.
- If London were to lose to Cavan and Sligo but beat Wexford and Tipp (hmmm!), they'd also finish on 10 points.
So in that scenario, we'd beat Sligo who'd beat London who have beaten us, and we all best everyone else and all lose to Cavan, so it would come down to scoring difference. We're actually worst out of the three in that regard, so we'd need a big win in there somewhere. But anyone could drop points anywhere which would favour us, but if we dropped points, I think it would be game over. But it's still a long way to go. Sligo have to travel to face a Tipperary team looking forward redemption, and, with London on a head of steam, each remaining game will be hell on earth for them. (Thanks to Oliver Kahn for that last bit.)
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1195 - 21/02/2022 12:03:49
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Replying To Grey_Owl: "Were you at the game? I was at it and London were the better team. They were well drilled and seemed to be a lot more in tune with their game plan compared to Leitrim. Leitrim should have snatched it at the end but overall they didn't deserve it. I'm not sure how the management decided in taking off one off our best catchers in Plunkett at half time and putting on another inside forward in Prior was a good idea but alas. All kick outs were going long and we were getting bet at midfield, surely it would have been worth trying Plunkett there." I was there,if we had our shooting boots on we'd have been out of sight at half time.Coach Moran was roaring at Plunkett all the first half and didn't seem to pleased with him.The first goal was a calamity.Their first point was also a wide.We tried for the KO in the first half and it didn't work.Very little chance of promotion now with 3 away games.
masseyferguson (Leitrim) - Posts: 112 - 21/02/2022 12:46:23
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Replying To leitrim4sam: "Why on earth did we agree to play this game today? The game was moved to a pitch in mayo because carrick was unplayable, no other suitable Leitrim pitch seemingly was available- ok so job done, postpone the game so don't agree to play in mayo. It's was to be only one of 3 home games for us, so we agreed to take only 2 home games by agreeing to this today.
Markievicz park and Wexford park were unplayable also but did they agree to play elsewhere? We're they asked to play elsewhere? No the stakes are too high. Were London looked on as they had flights booked and the game had to go ahead? We should have said tough luck London, sorry but it was to be a home game for us and we are going to have it that way. Instead we agreed to play with practically no support, in the middle of a storm where the wind and rain meant that passes were hard to make, scores hard to take, risking injuries, it was a madness decision. Anything can happen in that weather that was today.
I don't think we lost the run of ourselves as a poster suggested. I honestly think on a clear day in carrick with a big home support there, that surely would have been there after the tipp win then we would have won. Alas we'll never know now. Someone agreed to this today on our side, maybe the Leitrim management thought yeah let's just get it done we are motoring nicely we'll win storm or no storm… it was a bad decision" Whenever a game is postponed the host county has to fork out travel expenses and accommodation to the opposition and seeing that it was London that Leitrim was playing that would have been big money.
Playing a home game in Mayo is a bit odd when Leitrim have their own centre with all weather pitches?
Very poor result for Leitrim. Watching the one minute highlights last night a dreadful first goal conceded and missed two goal chances that was probably easier to score than miss.
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 21/02/2022 13:02:33
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Replying To sourmilk93: "Funnily enough plenty of Leitrim posters slag us when we had to play a league game in Carrick. Shoes on the other foot now." It was fairly embarrassing for yee alright, a normal day's rain had your place swamped, thousands of fans already arrived and had to be ferried across to Carrick. The movement of this game was based on two storms, snow, facilitating a team travelling by air etc. Big difference please.
Leitrim_12 (USA) - Posts: 207 - 21/02/2022 13:26:27
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "It's still doable.
- If Cavan win all their games (and I think they will, and we need them to now) they'll go up on 14 points.
- If Leitrim win all their remaining games we'll finish on 10 points.
- If Sligo win all their games except against Cavan and Leitrim they'll finish on 10 points.
- If London were to lose to Cavan and Sligo but beat Wexford and Tipp (hmmm!), they'd also finish on 10 points.
So in that scenario, we'd beat Sligo who'd beat London who have beaten us, and we all best everyone else and all lose to Cavan, so it would come down to scoring difference. We're actually worst out of the three in that regard, so we'd need a big win in there somewhere. But anyone could drop points anywhere which would favour us, but if we dropped points, I think it would be game over. But it's still a long way to go. Sligo have to travel to face a Tipperary team looking forward redemption, and, with London on a head of steam, each remaining game will be hell on earth for them. (Thanks to Oliver Kahn for that last bit.)" We have to avoid scoring difference scenarios. Sligo beat Carlow by something like 28 points so if we finish level I can't see us over hauling that. We need to win every game now, we also need Cavan to win all games and we need Sligo and London to drop points some where else, maybe Tipp is our best bet here.
leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 700 - 21/02/2022 13:45:54
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We only have ourselves to blame for the defeat yesterday. The first goal was the most ridiculous I've seen in years and we really should have dropped someone in front of their full forward for the second half as he was their big danger and then he goes and scores the goal that won the game. London managed to go a whole half playing with a storm and not managing to score a point from play. We are giving away too many scoreable frees. Cost us against Cavan and also yesterday.
Mark Plunkett had an awful first half and really can't have any complaints about being substituted at half time.
The only point I would make about the change of venue is that there is no way they should have been telling people to buy a ticket to go and stand out in a storm with absolutely no protection from the elements for any spectators.
SeanMacDiarmada (Leitrim) - Posts: 419 - 21/02/2022 14:31:19
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I was at the game yesterday..first of all it was a joke playing a game with a freezing galeforce wind….might as well have tossed a coin for the result as the ball was blowing every which way….in the first half we were well on top owned the ball until an under 12 standard mixup in our defence conceded a howler of a goal against the run of play…but we should have been out of sight then….in the second half we started out well scoring the first point to go 4 up but they got back into the game with a few well taken frees….we then scored our 9th point from play and the team got a lift but their second goal came a few minutes later and killed it as they went a point up and knew the game was theirs for the taking… the lads struggled as they parked the bus in their half …we kept combining to try and get a goal instead of taking our points a draw would have been a fair result…London defended well and got some good turnovers…somehow without conceding any scorabke frees….the last 20 minutes London were the better team but if we had taken that last minute goal we would have been deserving winners
Leitrim played well as a team…good team work plenty of possession and probably broke even at midfield…we defo missed the home advantage only a few hundred at the game snd plenty of london support...everyone makes mistakes learn and move on....on a dry day I think we would have won by a few points…Leitrim definitely have improved in the last few years and good young player's coming through....need to keep their heads up and win the rest of the games and give Sligo a right rattle and beat London in Ruislip to make up for 2013
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Replying To sourmilk93: "Funnily enough plenty of Leitrim posters slag us when we had to play a league game in Carrick. Shoes on the other foot now." Roscommon had to play a league game in Carrick because the pitch in the Hyde was in such a bad condition that 700k had to be spent replacing it. And we all know why the expenditure was postponed.... hard to spend money when the cheques are being signed by Croke Park.
But of course, you knew all that didn't you?
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1357 - 21/02/2022 16:24:04
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Replying To SeanMacDiarmada: "We only have ourselves to blame for the defeat yesterday. The first goal was the most ridiculous I've seen in years and we really should have dropped someone in front of their full forward for the second half as he was their big danger and then he goes and scores the goal that won the game. London managed to go a whole half playing with a storm and not managing to score a point from play. We are giving away too many scoreable frees. Cost us against Cavan and also yesterday.
Mark Plunkett had an awful first half and really can't have any complaints about being substituted at half time.
The only point I would make about the change of venue is that there is no way they should have been telling people to buy a ticket to go and stand out in a storm with absolutely no protection from the elements for any spectators." I agree Mark Plunkett had a poor first half but it looked like he wasn't sure what he was being asked to do. He was called over to the line several times to take instructions. It looked like Dean McGovern was playing some sort of sweeping role but with London having the wind he should have been alot closer to the Leitrim fullback. Shane Quinn played the sweeper role quite well under Terry Hyland and may have been better suited to it.
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Disappointed for Andy moran to lose 3 out of 4 competitive games. Lost to sligo in fbd and then two in the league. I'm sure he's gutted but he will work hard to turn it around.
theboxtyisabrewing (Mayo) - Posts: 3 - 21/02/2022 21:07:04
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Replying To SeanMacDiarmada: "We only have ourselves to blame for the defeat yesterday. The first goal was the most ridiculous I've seen in years and we really should have dropped someone in front of their full forward for the second half as he was their big danger and then he goes and scores the goal that won the game. London managed to go a whole half playing with a storm and not managing to score a point from play. We are giving away too many scoreable frees. Cost us against Cavan and also yesterday.
Mark Plunkett had an awful first half and really can't have any complaints about being substituted at half time.
The only point I would make about the change of venue is that there is no way they should have been telling people to buy a ticket to go and stand out in a storm with absolutely no protection from the elements for any spectators." I agree Mark Plunkett had a poor first half but it looked like he wasn't sure what he was being asked to do. He was called over to the line several times to take instructions. It looked like Dean McGovern was playing some sort of sweeping role but with London having the wind he should have been alot closer to the Leitrim fullback. Shane Quinn played the sweeper role quite well under Terry Hyland and may have been better suited to it.
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