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Listened to Joyce on TG4 & Galway Bay and he didn't go into details with injuries.

Haven't seen anything in the written press either unless I'm missed something?

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 267 - 26/03/2024 09:28:22    2533797

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Joyce's backroom team don't seem to be improving things much either. Not sure what Cian O' Neill has changed and S&C team don't seem to be adding much from a strength or injury prevention point of view. I'd say Joyce can't wait to get out of there, he is clearly not confident with the players at his disposal and let' be honest, everyone knows the quality just isn't there.

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 383 - 26/03/2024 09:58:01    2533800

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Granted not all of the injuries happened when involved with county. However we do seem to have a lot.

When Conroy had the shirt pulled off him, I didn't see much of a six pack. Not trying to be cruel or anything. Fantastic footballer and in great shape compared to 99.9% of population however I wonder if the shirrt was ripped off anyone from any of the other top 8 teams what we would have seen.

Maybe I'm putting 2+2 and getting 5 but you would wonder about the S&C in the squad."
Some conspiracy theorists claiming his shirt imploded due to "over conditioning". Adrian Spillane vehemently rejected accusations of wrong-doing..

AnCrúiscínLán (Galway) - Posts: 93 - 26/03/2024 10:03:20    2533803

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Replying To Fox.1n.7he.b0x:  "A lot of talk here again about goalkeepers, the one problem doesn't matter who's in goal we don't have a kick out plan we have zero movement from any of our backs and when or if they get it they don't want it, someone posted on this that club teams in Galway have better kick out strategies, so for pj he seems to go long and play the percentages and not to go coinciding soft goals just like Roscommon did on Sunday,"
How many saves has Gleeson made during the league? I can't recall too many!

Galway conceded 3 goals against Derry and 2 against Mayo but didn't concede too many goal chances in the 5 other games, perhaps thats a positive too take away!

Kickout strategy might not be great but several times during that 2nd half the short kick was on and he panicked and went long.

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 267 - 26/03/2024 10:05:13    2533804

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Replying To hopballref:  "Joyce's backroom team don't seem to be improving things much either. Not sure what Cian O' Neill has changed and S&C team don't seem to be adding much from a strength or injury prevention point of view. I'd say Joyce can't wait to get out of there, he is clearly not confident with the players at his disposal and let' be honest, everyone knows the quality just isn't there."
Cian O Neills stamp is all over the team from a style point of view. Risk Averse, Defensive and passive play. Last year and this year they are playing deplorable. I will give them a pass this year in league though because they were down so many bodies so they had to be razortight defensively.

Also, I think if you put Walsh, Comer, McDaid, Jack Glynn, Sean Kelly, Tierney back into contention then Galway are a top 4 team.

MapleSyrup (Galway) - Posts: 165 - 26/03/2024 10:16:35    2533806

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Replying To jobseekersbent:  "Sorry, meant to say that Flaherty was ahead of Carroll underage. But Carroll is a proven keeper at this level now and is ahead of Flaherty now imo."
Maybe but then Conor Carroll moved to Roscommon and is getting huge gametime and fair play to him,it is well deserved.He saw the writing on the wall a couple of years ago with the Galway set up as it is now and probably decided with his connections in Roscommon which are well known that he wanted to start and play in goals.He was given that chance.
Conor Flaherty was badly injured and it took a while to come back.He hasn't had the same chances so It wouldn't be a surprise that he isn't as far along as Conor Carroll at this stage.Doesnt mean he hasn't the potential though.Anyway it is what it is.I actually feel for Conor Gleeson and hope he does well.I just don't like his supporters negative attitude and personal attacks on Conor Flaherty who has done nothing to deserve it.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 230 - 26/03/2024 10:51:51    2533813

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Replying To TheBishop:  "How many saves has Gleeson made during the league? I can't recall too many!

Galway conceded 3 goals against Derry and 2 against Mayo but didn't concede too many goal chances in the 5 other games, perhaps thats a positive too take away!

Kickout strategy might not be great but several times during that 2nd half the short kick was on and he panicked and went long."
Of the top of my head he's probably made 3 one on ones, don't get me wrong im not defending him or anything like that, my point is they don't seem to work on it at all the short kick outs, i streamed the tuam v dunmore game and on commentary they remarked the improvement on Gleasons kick outs so they(dunmore) obviously trust the players and work on it, i think they have zero plan at all,
And Joyce seems to think hoofing up the pitch as far away from goals is the way to go,

Fox.1n.7he.b0x (Galway) - Posts: 110 - 26/03/2024 11:41:13    2533836

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Replying To Alwaysencourage:  "Maybe but then Conor Carroll moved to Roscommon and is getting huge gametime and fair play to him,it is well deserved.He saw the writing on the wall a couple of years ago with the Galway set up as it is now and probably decided with his connections in Roscommon which are well known that he wanted to start and play in goals.He was given that chance.
Conor Flaherty was badly injured and it took a while to come back.He hasn't had the same chances so It wouldn't be a surprise that he isn't as far along as Conor Carroll at this stage.Doesnt mean he hasn't the potential though.Anyway it is what it is.I actually feel for Conor Gleeson and hope he does well.I just don't like his supporters negative attitude and personal attacks on Conor Flaherty who has done nothing to deserve it."
Done nothing to deserve it? Have you even watched any Galway games in the last few years!

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 710 - 26/03/2024 11:50:41    2533839

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Replying To MapleSyrup:  "Cian O Neills stamp is all over the team from a style point of view. Risk Averse, Defensive and passive play. Last year and this year they are playing deplorable. I will give them a pass this year in league though because they were down so many bodies so they had to be razortight defensively.

Also, I think if you put Walsh, Comer, McDaid, Jack Glynn, Sean Kelly, Tierney back into contention then Galway are a top 4 team."
The problem is they have not been "razortight defensively". Most teams I have seen playing against them find it pretty easy to score especially down through the centre. I think people have to accept that there are a lot of non county standard players on the team and most of the county standard players are either injured or unavailable. Saying that the management team would not fill one with confidence either. How they have allowed the painfully slow kickouts, build-up play and multiple sloppy turnovers in games to continue is beyond credibility and approaching a farce at this stage.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3419 - 26/03/2024 12:15:33    2533849

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Replying To MapleSyrup:  "Cian O Neills stamp is all over the team from a style point of view. Risk Averse, Defensive and passive play. Last year and this year they are playing deplorable. I will give them a pass this year in league though because they were down so many bodies so they had to be razortight defensively.

Also, I think if you put Walsh, Comer, McDaid, Jack Glynn, Sean Kelly, Tierney back into contention then Galway are a top 4 team."
I agree. O'Neill had Kildare playing cautious hand-passing football too much. He was involved with Cork in 2020 and their performance in that year's Munster loss to Tipperary was abysmal, terrified of moving the ball fast.
It seems to me that Galway have gone back from 2022 where they were one of the best attacking teams in the country, to being a more cautious, measured and less effective more boring team.

In fairness for Galway this season so far, no county would cope with the injuries Galway have had. The big question is how many will they have back for real tests v either Mayo or Roscommon in Connacht.

NoughtiesFootball (USA) - Posts: 4 - 26/03/2024 13:21:15    2533864

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Replying To The_DOC:  "Done nothing to deserve it? Have you even watched any Galway games in the last few years!"
Here we go again.I am talking about personal attacks.He hasn't played for 2 years so if you want to have a go at a 19-20 year old who was only starting out go ahead.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 230 - 26/03/2024 14:33:01    2533891

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Granted not all of the injuries happened when involved with county. However we do seem to have a lot.

When Conroy had the shirt pulled off him, I didn't see much of a six pack. Not trying to be cruel or anything. Fantastic footballer and in great shape compared to 99.9% of population however I wonder if the shirrt was ripped off anyone from any of the other top 8 teams what we would have seen.

Maybe I'm putting 2+2 and getting 5 but you would wonder about the S&C in the squad."
are you being serious with that comment, if so I am genuinely embarrassed for you
the player you have mentioned above has played 16 years as an inter county footballer and your takeaway is " i didn't see much of a six pack " when he gets his jersey ripped off

candlewax (Galway) - Posts: 289 - 26/03/2024 14:53:20    2533896

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Replying To Alwaysencourage:  "Here we go again.I am talking about personal attacks.He hasn't played for 2 years so if you want to have a go at a 19-20 year old who was only starting out go ahead."
There are times they look to kick the ball in and its just not on, we've seen in the game against Kerry & Tyrone where Finnerty was on the receiving end of kick passes but both teams clocked on and their best man marker was stuck on him. Clearly with Walsh and Comer in the forward line kicking the ball in becomes easier for the man in possession. Unfortunately we've seen time and time again during the league where the ball has been kicked in and its come straight back out. Niall Daly & D'Arcy just not good enough and O'Curraoin, O'Conghaile & Cunningham are in their first year on the panel and don't possess that power just yet. O'Curraoin clearly has one hell of a boot on him, no issue with him kicking scores from distance but as most lads his age his decision making isn't just there yet either.

Galway can't be that bad, managed to stay in Div 1 missing nearly all their best players.

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 267 - 26/03/2024 15:03:15    2533901

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Replying To candlewax:  "are you being serious with that comment, if so I am genuinely embarrassed for you
the player you have mentioned above has played 16 years as an inter county footballer and your takeaway is " i didn't see much of a six pack " when he gets his jersey ripped off"
As well as coming back from a career ending double leg break and showing he can still play at a very high level.He is one of our better players.

Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 230 - 26/03/2024 15:22:25    2533908

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Replying To NoughtiesFootball:  "I agree. O'Neill had Kildare playing cautious hand-passing football too much. He was involved with Cork in 2020 and their performance in that year's Munster loss to Tipperary was abysmal, terrified of moving the ball fast.
It seems to me that Galway have gone back from 2022 where they were one of the best attacking teams in the country, to being a more cautious, measured and less effective more boring team.

In fairness for Galway this season so far, no county would cope with the injuries Galway have had. The big question is how many will they have back for real tests v either Mayo or Roscommon in Connacht."
We all have short memories, do you remember the way we were ripped to shreds in the 2021 Connacht final in CP? Something had to be done.

Yes 2022 we put on some great attacking displays but our conceded score average in championship was roughly 15 scores per game. In 2023 I do agree I think our attacking game didn't evolve as our defensive system got better (we conceded roughly 12 scores per game in last year's championship which is a big improvement).

I know there is a bit of criticism around O'Neill but one thing that cannot be denied is our defensive set up is night and day compared to the start of Joyce tenure. We just need to up our scoring average which I think will come if we can get some of our forwards back in contention.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1583 - 26/03/2024 18:57:43    2533971

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Replying To ahsure.:  "We all have short memories, do you remember the way we were ripped to shreds in the 2021 Connacht final in CP? Something had to be done.

Yes 2022 we put on some great attacking displays but our conceded score average in championship was roughly 15 scores per game. In 2023 I do agree I think our attacking game didn't evolve as our defensive system got better (we conceded roughly 12 scores per game in last year's championship which is a big improvement).

I know there is a bit of criticism around O'Neill but one thing that cannot be denied is our defensive set up is night and day compared to the start of Joyce tenure. We just need to up our scoring average which I think will come if we can get some of our forwards back in contention."
The trouble with a word like 'evolve' is that it conveys the impression that we should be improving offensively, and that management are somewhat to blame for that lack of evolution. The other side of that coin is that our team lacks pace as a group, and squads need pace to attack modern day football mass defences. We have Walsh and McDaid with real pace, and that's hardly enough to 'evolve' from our 2022 level. It's no coincidence that it was those two players who troubled the scoreboard at the 2022 final, and no other players. Speed kills, and Galway need more pace in the squad imo before they'll achieve the offensive evolution that you refer to.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3531 - 26/03/2024 21:00:27    2534001

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "The trouble with a word like 'evolve' is that it conveys the impression that we should be improving offensively, and that management are somewhat to blame for that lack of evolution. The other side of that coin is that our team lacks pace as a group, and squads need pace to attack modern day football mass defences. We have Walsh and McDaid with real pace, and that's hardly enough to 'evolve' from our 2022 level. It's no coincidence that it was those two players who troubled the scoreboard at the 2022 final, and no other players. Speed kills, and Galway need more pace in the squad imo before they'll achieve the offensive evolution that you refer to."
Johnny McGrath, Cathal Sweeney and Daniel O'Flaherty have real pace, but we are lacking it in a few areas. McDaid is also a powerful runner able to break tackles, as is Comer. Players like that create so much space for others.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2078 - 26/03/2024 23:47:24    2534028

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Johnny McGrath, Cathal Sweeney and Daniel O'Flaherty have real pace, but we are lacking it in a few areas. McDaid is also a powerful runner able to break tackles, as is Comer. Players like that create so much space for others."
Shane Walsh is no slow coach either! Sean Kelly too. Also I think Johnny Heaney has shown more pace this year than I had given him credit for.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 850 - 27/03/2024 10:23:00    2534061

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Granted not all of the injuries happened when involved with county. However we do seem to have a lot.

When Conroy had the shirt pulled off him, I didn't see much of a six pack. Not trying to be cruel or anything. Fantastic footballer and in great shape compared to 99.9% of population however I wonder if the shirrt was ripped off anyone from any of the other top 8 teams what we would have seen.

Maybe I'm putting 2+2 and getting 5 but you would wonder about the S&C in the squad."
Christ that's an embarrassing comment

hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 383 - 27/03/2024 10:56:01    2534064

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Shane Walsh is no slow coach either! Sean Kelly too. Also I think Johnny Heaney has shown more pace this year than I had given him credit for."
Yes Johnny Heaney has really put on the afterburners in recent games. Pace is an issue for some players but I think S&C is a bigger issue in the team generally e.g. getting dispossessed too easily etc. along with a non-existent kick-out strategy.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3419 - 27/03/2024 11:28:17    2534065

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