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Cheers CiarraiMick and Black+Blue(Galway) good reasonable discussions with you as always. Healthy debate is always good rather than those who talk a big game and say nothing.

Again apologise if i confused with the point i made yesterday.

GDF is an area that should surely be looked at if there such a small gap in playing numbers between Cork and Dublin with 4-5 times the population.

Another issue I've noticed is how can counties keep players at home with proper jobs, so they are able to train and participate etc. I know a lot of the Mayo and Donegal lads (and many others too I'm sure) are based in Dublin and trekking back up the country 2-4 times a week. I know its more a political issue but maybe given Covid showing jobs can be done remotely now some of these lads could be based in their home counties and not having to travel as much. Its a huge advantage Dublin has is that all their players are based within an hour at most from training (often less) whereas even lads in Meath/Kildare/Wicklow/ Louth could take double that time to get from jobs in Dublin to training, nevermind those much further afield.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1981 - 12/02/2021 12:30:20    2331178

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Replying To brian:  "Cheers CiarraiMick and Black+Blue(Galway) good reasonable discussions with you as always. Healthy debate is always good rather than those who talk a big game and say nothing.

Again apologise if i confused with the point i made yesterday.

GDF is an area that should surely be looked at if there such a small gap in playing numbers between Cork and Dublin with 4-5 times the population.

Another issue I've noticed is how can counties keep players at home with proper jobs, so they are able to train and participate etc. I know a lot of the Mayo and Donegal lads (and many others too I'm sure) are based in Dublin and trekking back up the country 2-4 times a week. I know its more a political issue but maybe given Covid showing jobs can be done remotely now some of these lads could be based in their home counties and not having to travel as much. Its a huge advantage Dublin has is that all their players are based within an hour at most from training (often less) whereas even lads in Meath/Kildare/Wicklow/ Louth could take double that time to get from jobs in Dublin to training, nevermind those much further afield."
Oh we can all see you're a master debater Brian, (big time I'd say) except when somebody talks up to you and then you run for the hills.

Anyway you gave your opinion but you actually brought nothing new to the debate only rehashing what others have said and you brought no solutions only for everyone to sit tight any hopefully dublin will get bored and give up.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/02/2021 13:08:47    2331182

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Replying To brian:  "Cheers CiarraiMick and Black+Blue(Galway) good reasonable discussions with you as always. Healthy debate is always good rather than those who talk a big game and say nothing.

Again apologise if i confused with the point i made yesterday.

GDF is an area that should surely be looked at if there such a small gap in playing numbers between Cork and Dublin with 4-5 times the population.

Another issue I've noticed is how can counties keep players at home with proper jobs, so they are able to train and participate etc. I know a lot of the Mayo and Donegal lads (and many others too I'm sure) are based in Dublin and trekking back up the country 2-4 times a week. I know its more a political issue but maybe given Covid showing jobs can be done remotely now some of these lads could be based in their home counties and not having to travel as much. Its a huge advantage Dublin has is that all their players are based within an hour at most from training (often less) whereas even lads in Meath/Kildare/Wicklow/ Louth could take double that time to get from jobs in Dublin to training, nevermind those much further afield."
Yea I think we have to open out the discussion and maybe get more creative with our solutions in order to improve the Mens Inter County Championships in particular.....it's very unlikely that Dublin will be split or there will be any form of County/regional amalgamations in the next decade or so ....its too radical a suggestion at the moment....it's probably down to competition reform really to make any big difference...

2 groups of 16 teams would probably be the most helpful in terms of getting lots of teams playing against the top few and therefore improving over time but it's hard to see 16 current teams operating at that level....

I think an Intermediate and Junior competition could both be very exciting and competitive when you assess the levels where most Counties are atright now.... ironically out "top" Senior competition could be the least competitive or exciting !.... also possibly the smallest grouping of teams !!.... lol

Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 12/02/2021 13:09:16    2331183

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I certainly do, id be a big advocate for improved GDF in Cork, Galway, Limerick, and Down as well as Dublin. Big population centers dont do quite so well as some other counties on GDF, and their isnt consistency in distribution in my opinion.

Again id go back to headline figure not being reprehensive. Here you are making an argument of doesn't the population of Galway deserve the same funding as the population of Dublin. But here is the actual funding to population ratios:

Population of Galway: 258k, GDF 2019: 239K = 92.6 cent per head.

Population of Dublin: 1.35 mill. GDF: 2019: 1.33 mill = 98.5 per head.

Galway also receive one fifth of 217K, provincial allocation for GDF so an additional 40k, making it population 258k, GDF 289k making it a ratio of 1. 12 cent per head.

Dublin dont receive GDF from Leinster, but directly from the ISC. Sources are GAA accounts for 2019 and the last census, co you can work out yourself if you are so inclined.

Absolutely, id be delighted with an increase in Galway's funding to cultivate the other 90%, i think you have to look at Urban areas differently, not just Galway but elsewhere, i think its trickier for Galway , Cork, Limerick, Down and Antrim as they are counties with a duel urban and rural population and they both have problems on opposite ends of the spectrum all within the one county, we just have the urban issue.

On Dublin funding yes, if it was found to be ineffective id want it stopped immediately, no body wants money wasted.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4515 - 12/02/2021 13:26:08    2331187

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Replying To Black+Blue:  "Yea I think we have to open out the discussion and maybe get more creative with our solutions in order to improve the Mens Inter County Championships in particular.....it's very unlikely that Dublin will be split or there will be any form of County/regional amalgamations in the next decade or so ....its too radical a suggestion at the moment....it's probably down to competition reform really to make any big difference...

2 groups of 16 teams would probably be the most helpful in terms of getting lots of teams playing against the top few and therefore improving over time but it's hard to see 16 current teams operating at that level....

I think an Intermediate and Junior competition could both be very exciting and competitive when you assess the levels where most Counties are atright now.... ironically out "top" Senior competition could be the least competitive or exciting !.... also possibly the smallest grouping of teams !!.... lol"
I like your idea there of a senior, Inter and Junior, i mean it works for ladies football so why not attempt something at mens level in the hopes of teams improving. Would a 12, 10 and 10 system maybe work? With promotion and relegation. I'm sure i'll rehash someone's previous idea but I'll try and provide some idea.

Provincial Championships
I think everyone agree's the provincial championships in football are dead in Munster and Leinster, but i think Ulster and Connacht are competitive so they shouldn't be done away with just for the sake of it. Why not run them off in March April... 4 weeks straight through and allow players back to their clubs for 4-6 weeks

Reward for winning your province is you are guaranteed a spot in the top 12 Senior all ireland

Open Draw All Ireland
All 32 teams into an open draw with no seedings, run off over 5 straight weekends in May/June. Every team gets a game and would throw up novel pairings. No home fixtures, all games played at neutral venues with semi's and finals at HQ. Dublin not allowed play at HQ prior to semi finals. Imagine Dublin v Kerry in Thurles in the first round of the championship. Or Dublin v Leitrim in Carrick on Shannon for the romance element.

Reward for winning is you are guaranteed a spot in the top 12 Senior all ireland if not already secured.

All Ireland Championships
Senior , Inter and Junior - Groups of 6 and 5 - Two home, two away and then 1 in Croke Park for senior teams. Dublin not allowed play at HQ prior to semi finals. These determine seedings and you run off the championships with top 8 at each grade. 1v8 2v7, 3v6, 4v5 to be played at a neutral venue. Semi's and finals at Croke Park with all finals played the same day so a team in the lower grades gets an all ireland final and day out. Bottom two at senior and intermediate playing in a relegation playoff with winners at intermediate and Junior getting promoted.

This is run off straight after the Open Draw All Ireland

Teams are guaranteed 7 competitive games a year with the chance to play at their level, playing competitively in the summer, with a chance to play on all ireland day.

i'm sure there's kinks and idea's that would have to be ironed out around it but there you go.

I'm sure someone has suggested this before so apologise if it's plagerism.

Not saying it will cure anything at all but might solve the idea of players slogging their guts out in winter and not playing when the sun shines over the summer in the championships.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1981 - 12/02/2021 13:51:28    2331191

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Jeez some people on here create an awful lot of noise but as an old lecturer used to say to me empty cans make the most noise.. i know some who that applies to for sure

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1981 - 12/02/2021 13:53:58    2331192

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I certainly do, id be a big advocate for improved GDF in Cork, Galway, Limerick, and Down as well as Dublin. Big population centers dont do quite so well as some other counties on GDF, and their isnt consistency in distribution in my opinion.

Again id go back to headline figure not being reprehensive. Here you are making an argument of doesn't the population of Galway deserve the same funding as the population of Dublin. But here is the actual funding to population ratios:

Population of Galway: 258k, GDF 2019: 239K = 92.6 cent per head.

Population of Dublin: 1.35 mill. GDF: 2019: 1.33 mill = 98.5 per head.

Galway also receive one fifth of 217K, provincial allocation for GDF so an additional 40k, making it population 258k, GDF 289k making it a ratio of 1. 12 cent per head.

Dublin dont receive GDF from Leinster, but directly from the ISC. Sources are GAA accounts for 2019 and the last census, co you can work out yourself if you are so inclined.

Absolutely, id be delighted with an increase in Galway's funding to cultivate the other 90%, i think you have to look at Urban areas differently, not just Galway but elsewhere, i think its trickier for Galway , Cork, Limerick, Down and Antrim as they are counties with a duel urban and rural population and they both have problems on opposite ends of the spectrum all within the one county, we just have the urban issue.

On Dublin funding yes, if it was found to be ineffective id want it stopped immediately, no body wants money wasted."
I wasn't actually making an argument for Galway receiving more funding Username... I was ind of mimicking your comment of 90+% of Dublins population don't play GAA so that's why Dublin deserves the GDF...so should that be the same for Galway aswell....surely up to 90% odd of almost every County don't play any GAA....? So therefore everyone deserves the funding ?

I'm on record here as saying I wouldn't welcome any more development money into Galway untill the correct person was secured to spearhead the use of that money and a good Plan was in place...

The figures on development funding seem to vary from poster to poster and from source to source depending on whether the person quotes "actual " population or " registered GAA population" and this is probably not helping matters atall....

Maybe the Barrister from Westmeath ( John Connellan ? ) is on the right track with his suggestion of linking funding to "actual registered GAA players " with a 5% allowence towards the higher side of a Counties number each year ?.... would be reviewed /increased yearly and be centrally circulated....it would allow Counties to plan and grow numbers and would seem to be a fair method ??.... would also make the debate more transparent/less confusing....

Maybe we should put all the money into marketing/making GAA stars more visible or more accessible to public/ making different indoor versions of our games/More 7 a side competitions for all abilities and ages etc etc to make our association more accessable, increase the participating numbers from all over the Country, both Urban and Rural ? ... that's a Plan I'm sure we would all get behind .

Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 12/02/2021 14:03:48    2331193

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Replying To brian:  "Jeez some people on here create an awful lot of noise but as an old lecturer used to say to me empty cans make the most noise.. i know some who that applies to for sure"
I think there was a reason your old lecturer used to say that to " you" brian he was probably trying to be subtle.

And if you're hearing noise while reading a written forum you might be suffering from tinnitus.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/02/2021 14:04:42    2331194

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I think there was a reason your old lecturer used to say that to " you" brian he was probably trying to be subtle.

And if you're hearing noise while reading a written forum you might be suffering from tinnitus."
You made me smile with that riposte Kingdom Boy.
Was that a self deprecating post by "Brian" or is he an innocent abroad...lol?

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 13/02/2021 01:13:28    2331253

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I think there was a reason your old lecturer used to say that to " you" brian he was probably trying to be subtle.

And if you're hearing noise while reading a written forum you might be suffering from tinnitus."
Lol. Brilliant.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 13/02/2021 10:22:53    2331260

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "You made me smile with that riposte Kingdom Boy.
Was that a self deprecating post by "Brian" or is he an innocent abroad...lol?"
I don't know on the ditch, he's deffo not self deprecating anyway, he's just got a big problem accepting people with different views to his own , a bit of a G-owl I'd say :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/02/2021 15:16:33    2331278

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I don't know on the ditch, he's deffo not self deprecating anyway, he's just got a big problem accepting people with different views to his own , a bit of a G-owl I'd say :-)"
In fairness for a Meath man to so strenuously and passionately comment on how brilliant his counties arch rivals are could arguably be interpreted as self deprecation.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 13/02/2021 18:02:46    2331290

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Replying To Galway9801:  "In fairness for a Meath man to so strenuously and passionately comment on how brilliant his counties arch rivals are could arguably be interpreted as self deprecation."
That's true, I mean I like Cork ( but that's probably only since the back door came in and cause we beat them more than they beat us and I'm miles from the border)

I have relatives down there but the feeling of love isnt reciprocal as they hate us with venom and you'll never have a self respecting Cork man standing up for Kerry and the same probably goes for Kerry folk who live on or near the border as they'd hate Cork,

I enjoy the craic with them though especially when they're strong you can imagine a pub full of cute Kerry and Cork hoors playing down our chance and bigging up each others teams and as the old saying goes Cork men are just Kerry men with shoes :-)

Is that self deprecating? :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/02/2021 20:33:14    2331298

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "That's true, I mean I like Cork ( but that's probably only since the back door came in and cause we beat them more than they beat us and I'm miles from the border)

I have relatives down there but the feeling of love isnt reciprocal as they hate us with venom and you'll never have a self respecting Cork man standing up for Kerry and the same probably goes for Kerry folk who live on or near the border as they'd hate Cork,

I enjoy the craic with them though especially when they're strong you can imagine a pub full of cute Kerry and Cork hoors playing down our chance and bigging up each others teams and as the old saying goes Cork men are just Kerry men with shoes :-)

Is that self deprecating? :-)"
Ah, sure you're only fresh outta the tree Tommy.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 13/02/2021 23:07:37    2331314

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Great to see the multiple accounts were in full effect over the weekend with nothing to add to the discussion. H yeah with so much time and nothing to do with it ;)

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1981 - 15/02/2021 10:51:39    2331426

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Replying To brian:  "Great to see the multiple accounts were in full effect over the weekend with nothing to add to the discussion. H yeah with so much time and nothing to do with it ;)"
Ahh well sure you had to be doing something I suppose brian.

Have you no special man or woman in your life for valentines?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/02/2021 11:05:58    2331427

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Bump!!!

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 24/02/2021 00:38:02    2332590

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Bump!!!"
Bored are you !!!

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 24/02/2021 09:26:12    2332601

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Bored are you !!!"
Someone must've logged into their other aliases and decided to have a moan about Dublin GAA again cos they've nothing better to do

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1981 - 24/02/2021 12:10:09    2332621

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With the four Dublin teams in the tiered competition,play three in the top tier and DLRD in the second tier.Twelve or more teams in top tier?what do people think?

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 24/02/2021 21:54:50    2332685

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