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Replying To brian:  "Nothing insular about it. Why should we think outside the box for one competition. Why should it be only the football championship. You can't have one rule/ set of teams for one competition and different teams for everything else. Again many of the points I raised come into play. GDF and central & provincial council funding goes on a county by county basis. How are the amalgamated teams funded? Do both counties put in the same amount? When do they play and train together for your AI championship? Why are they separate for one thing and not another. It's the GAA you're talking about where change is slow.

County teams want to play games together not in a half assed two set up way with two sets of management, two sets of tactics, two styles of play, two different training regimes and demands on their time. We're talking about player burn out yet we're suggesting that teams now amalgamate. Jesus a young lad at college could end up with 7/8 different teams wanting their services. College, club, county, underage, amalgamated county.. how are they supposed to fit more in.

Yes a tiered championship would work best for all. Amalgamation If brought in would be for a short space of time won't solve any of the issues that exist in the current game.

Here's a question on it, Dublin play however many games a year, say 10. How many games do these amalgamated teams play together? Is it a one and done thing? Are there amalgamated team leagues and then county leagues? How are lads supposed to come together with little to no games together to try and beat a team like Dublin who'd be playing together all the time....

If this was for hurling would Limerick amalgamate with Clare, Cork, Tipp or Kerry. Would they hell. So why should it be done for football.

I understand the point you're trying to make but there's a lot of holes in the way your approaching it. Until there's some kind of thinking and structure behind it it's a fart in the wind."
The reason this has been broached is because the AI Senior Football championship is non competitive and uneven and unfair and closer to home the Leinster senior Football championship is dead in the water.I live in Meath for nearly 40 years and have enjoyed some great days supporting the Royals and being involved with under age football with my club.Club football in Meath has diminished in standard and Meath clubs have a very poor record in the Leinster Senior Club championship for far too long in addition to The County Senior football team.

I totally agree that the GAA is a very slow moving organization and change will come very very slowly.The whole structure and team representation in the GAA at inter county level in both codes is in need of being improved and made inclusive for players in all counties to aspire to playing at elite level but this is not being discussed here.Pat Gilroys suggestions re making Senior inter county football competitive got a lot of people thinking about it so its just the football we are dealing with here.Amalgamated teams for the weaker counties and I include Meath in the weaker category is part of the solution.

In my opinion there are six teams capable of being stand alone teams....Kerry,Cork,Galway.Mayo,Donegal and Tyrone.With Dublin split into four teams and two amalgamated teams representing the Dublin area in the AI senior football championship and eight amalgamated teams we would have a 16 team competitive AI Senior football championship.I would be in favour of four groups of four with each team playing three home and three away games,so in answer to your question 6 games.

So most people agree that we have a major problem with the AI senior football competition and really its not fit for purpose in its present format.Like in business or politics,having established that there is a problem,we then ask ourselves what do we want,do we want an even competitive Senior football championship....I think the consensus is that we do.Then how do we achieve that,this proposal is one way of achieving that.Once there is consensus on that then the GAA hierarchy and Counties get together and hammer out the fine details of how it can all be fitted in together.A bit like the Good Friday agreement,the fine detail comes later and can be problematic but not impossible.Similarly when a company brings in a Mangement Consultancy firm....the fine detail of how it all works is the last thing to be discussed and agreed.You never try to jump a fence until you reach it.
Now it helps if a person has a can do attitude and sees solutions where others just see stumbling blocks.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 16/03/2021 21:32:39    2334358

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "The reason this has been broached is because the AI Senior Football championship is non competitive and uneven and unfair and closer to home the Leinster senior Football championship is dead in the water.I live in Meath for nearly 40 years and have enjoyed some great days supporting the Royals and being involved with under age football with my club.Club football in Meath has diminished in standard and Meath clubs have a very poor record in the Leinster Senior Club championship for far too long in addition to The County Senior football team.

I totally agree that the GAA is a very slow moving organization and change will come very very slowly.The whole structure and team representation in the GAA at inter county level in both codes is in need of being improved and made inclusive for players in all counties to aspire to playing at elite level but this is not being discussed here.Pat Gilroys suggestions re making Senior inter county football competitive got a lot of people thinking about it so its just the football we are dealing with here.Amalgamated teams for the weaker counties and I include Meath in the weaker category is part of the solution.

In my opinion there are six teams capable of being stand alone teams....Kerry,Cork,Galway.Mayo,Donegal and Tyrone.With Dublin split into four teams and two amalgamated teams representing the Dublin area in the AI senior football championship and eight amalgamated teams we would have a 16 team competitive AI Senior football championship.I would be in favour of four groups of four with each team playing three home and three away games,so in answer to your question 6 games.

So most people agree that we have a major problem with the AI senior football competition and really its not fit for purpose in its present format.Like in business or politics,having established that there is a problem,we then ask ourselves what do we want,do we want an even competitive Senior football championship....I think the consensus is that we do.Then how do we achieve that,this proposal is one way of achieving that.Once there is consensus on that then the GAA hierarchy and Counties get together and hammer out the fine details of how it can all be fitted in together.A bit like the Good Friday agreement,the fine detail comes later and can be problematic but not impossible.Similarly when a company brings in a Mangement Consultancy firm....the fine detail of how it all works is the last thing to be discussed and agreed.You never try to jump a fence until you reach it.
Now it helps if a person has a can do attitude and sees solutions where others just see stumbling blocks."
In my opinion there are 7 teams capable of being stand alone teams Kerry , Cork ,Galway .Mayo , Donegal , Tyrone and
Dublin -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 16/03/2021 22:20:55    2334364

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I would go for a Senior, Intermediate and Junior. Top 8 in Senior, middle 16 in Intermediate and the rest in junior. Leave Dublin as it is and if that's not competitive then amalgamate rather than split Dubin

dufferman (Down) - Posts: 157 - 17/03/2021 16:26:56    2334401

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I wouldn't be for splitting Dublin. Sure it'd take the good out of beating them. Forever after, they'd be saying that "you only won because they split us up". Dublin are beatable. Kerry or Tyrone will be the first county to do it.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 17/03/2021 16:49:27    2334402

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Replying To essmac:  "I wouldn't be for splitting Dublin. Sure it'd take the good out of beating them. Forever after, they'd be saying that "you only won because they split us up". Dublin are beatable. Kerry or Tyrone will be the first county to do it."
Agreed Dublin are 100% beatable , thought it would have happened last year to be honest .

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 17/03/2021 17:24:40    2334408

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Agreed Dublin are 100% beatable , thought it would have happened last year to be honest ."
Whatever about Kerry, Tyrone are a long way off beating Dublin!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 940 - 17/03/2021 18:31:56    2334414

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "Whatever about Kerry, Tyrone are a long way off beating Dublin!"
I don't agree John. I think Tyrone with the right tactics have the firepower to beat anyone especially if they stay injury free.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 17/03/2021 18:55:53    2334418

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I can't agree that the prize of beating Dublin once in a while is good enough to continue with the status quo and a dead Leinster championship..same in Munster..sure it was never really alive there,Connaught not even and competitive,Ulster most competitive but too many teams not competitive.
So really it should be left alone so that one or two teams can crow that they beat the Dubs once every 10 or twenty years,what naivety!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 17/03/2021 19:38:05    2334422

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Agreed Dublin are 100% beatable , thought it would have happened last year to be honest ."
The pick of the rest of the country wouldn't beat that Dublin team..they might get it within a point or two if it was out of Croke Park, otherwise not a hope

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 17/03/2021 19:41:39    2334423

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Agreed Dublin are 100% beatable , thought it would have happened last year to be honest ."
Every team is beatable eventually but when and how often will Dublin be beatable, I can't see anyone beating them in the Leinster championship.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 17/03/2021 19:51:56    2334424

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Replying To essmac:  "I wouldn't be for splitting Dublin. Sure it'd take the good out of beating them. Forever after, they'd be saying that "you only won because they split us up". Dublin are beatable. Kerry or Tyrone will be the first county to do it."
I would add Donegal, Galway and Mayo into that group.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 17/03/2021 20:39:38    2334427

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I genuinely don't get the view on Dublin being unbeaten le. I'm not being disrespectful but no team nor any person is unbeatable. Dublin have been a fantastic team but last years win should be put into perspective. Alot of Dublin posters here felt Dublin probably would regress a little and did nt expect them to win Sam. The teams that were being talked up to challenge them were Kerry Donegal and Tyrone. All 3 were ko D early. Dublin were always expected to win Leinster easily and then they had Cavan who are relegated to division 3 and Mayo who are relegated to Div 2.. Mayo were given no hope at the start of the championship by the pundits. Dublin won a tough Sam in 2019 and folk say they are beatable. They win a handier one on 2020 and folk say they re unbeatable. I don't get it. Dublin of course are still the team to beat and the best team around but the gap is narrowing imo. Dublin might win again this year but I'm certain it will be a harder run if they do.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 17/03/2021 21:01:21    2334429

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I genuinely don't get the view on Dublin being unbeaten le. I'm not being disrespectful but no team nor any person is unbeatable. Dublin have been a fantastic team but last years win should be put into perspective. Alot of Dublin posters here felt Dublin probably would regress a little and did nt expect them to win Sam. The teams that were being talked up to challenge them were Kerry Donegal and Tyrone. All 3 were ko D early. Dublin were always expected to win Leinster easily and then they had Cavan who are relegated to division 3 and Mayo who are relegated to Div 2.. Mayo were given no hope at the start of the championship by the pundits. Dublin won a tough Sam in 2019 and folk say they are beatable. They win a handier one on 2020 and folk say they re unbeatable. I don't get it. Dublin of course are still the team to beat and the best team around but the gap is narrowing imo. Dublin might win again this year but I'm certain it will be a harder run if they do."
Hmmm, I'm not sure I agree mate. From 2011 to 2017 Dublin found it tough, having been given at least one serious test each year, but realistically the drawn all Ireland final of 2019 was their only real test for the last 3 years, and being honest they were absolutely deserving winners in 2019,had kerry won that day it would have been a real smash and grab. Dublin dominated most of the game, even with 14 men.

Every time a Dublin legend retires his absence is barely even noticed.

I think the gap is widening tbh. My fear is that just like it took Dublin time to annex leinster, it'll take them time to do the same to the all Ireland, but the process may have begun.

I truly hope that some other team (preferably a few) do come along and win All Irelands soon as I hate the idea of Dublin being split but I also want a competitive championship.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 17/03/2021 22:39:37    2334431

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Hmmm, I'm not sure I agree mate. From 2011 to 2017 Dublin found it tough, having been given at least one serious test each year, but realistically the drawn all Ireland final of 2019 was their only real test for the last 3 years, and being honest they were absolutely deserving winners in 2019,had kerry won that day it would have been a real smash and grab. Dublin dominated most of the game, even with 14 men.

Every time a Dublin legend retires his absence is barely even noticed.

I think the gap is widening tbh. My fear is that just like it took Dublin time to annex leinster, it'll take them time to do the same to the all Ireland, but the process may have begun.

I truly hope that some other team (preferably a few) do come along and win All Irelands soon as I hate the idea of Dublin being split but I also want a competitive championship."
And just regarding the 2020 championship, there seems to be an attitude that the dubs were somehow a bit lucky to have won it, kerry/tyrone were gone early, they only had to play cavan in the semi etc etc
Dublin were head and shoulders above everyone they played last year. There's no evidence whatsoever that had they played a donegal or a kerry in the championship they would have struggled.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 17/03/2021 22:53:49    2334435

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Hmmm, I'm not sure I agree mate. From 2011 to 2017 Dublin found it tough, having been given at least one serious test each year, but realistically the drawn all Ireland final of 2019 was their only real test for the last 3 years, and being honest they were absolutely deserving winners in 2019,had kerry won that day it would have been a real smash and grab. Dublin dominated most of the game, even with 14 men.

Every time a Dublin legend retires his absence is barely even noticed.

I think the gap is widening tbh. My fear is that just like it took Dublin time to annex leinster, it'll take them time to do the same to the all Ireland, but the process may have begun.

I truly hope that some other team (preferably a few) do come along and win All Irelands soon as I hate the idea of Dublin being split but I also want a competitive championship."
Oh I agree Dublin deserved to win in 2019 but my point was that with retirements etc even Dub posters felt they were very beatable last year and even in the league it was their worst league in years. The championship just fell nicely for them with other results going their way. So maybe they are not as strong as 18 or 19..I believe they are not. They are still the top dog but beatable imo. My maín point is why is it that last year people thought they were beatable but now they think not but as I say without being disrespectful to Mayo or Cavan Dublin had an easy run last year. Last years Mayo team was nt a patch on the 14 to 17 team. Dublin will be favourites and rightly so but for me it's game on.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 17/03/2021 23:02:28    2334436

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Oh I agree Dublin deserved to win in 2019 but my point was that with retirements etc even Dub posters felt they were very beatable last year and even in the league it was their worst league in years. The championship just fell nicely for them with other results going their way. So maybe they are not as strong as 18 or 19..I believe they are not. They are still the top dog but beatable imo. My maín point is why is it that last year people thought they were beatable but now they think not but as I say without being disrespectful to Mayo or Cavan Dublin had an easy run last year. Last years Mayo team was nt a patch on the 14 to 17 team. Dublin will be favourites and rightly so but for me it's game on."
Ah now cute hoorism is not the monopoly of Kerry supporters,I wouldn't be taken in by that.Dublin will be beaten but how often and that is the nub of the issue!
There a few supporters in the so called top counties who would be happy to beat Dublin, as its presently constituted,once in a lifetime and they would be sated by that....how sad!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 18/03/2021 21:28:02    2334491

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If that was true yes it is sad.I can only speak for myself and maybe im spoiled but I want to win every game and beating Dublin or any team for that matter only sporadically would not be good enough for me.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 18/03/2021 22:06:28    2334492

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Wikipedia tells me that in 1924 Kerry won their 6th AI football championship by which time Dublin had won 14,so we had Dublin dominance over Kerry 100 years ago.
I must say the roll of honour makes sad reading with two counties dominating.Surely someone somewhere in the GAA must have concluded along the way that a more even competition was required.
Makes me think how the GAA hierarchy measure success in the organization.And yes I know that participation is most important but how many counties can say that they realistically participate in the AI football championship.Surely real participation has to allow for some chance of success and that is only achievable for a handful of teams.
Perhaps that's what the silent majority wants but one has to wonder.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 18/03/2021 23:49:20    2334498

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "Wikipedia tells me that in 1924 Kerry won their 6th AI football championship by which time Dublin had won 14,so we had Dublin dominance over Kerry 100 years ago.
I must say the roll of honour makes sad reading with two counties dominating.Surely someone somewhere in the GAA must have concluded along the way that a more even competition was required.
Makes me think how the GAA hierarchy measure success in the organization.And yes I know that participation is most important but how many counties can say that they realistically participate in the AI football championship.Surely real participation has to allow for some chance of success and that is only achievable for a handful of teams.
Perhaps that's what the silent majority wants but one has to wonder."
Agreed the roll of honour looks very lopsided and even the early years does n't tell the full story with Dublin.The gaa was nt that popular in Dublin in the early days and the Dublin teams consisted mainly of country people representing Dublin with a lot of the team being Gardaí and teachers and the likes.Dublin was Dublin in name only but success breeds success and Dubliners started getting interested then.The gaa don't do enough to help the weaker counties imo and unless they do the strong will get stronger.However despite all the doom and gloom with a lot of people about Dublins dominance it should be noted that in the last decade (despite the Dubs unprecedented success) 4 different teams won the all Ireland Cork Dublin Donegal and Kerry and Mayo came so so close on more than one occasion.The decade previous was dominated by Tyrone and Kerry and also had 4 different winners including Armagh and Galway.The 90 s was probably the most exciting in football with 8 different teams winning the Sam -Down and Meath (twice) Cork Donegal Derry Dublin Kerry and Galway.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 20/03/2021 14:37:15    2334594

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Ah Mick... Dublin have completely dominated the last decade...10 Leinsters in a row and 8 All Ireland's !!...to try and compare that with the previous 2 decades is disingenuous .

I'd like to see the odds on them winning 9/10 of the 10 Leinsters this decade and 7/8 of the 10 All Ireland's this decade as well....they already have 1 of each so far ...

Black+Blue (Galway) - Posts: 134 - 20/03/2021 17:14:25    2334607

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