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Replying To waynoI:  "I hope these threads continue from now til the end of time. If were provoking threads like this then were going alright. Much prefer these posts to the ones circa 2008/9 when we were slaughtered and ridiculed for our population and lack of success getting battered to pieces against the top teams. Life comes at you fast folks."
Well said Wayno, yeah the abuse we took when taking hammerings from Tyrone, Armagh,Kerry not to mention Laois and Westmeath beating us in the Leinster championship ,the shoe is on the other foot now and they don't like it ,they're using every excuse in the book to make excuses for their own counties shortcomings both on and off the field !

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 941 - 06/12/2020 09:51:00    2319024

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Replying To waynoI:  "I hope these threads continue from now til the end of time. If were provoking threads like this then were going alright. Much prefer these posts to the ones circa 2008/9 when we were slaughtered and ridiculed for our population and lack of success getting battered to pieces against the top teams. Life comes at you fast folks."
"Battered to pieces against these top teams"! Teams? There is only one top team and it's not in Leinster!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 06/12/2020 09:57:32    2319026

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Part of it might be due to the much larger pick, they're going to have more elite athletes, simply due to numbers. There are levels to everything, so in terms of the best athletes, if you have 500 at that level vs 100 in another county, you're likely to get more good footballers in the 500 to go with the athleticism.
I disagree with the separate comments made above about poor skill levels though. Any look at games now versus 10 years, 20 years, 30 years ago or before, shows skill levels way beyond what they were. The number of players who can kick scores off their weaker foot now for example, is miles ahead of what it was.
That's a different argument to the style of play though. I agree that the maintain possession at all costs style can be mindnumbing at times. It is up to the opposing team to pressure further up the pitch to stop this however. Cavan obviously couldn't do that in numbers today, as it could have left them very open early on."
Skills on show this year has been ridiculous, notable mention to Cavan yesterday, some of their scores were some of the best ive seen of a team coming to Croke Park in a lot of years, Donegal great execution of balanced skills, Shane Walsh of Galway - best player in the country for me certainly the most skillful.

What Dublin are doing this year is total football, they have mastered every skill in the play book, using the entirety of the pitch and making the ball and movement do it its own work, there was a phase of play yesterday with three players heading in three different directions, Cavan defenders in knots and Howard laying it off to take three of them out of the game, Dublib are playing total football not seen before.

Im afreaid to see it but i think Dessie has evolved Dublin hes maintained the ruthlessness but has let them off the leash a little but since Jim, i could watch this Dublin team just all day they are incredible.

All that to be tempered though by the fact everyone is ignoring, Dublin have played no body yet and some how are in a final - Meath are the only Div 1 team they have faced and were resoundingly beaten by every one in Div 1 this year. Lets wait and see how good Dublin are under Dessie Farrell when the game will be in the melting pot in the next game.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4518 - 06/12/2020 10:02:16    2319027

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Don't know about football being finished. Even though we couldn't attend, getting games up and running again saved this modt awful of years. Watched a great club championship and the knockout all Ireland has been mostly brilliant. Because one exceptional team is dominant at present doesn't mean the game is finished. Some folk need to grow up and stop bitching. My views will be the same even if Mayo lose to Tipp today or to Dublin if we reach the final.

ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 658 - 06/12/2020 10:02:27    2319028

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Replying To traleegerry:  "Mighty men from cavan the answer is very simple the dubs are a professional out fit looked after with all that money can buy and money can pay for. To look at there players they look the same as the aussie rules boys and the aussie are all paid professionals so as I and some of my county men have been saying for a while dublin are playing and living as prefessional sportsmen. There lays your answer to the dubs superperior fitness because it surly is. Not there abundance of skill over any other county. I'm sad to say one of the people responsible for this fiasco is our ex president our own Sean Kelly. Good luck to you my cavan gael friends. Keep the faith and keep playing Gaa for the right reasons the promotion of our country. Ciarrai abu"
Jack McCaffrey must have had extra hours in the day if he was living the life of a professional Sportsman over the last number of years! Easy number training and practicing medicine!

..and he was one of the best of them!

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1475 - 06/12/2020 10:26:29    2319040

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Replying To brisbane:  "The GAA were talking about splitting Dublin in two 20 years ago so maybe this is part of the overall plan. I think Melbourne has 8 AFL teams if they just had 1 you would get the same results Dublin are getting. If Dublin win the final by more then 11 westmeath will win the second best team in the land"
The reason Westmeath only lost by 11 points is because the game was in Portlaoise and it was so early in the championship

Jim_Shorts (Cavan) - Posts: 96 - 06/12/2020 10:43:14    2319045

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Modern game was invented by Jim Mc Guinness not the Dubs

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1236 - 06/12/2020 10:47:11    2319049

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Replying To Ban:  "Jack McCaffrey must have had extra hours in the day if he was living the life of a professional Sportsman over the last number of years! Easy number training and practicing medicine!

..and he was one of the best of them!"
One example , I live in dublin myself and regularly come across dublin footballers in their sponsored cars. Have a look at their website for all the sponsors and partners they have. Christ they have a prefer airline aerlingus a preferred airline when 90% of their travel all year is to their home pitch of croke Park.

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 260 - 06/12/2020 10:52:27    2319051

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Replying To tonguey:  "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??"
They've a larger pick of players all incredibly well coached from a young age.

Whereas Cavan probably have a handful of players with the skill levels that would be required to play Dublin or players who would be able to get to the fitness levels to play for Dublin they won't have many players to that are at both levels.

Every person has limits to their capacity not matter how much they work.

Dublin players are the cream of a very large crop and are just going to be on average better than those that emerge in other counties.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4586 - 06/12/2020 11:03:14    2319058

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Knee jerk reaction to Dublin beating a division 3 side. If Mayo get over Tipp I think it will be a closer game.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1677 - 06/12/2020 11:12:38    2319063

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Replying To ponga:  "Don't know about football being finished. Even though we couldn't attend, getting games up and running again saved this modt awful of years. Watched a great club championship and the knockout all Ireland has been mostly brilliant. Because one exceptional team is dominant at present doesn't mean the game is finished. Some folk need to grow up and stop bitching. My views will be the same even if Mayo lose to Tipp today or to Dublin if we reach the final."
Well said man !

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 941 - 06/12/2020 11:13:04    2319064

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Exactly. If Conor Nash (an athlete not too dissimilar to Fenton) is from Dublin, he doesn't go to Australia. Nor does Cian McBride. That's both of Meath's best midfielders gone forever until next generation."
But Ciaran Kilkenny did go to Australia

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4653 - 06/12/2020 11:17:39    2319065

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Replying To jobber:  "Whatever about the arguments, simply compare the entertainment of Dublin v Cavan to Limerick v Galway or Kilkenny v Waterford last week let's face it its a good job for football nobody is allowed in because only a few Dubs would go to watch this rubbish"
Agreed football looks very slow compared to hurling. Even when crowds were at the games it is alarming how poor the atmosphere and excitement is compare to the small ball. It is nearly too easy to keep possession and run, the game is becoming way too structured now.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 06/12/2020 11:22:13    2319069

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Replying To Ban:  "Jack McCaffrey must have had extra hours in the day if he was living the life of a professional Sportsman over the last number of years! Easy number training and practicing medicine!

..and he was one of the best of them!"
Did he not take a year or two off? A great footballer, no doubt!
It's win at all costs and some counties are better equipped financially to bear the costs. It's not the Dublin footballers or the Limerick hurlers who should be criticised but the unfair nature of funding, lack of level playing field. The GAA says it's an amateur organisation, we all know that's a joke. It's amateurish when it refuses to use VAR in cases of deliberate hits on players and other critical moments in games but as for money it's very shady!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 06/12/2020 11:25:01    2319070

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typical of us irish, dublin the best football team of all time, they have taken gaa to a level unheard of , but instead of teams saying "thats the standard we need to get to and we WILL" its how do we bring them back to our level so we can compeat, always remember been told as a child , if an irishmans neighbour has a really big house he will ask "where did u get the money for that,? he must be a crook, an american will say "if he can have a house like that SO can i"

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 3000 - 06/12/2020 11:33:17    2319072

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Replying To waynoI:  "I hope these threads continue from now til the end of time. If were provoking threads like this then were going alright. Much prefer these posts to the ones circa 2008/9 when we were slaughtered and ridiculed for our population and lack of success getting battered to pieces against the top teams. Life comes at you fast folks."
Me too. Kerry beat the Dubs by 17 points in 2009. 24 months later the Dubs having learned and reorganised, following many 5am training sessions, a working day then evening training, the Dubs pipped Kerry by a point to win Sam. This almost overnight transformation was down to money apparently.

Oh the virus outside is Frightful
But the Dubs are so Delightful
We're letting Sam Maguire Go
6 in a Row
6 in a Row
6 in a Row

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 06/12/2020 11:35:56    2319074

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Replying To Whammo86:  "They've a larger pick of players all incredibly well coached from a young age.

Whereas Cavan probably have a handful of players with the skill levels that would be required to play Dublin or players who would be able to get to the fitness levels to play for Dublin they won't have many players to that are at both levels.

Every person has limits to their capacity not matter how much they work.

Dublin players are the cream of a very large crop and are just going to be on average better than those that emerge in other counties."
Yet a third of the team that played last night, came from one club who are skint, with less then 300 members, in a disadvantaged area of the City and huge civic work done by historically done by former Dublin player Paddy Christie. You need to be very fair in the point sin you making and not presume, because its popular narrative its actually true.

Im sure there are bigger, more well resourced clubs in Cavan then Ballymun, playing in some lovely facilitates close to a glen or lake.

When you reality test these things they dont often meet the presumption.

Incidentally best of luck to Paddy Christie today who is involved with he Tipperary senior team in their Semi with Mayo - ill be rooting for Tipp today as will be wishing the best for Paddy he deserves a huge credit tin the Dublin GAA success story.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4518 - 06/12/2020 11:43:11    2319077

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "One example , I live in dublin myself and regularly come across dublin footballers in their sponsored cars. Have a look at their website for all the sponsors and partners they have. Christ they have a prefer airline aerlingus a preferred airline when 90% of their travel all year is to their home pitch of croke Park."
Not all Dublin players have sponsored cars and by the way a lot of players with the other 5 or 6 top level counties get sponsored cars if you follow any of these players on their social media accounts you would know who im referring to, and good luck to them all!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 941 - 06/12/2020 11:44:23    2319078

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I think Croke Park is a terrible venue for the modern game.

The pitch is too large.

Keep ball tactics are too easy.

The pitch should be a different size for football than hurling and provide more opportunity to engage the opposition.

The intensity is going to a certain extent because teams are so able to move the ball enough to find the free space wherever that may be.

A certain amount of it is the defending teams fault too by keeping it tight at the back they don't pressurise the ball high up the pitch. Dublin are responding to what is a negative tactic.

It does massively hurt the spectacle though.

Whilst Cavan are obviously there on merit, I do think they're not as good of a team as you'd usually expect at an All Ireland semifinal stage. This was a mismatch and when there's a mismatch now in football the games are dire to watch.

For the sake of having any entertainment factor in the final you'd have to be hoping that Mayo can win today.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4586 - 06/12/2020 11:52:19    2319082

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Skills on show this year has been ridiculous, notable mention to Cavan yesterday, some of their scores were some of the best ive seen of a team coming to Croke Park in a lot of years, Donegal great execution of balanced skills, Shane Walsh of Galway - best player in the country for me certainly the most skillful.

What Dublin are doing this year is total football, they have mastered every skill in the play book, using the entirety of the pitch and making the ball and movement do it its own work, there was a phase of play yesterday with three players heading in three different directions, Cavan defenders in knots and Howard laying it off to take three of them out of the game, Dublib are playing total football not seen before.

Im afreaid to see it but i think Dessie has evolved Dublin hes maintained the ruthlessness but has let them off the leash a little but since Jim, i could watch this Dublin team just all day they are incredible.

All that to be tempered though by the fact everyone is ignoring, Dublin have played no body yet and some how are in a final - Meath are the only Div 1 team they have faced and were resoundingly beaten by every one in Div 1 this year. Lets wait and see how good Dublin are under Dessie Farrell when the game will be in the melting pot in the next game."
You said yourself that Dublin will have met no one until the All-Ireland (if at all) - says it all really. Isn't that the problem? What proper competition has to wait for the final for a competitive game that will have an impact on the overall outcome?

And you say that Meath were resoundingly beaten by every one in Division 1 this year. Meath were well beaten by Donegal, lost to Tyrone by 2 points, lot to Mayo by 1, lost to Kerry by 3, Lost to Galway by 2, lost to Dublin by 4 and drew with Monaghan. A very disappointing showing but not resoundingly beaten by everyone as you stated.

stillaroyal (Meath) - Posts: 225 - 06/12/2020 11:53:54    2319084

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