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Replying To tonguey: "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??" I doubt its what your hinting at. It's the best of the best 25 of the top 30 players in the country pushing themselves to be on the team demolishing the rest of us. OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1800 - 05/12/2020 23:04:01 2318898 Link
Replying To tonguey: "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??" They can afford the pick the fastest most mobile and athletic people and with the way football is played now that's all you need. No matter how much training you do you will reach a genetic max the can afford to pick from a bigger pool with these attributes. ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 05/12/2020 23:17:35 2318911 Link
Replying To tonguey: "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??" Better footballers! DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 941 - 05/12/2020 23:20:58 2318912 Link
Replying To tonguey: "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??" They have better athletes and players plain and simple. Brian Fenton is the best midfielder ever to play the game Its nothing to do with the training work the teams are doing which is probably similar amongst all the top teams. They have better players because of a mix of greater playing numbers and better coaching / facilities and probably better retention of juvenile players into adulthood. TobinsBeard (Meath) - Posts: 132 - 05/12/2020 23:21:47 2318913 Link
Replying To tonguey: "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??" Its a secret, and only ourselves, Mayo and Kerry know what it is. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8790 - 05/12/2020 23:23:20 2318915 Link
Replying To tonguey: "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??" talent. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1995 - 05/12/2020 23:25:28 2318916 Link
Replying To Fairplayalways: "After trying to watch Dublin V Cavan, the word "turn over" word used yet and yet again, showing that Dublin may as well go and play rugby such is the fear of loosing posession, People will come on here and say they are great and professional and all that, and they are at the game they play, but they have football destroyed, I think even with a crowd in Croke Park this evening (where the game should not be played by the way as far as I am concerned) that game was as shocking to look at as any other Dublin game...rather than loose posession, they would kick the ball the whole way back down the field, again, fair dues its within the rules, but they are as boring as hell at this stage, the referee in the main "walking" around the field such was the time he had on his hands...I hope, for the sake of football, Mayo or Tipperary win, and if this crap Dublin are offering up continues and they continue to dominate as a result, the rules need looking at, as teams are genuinely going out to try and play against them (as Cavan did) but Dublin were more interested in just getting the ball, hang onto it for the 3/4 minutes it took to get into a shooting position (hoping to be fouled if possible)...if that is football, good luck, because I and I think may more are fed up with it..fair enough Dublin have it down to an "art" as people say, but the art is as boring, and over played now..thank God no other team has mastered it or we would be finished (Cork managed luckily to beat Kerry with it this year, and tried again unsucessfully against Tipp)....hopefully soon we might get two teams who will go out and decide to play football for the first time in years, because this is finishing football...Dublin winning 6 All Irelands possibly playing that type of "football"...let them off....hopefully football will be back in the years to come..." If opponents of Dublin want to setup a brick wall in front of them with all 15 players inside their own 45 then don't expect Dublin to kick long hopeful balls into gaping hands of grinning backs. As Ulsterman once said when attempting to defend Ulster teams' blanket defence tactics when they were deployed "if you want entertainment go to the circus". Fact is that Dublin can do it any way. Go man to man with them and you will get an explosive end to end game. Shut up shop and they will bide their time and pick you off. Hardly Dublin's fault. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 05/12/2020 23:25:45 2318917 Link
Replying To republicofcloone: "Pundits won't say or are afraid to say it. The ball was in midfield and it ended up back with Cluxton in the square. If that was soccer the team would be lambasted, but nary a word because it's Dublin. I think gaelic football is in serious bother at a number of levels, both skills wise and competitive wise. When we play the Australians in that compromise rules they give us an exhibition of kicking that the Irish lads cannot match which is fairly embarrassing. There's old clips of AI finals on youtube from the 1930s and what strikes you are the low skill levels and how much kicking the ball on the ground was done, it was of its time though, but we aren't far off that type of skill level again. I think it's good enough for the GAA though. They better hope that Dublin fans still attend games because no one from other counties will be going to watch." There was no worthwhile camerawork in the 1930s.And what's wrong with kicking the ball on the ground? In fact I would suggest that's the only way to beat the Dubs. worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 351 - 05/12/2020 23:26:47 2318919 Link
Replying To republicofcloone: "Pundits won't say or are afraid to say it. The ball was in midfield and it ended up back with Cluxton in the square. If that was soccer the team would be lambasted, but nary a word because it's Dublin. I think gaelic football is in serious bother at a number of levels, both skills wise and competitive wise. When we play the Australians in that compromise rules they give us an exhibition of kicking that the Irish lads cannot match which is fairly embarrassing. There's old clips of AI finals on youtube from the 1930s and what strikes you are the low skill levels and how much kicking the ball on the ground was done, it was of its time though, but we aren't far off that type of skill level again. I think it's good enough for the GAA though. They better hope that Dublin fans still attend games because no one from other counties will be going to watch." There was no worthwhile camerawork in the 1930s.And what's wrong with kicking the ball on the ground? In fact I would suggest that's the only way to beat the Dubs. worple (Roscommon) - Posts: 351 - 05/12/2020 23:26:47 2318920 Link
Replying To republicofcloone: "Pundits won't say or are afraid to say it. The ball was in midfield and it ended up back with Cluxton in the square. If that was soccer the team would be lambasted, but nary a word because it's Dublin. I think gaelic football is in serious bother at a number of levels, both skills wise and competitive wise. When we play the Australians in that compromise rules they give us an exhibition of kicking that the Irish lads cannot match which is fairly embarrassing. There's old clips of AI finals on youtube from the 1930s and what strikes you are the low skill levels and how much kicking the ball on the ground was done, it was of its time though, but we aren't far off that type of skill level again. I think it's good enough for the GAA though. They better hope that Dublin fans still attend games because no one from other counties will be going to watch." Disagree here. Dublin have taken the game to another level of skill and athleticism. That's the standard now. Skills wise, gaelic football is fine.. TobinsBeard (Meath) - Posts: 132 - 05/12/2020 23:26:55 2318921 Link
I thought Armagh destroyed football? Or Tyrone ? Or Donegal..now its Dublin...who's next ??? bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4652 - 05/12/2020 23:29:55 2318925 Link
Replying To wexico15: "Sean Kelly inadvertently signed it off in 2003" Yeah he was tweeting about how successful it was & now wants it changed again. A man who would jump on any bandwagon. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 05/12/2020 23:47:33 2318927 Link
The point Howard scored from the hop ball summed it up. His strength to push aside the Ulster Champions defenders is not something that would have happened 10- 20 years ago. Evora (Meath) - Posts: 4 - 05/12/2020 23:53:06 2318930 Link
The other problem is that the game is very clean nowadays. In the past, faced with a fast, tricky opponent, you could always soften him up, take some of the fizz out of him. But sure there's no real tackling now. All you can mostly do is flap at the ball. This means that very athletic players can prevail. essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 05/12/2020 23:53:11 2318931 Link
I've never had a problem with football styles so long as they're played within the rules of the game,, but the keep ball, possession based game is very boring I have to admit. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 06/12/2020 00:09:45 2318938 Link
Replying To tonguey: "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??" That's the problem now more time is spent in the gym. Maybe if more time was spent on the basics-running , tackling shooting, accurate passing and playing games with the gym locked up we would have a more entertaining game to watch and play. Why is conditioning so important -the ball is full of air and we do not have any scrums. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 06/12/2020 00:11:54 2318939 Link
Replying To tonguey: "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??" There's in the gym and in the gym tonguey. They are sponsored by AIG, anytime New Zealand were over playing Ireland in rugby you had kick arounds with the teams etc. I'd imagine they exchange latest training methods and so on. Specific fitness looked at, that you are strong, but not overly bulked, for mobility and strength throughout the game. They are ahead of the other counties by a few years. And with that accumulation of training look light years ahead. The southern hemisphere were ahead of the north for years too around the late amateur stages pre 1995. Professionalism evened things up a little. Cavan are at 2012/13 Dublin fitness levels. They need time, and money! Also tactically. When you can retain the ball for so long you'll open up 90% shooting shots along the D. They work simple scores. No long range Brian Dooher/Sean Cavanagh type ones. Everything is calculated to give better odds. Cavan, Westmeath, Meath aren't able to retain possession for that length. Dublin can up the tempo and turn you over. Cavan have a fine team. I banged on the last few days as in Leinster we've seen what the Dubs do these past 7 years or so. Keep the heads up. Deserved Ulster champs. Punching well above weight. CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 173 - 06/12/2020 00:15:30 2318943 Link
But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient?? tonguey (Cavan) - Posts: 45 - 05/12/2020 22:16:20 They dont have to travel anywhere near as much for training etc. Rest and recovery is easier for them. They also keep how they play very simple. what are you trying to imply. They also have had some of the best young players in country come into an already strong senior set up KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3781 - 06/12/2020 00:19:39 2318945 Link
After trying to watch Dublin V Cavan, the word "turn over" word used yet and yet again, showing that Dublin may as well go and play rugby such is the fear of loosing posession, People will come on here and say they are great and professional and all that, and they are at the game they play, but they have football destroyed, I think even with a crowd in Croke Park this evening (where the game should not be played by the way as far as I am concerned) that game was as shocking to look at as any other Dublin game...rather than loose posession, they would kick the ball the whole way back down the field, again, fair dues its within the rules, but they are as boring as hell at this stage, the referee in the main "walking" around the field such was the time he had on his hands...I hope, for the sake of football, Mayo or Tipperary win, and if this crap Dublin are offering up continues and they continue to dominate as a result, the rules need looking at, as teams are genuinely going out to try and play against them (as Cavan did) but Dublin were more interested in just getting the ball, hang onto it for the 3/4 minutes it took to get into a shooting position (hoping to be fouled if possible)...if that is football, good luck, because I and I think may more are fed up with it..fair enough Dublin have it down to an "art" as people say, but the art is as boring, and over played now..thank God no other team has mastered it or we would be finished (Cork managed luckily to beat Kerry with it this year, and tried again unsucessfully against Tipp)....hopefully soon we might get two teams who will go out and decide to play football for the first time in years, because this is finishing football...Dublin winning 6 All Irelands possibly playing that type of "football"...let them off....hopefully football will be back in the years to come... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 396 - 05/12/2020 21:33:42 Possession is essential to winning. duh.... they dont have gaelic destroyed. Losing. what exactly would you change in the rules to stop dublin and is that not very petty? KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3781 - 06/12/2020 00:21:40 2318946 Link
Replying To tonguey: "But why is their conditioning superior?? What are they doing that other counties aren't? There should not be such a chasm. I know county teams are in the gym now so they're obviously putting in as much effort if not more. So why are the results so different? What is the missing ingredient??" Part of it might be due to the much larger pick, they're going to have more elite athletes, simply due to numbers. There are levels to everything, so in terms of the best athletes, if you have 500 at that level vs 100 in another county, you're likely to get more good footballers in the 500 to go with the athleticism. I disagree with the separate comments made above about poor skill levels though. Any look at games now versus 10 years, 20 years, 30 years ago or before, shows skill levels way beyond what they were. The number of players who can kick scores off their weaker foot now for example, is miles ahead of what it was. That's a different argument to the style of play though. I agree that the maintain possession at all costs style can be mindnumbing at times. It is up to the opposing team to pressure further up the pitch to stop this however. Cavan obviously couldn't do that in numbers today, as it could have left them very open early on. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2405 - 06/12/2020 00:23:18 2318947 Link