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Dublin V Roscommon - 3 Like(s)
Down the decades - and I've been going to county league matches since the 1970s - I've always liked Roscommon footballers. You never got anything easy against a Roscommon team.
The amount of football purist flak that Roscommon is getting about a bit of tiki-taka is the usual hypocritical drivel that my own country has been subjected to.
As ever, when a non-traditional county does something that an established county has been doing forever, it's only the non-traditional county who will get the criticism.
I thought it was great crack to see Dublin chasing the game (something they themselves are so good at doing to other teams). And in fairness to Dublin, I didn't hear them complaining about it - Philly McMahon's comments (Barcelona does it) were very fair, and sensible. It's the sign of a great player that he can dish it out and take it too. Fair play to McMahon.
2 points:
1. Possession football is routinely practised by lots of GAA teams, and by lots of world class soccer teams. Just as every boxer who's well ahead on points jabs, slips and holds in the last round instead of being sucked into a stupid puncher's chance brawl when he does not need to. I can imagine our GAA traditionalists commentating on a boxing match and urging a man well ahead on points to start swinging the lead with no regard for the result, just to keep the half-cut "yahoo ye boy ye" brigade happy. Possession football is a legitimate tactic, and the onus is on the other team to disrupt it, not to go crying to the papers about bad, bad Roscommon not giving them the ball.
2. It's not that long ago that we were also subjected to whinging old-timers crying on about blanket defences / packed defences etc. Amazing how there is no criticism of blanket defences when the GAA morality brigade are on their latest bandwagon about possession football. How do you think a team is ever able to play keep ball for so long? It's because the other team - despite usually being behind - is not pressing, and is still stuck in blanket defence mode! There is a way to disrupt keep ball, and it involves committing everyone to attack and high energy. It's high risk of course, as you could be hit on the counter. ***But a team with a lead plays keep ball primarily because the opposition allows them to do so.*** If the chasing team, despite being behind, has no guts and wishes to stay in their shell, they're the ones who deserve criticism, certainly not the team protecting a lead.
points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (National) - 05/06/2023 11:35:24
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Roscommon GAA thread - 3 Like(s)
Tullamore Saturday June 17th at 7pm is word going around for the Roscommon v Kildare round 3 game, Nothing confirmed until tomorrow
The_analyser (National) - 05/06/2023 13:26:42
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Attendances 2023 - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Claretandblue: "Alarm bells ringing? Why? Attendances have been phenomenal nationally, this weekend there were attendances of 10/15,000 at venues like Roscommon, Cork, Mullingar, Castlebar, Clones, not to mention 30,000 at underage hurling finals in Thurles. Kildare followers clearly don't rate chances of beating Dubs" The attendance at many of the football matchs ranged from average to very very poor in the case of Dublin v kildare .
It's practically all down to the deteriorating entertainment of games . As said earlier when you have did hard Gaelic football people like Peter Canavan & Tomas O Se bemoaning the poor fare on offer there's a serious problem . Joe Brolly & Pat Spillane on about it long before these men .
It wasn't the warm day or bank holiday weekend as a huge crowd went to the underage hurling in thurles . Speaking to a Dublin long standing season ticket holder during the week who was going to miss his first football match years, he said the Roscommon Dublin game was the watershed moment in unwatchable Gaelic football for him , many others stopped going over the past few years .
In a sizeable well known bar briefly in the afternoon yesterday in Limerick, three tvs on Hurling -Formula 1 - racing on the three tvs , the owner said nobody asks to watch Gaelic football anymore .
Lots of people out there with their heads in the sand about 30 men crammed in one half of the field and how un entertaining it is to watch unless one of the 30 is a family member .
OpenStand (National) - 05/06/2023 08:49:52
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Galway Hurling thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "No we didn't. That Galway minor team is a really good team. They didnt play well today and got beaten but these things happen especially at minor level." I was a few of the minor matches this year and in Thurles yesterday. Yes, Galway are good hurlers but they need space. Clare were more aggressive in the tackle and the rucks, Clare attcked every ball. Galway couldn't match them physically. A big shout to the Clare no 6. He was impressive.
Armchairreporter (National) - 05/06/2023 10:21:26
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All-Ireland Senior Football Championship 2023 - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Joxer: "For the same reason that Dublin didn't get a penalty nor opponent a black card despite it being a duplicate of the Cork incident. It's down to the referees's "interpretation". Once again a nonsense interpretative rule. He was either inside the 20 or he wasn't and he was either last man or not. There are 3 officials within yards of it. Once a rule comes down to interpretation then you know you have a problem." Could somebody here post the GAA Rule for this penalty decision and when was it introduced?
I've tried to find this in the online rules but failed.
Looks like most GAA pundits weren't aware of it and neither was ref Hurson in the Dubs match or Mooney
in the game up north.
JackMurphy (National) - 05/06/2023 13:31:13
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U20 All Ireland Final - 2 Like(s)
Replying To sam1884: "Different context and game but Offaly's style of just wanting to play hurling reminded me of the Senior football semi final of 1996. Tyrone learnt a lot from that day and I don't think that experience happened to a Tyrone team again in the years after or even up to this day.
Offaly's style was a joy to watch yesterday and I can understand their managers post game interview, I think they'll learn a lot from that experience as they keep developing, but it's unfortunate you have to learn from these experiences in sport.
When Cork played hurling especially in the second half they were an outstanding team and deserved their All Ireland." Shane Dowling summed it up when he said that the Cork u20s were closer to a senior team and the Offaly u20s team were closer to a minor team. 27 of the Offaly players are under age again next year and they will come again. That being said the foul by Kingston on Egan was a straight red card. It was a shocking tackle. I can't believe it wasn't even mentioned in the post match analysis on The Sunday Game.
Greengrass (National) - 05/06/2023 15:57:32
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "This is probably an example of the attitude the crept into the squad and resulted in todays performance by Galway." I think you are giving me far too much credit here
Stool Pigeon (National) - 05/06/2023 05:49:44
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All-Ireland Senior Football Championship 2023 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Joxer: "For the same reason that Dublin didn't get a penalty nor opponent a black card despite it being a duplicate of the Cork incident. It's down to the referees's "interpretation". Once again a nonsense interpretative rule. He was either inside the 20 or he wasn't and he was either last man or not. There are 3 officials within yards of it. Once a rule comes down to interpretation then you know you have a problem." Problem is compounded by the fact that the GAA sees fit to change rules every few years, and the referees basically "wing it" as they adjudicate.
Ryanteam (National) - 05/06/2023 06:34:49
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Clare Hurlng Thread - 1 Like(s)
Set up as we have no desiccated Clare thread.
What an outstanding achievement to win the Minor Munster and All Ireland. Congratulations to Brian O Connell and team.
A special mention to Donal Maloney who has been involved now with several All Ireland winning underage teams. T'would have been easy for him to sail off into the sunset after he was overlooked for the senior job by himself but in fairness to the man, he is Clare through and through and knew he had something to offer the youth. We are seeing the benefits of that now. Just our second All Ireland minor shows the significance of yesterdays result against a hotly fancied Galway team. Clare beat Tipperary, Cork (twice), Limerick, Waterford, Kilkenny and Galway on the way to the title. That is some achievement.
Lads like Gunning, Hegarty, Collins look destined for senior hurling but the pathway to senior is a minefield and these young lads need to keep at it. I'm sure the likes of Maloney will keep them focussed on the task at hand.
LohansRedHelmet (National) - 05/06/2023 07:52:02
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To LohansRedHelmet: "Yes I felt today we wanted it more and that's the reason we won. Galway were a bit rudderless in the first half. It looked like they they didn't think Clare would be as good as they are.
I am very proud of our lads. First minor in 26 years. 2 years after losing to Cork by 40 points in Munster when our hurling future looked bleak. Goes to show, if you get the right lads in charge you can turn things around quite quickly. Looking forward to hearing from Skehill tomorrow." I think Cathal Moore hit the nail on the head before the sliotar was thrown in - he was asked about Aaron Niland who attends the school where he teaches and he said that there was too much pressure put on the shoulders of young fellas, that it wasn't right. He felt the tag of favourites was an added pressure and that it was unfair on 16 year olds.
I don't think it had anything to do with that old cliché, wanting it more or taking Clare for granted. You mention Skehill and I'm not sure what you're insinuating but you seem to suggest that he said something negative about Clare. This is what he said about Clare:
"The quality of the opposition we're going to face, it will be the best we have faced so far," said Skehill. "I think we've got progressively better as the Leinster championship and the All-Ireland series has gone on but Clare is definitely going to be our biggest test. We're drumming it into the lads that this is going to be a ferocious battle and that if we're not ready, we'll go home with nothing."
baire (National) - 05/06/2023 08:20:32
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Leitrim GAA thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Backheel: "That's great news will we leave you to "the easy fix " of a poor quality in our club game?
Give me the first three things that you would do, that would sort out the standard of club football in the Leitrim. Looking forward to the answers.Fair play to you a great future awaits." Another easy fix for you Backheel that the county board could subsidise clubs for players to get individual strength and conditioning programmes, there are plenty of young people getting qualifications in S & C and they would be glad of the experience. You have Cathal Cregg in Connacht that would pass on his expertise. This would not break the bank.
Underage coaches brought into to more coaching seminars. These are very popular all over the country. Davy Burke done one in Drumlish, Mick Bohan, Stephen Poacher, Colm Nally these guys do this all the time. I haven't seen this done in leitrim in the last few years.
Andy is free for the summer now he could run a few coaching clinics for underage coaches in the county.
Players in the clubs in county need benchmarks the need to know what the standards is for your runs at different distances, the benchmark for your bench press etc, this is information that can be easily obtained and worked towards.
3rdmidfielder (National) - 05/06/2023 08:21:37
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Attendances 2023 - 1 Like(s)
Some of the low attendance figures need to factor in the variables.
1. Everyone is out again next week when a win will actually have some relevance.
2. It's a bank holiday weekend with the sun splitting the stones
3. There is nowhere affordable to stay if you wanted to make a weekend of it
4. Paying €660 (€60 tickets for family, €400 accommodation, €50 diesel, €150 in food) Rocking up to a 15 men behind the ball snore fest in the blistering heat at a bad time on the bank holiday weekend in some inland town isn't enticing for most people.
If the matches were on Friday evening and Monday you'd get better attendences.
tirawleybaron (National) - 05/06/2023 09:02:24
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Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2023 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Observer23: "Wexford need to treat this season a bit like how things ended up for Clare after the '93 Munster hurling final v Tipperary. At least some key players stood up in the final game v Kilkenny. It is something to build on. It would be great for hurling if Wexford could come back into contention like they did in the mid-90's…" I don't think we're that far off.
2 leinster finals6in the last 6 years.
1 win an unlucky in all Ireland semi final.
A couple of league semi finals.
Were generally an all Ireland quarter final team in that period.
Bar this year being a total disaster.
Some of that is down to injuries, luck and a bit of a lack of guts.
We do need to learn the lessons from this year though.
We've found a few new players, and need to find a few more.
Every game is important next year.
That Kilkenny win will have done something for the overall mindset but we can't forget Dublin and Westmeath in particular. We should be preparing for a leinster final now so must ask ourselves why we've left so much behind us in games we dominated the majority of.
For me it's just an attitude problem. The approach was all wrong.
Another poster used the phrase "didn't lay a glove on Galway"
We were well in that game. There was a 10 minute period early in the second half where we allowed Galway 9 scores on the trot which was the winning margin.
An easy fix with some minor tweaks.
Looking forward to the club now. Hopefully the fringe players will take another step up.
Doylerwex (National) - 05/06/2023 09:11:04
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Attendances 2023 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Claretandblue: "Alarm bells ringing? Why? Attendances have been phenomenal nationally, this weekend there were attendances of 10/15,000 at venues like Roscommon, Cork, Mullingar, Castlebar, Clones, not to mention 30,000 at underage hurling finals in Thurles. Kildare followers clearly don't rate chances of beating Dubs" 5,700 in Roscommon.
eoinog (National) - 05/06/2023 10:20:20
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To foreveryoung: "You were right. A five point margin is only pretty close.
Overall, I feel that the minor grade is no longer any way of a good indicator of what lads might rise to after, particularly since CP reduced the age to 17. Galway has won tons of them, yet what have those minors gone on to do at senior level? Perhaps, and words like mine would be of poor consolation this evening to a 16-17 kid who just lost an AI final, this defeat will make better men of these young Galway lads, going forward. At times, we learn more from defeat than victory. Did the great Gerry Mac of the 1987/88 double for example, ever even play underage?
This Galway team was too highly vaunted. It reminded me of the Cork senior team of 1982 and 'Baby Jesus-Tony O'Sullivan'. They'd swept through Munster and all they had to do was pick up the cup when they got to CP for the final. Kilkenny hadn't read that same script however, in particular Frank Cummins hadn't. But Baby Tony did go onto win 3 AI medals afterwards (1984/86/1990).
I know that the game and times are different, but if any of those Galway minors who fell down today, pick themselves back up like O'Sullivan and go onto win 3 AI senior medals, then I think the whole county of Galway would be proud: even the Pope, the Katser, and the Baire!" Don't often find myself agreeing with you but very well said!
PoolSturgeon (National) - 05/06/2023 11:27:56
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Gaillimh_Abu: "I agree with the sentiment of your post. However, Gerry Mac was in fact a star at underage. He was on the 1983 minor team that won Galway's first ever all-Ireland in the grade and I think he won man-of-the-match in the final. That team also included Joe Cooney, Anthony Cunningham, Pat Malone and John Commins and much the same team won the under-21 title in 1986. So at least that particular group of players definitely delivered on their potential." Aaron Niland is definitely a name to watch for in future.Class player
Ryanteam (National) - 05/06/2023 11:35:27
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Dublin V Roscommon - 1 Like(s)
The three pillars of our society used to be FiannaFail,GAA and Catholic Church.
For decades our society has set about dismantling all three.
And replaced it with what?
worple (National) - 05/06/2023 12:43:59
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Wexford Intercounty Hurling 2023 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "I wouldn't if wasn't stuck in the top 5 topics recently commented on. I viewed it to see what they could still be talking about. Their season ended a week ago." The Wexford forum is for Wexford posters to air their views. We don't mind outsiders coming on and expressing their views but please try to refrain from telling us to stop referring to issues that you consider to be done and dusted. If you are not happy with our writings then perhaps you would start a Kilkenny forum.
Anyway I am just going to make a final comment and it's about 2024. That should please you Cockley. For next year I think our biggest concern is our back 6. I know the 2 Recks will be free from injury then. ( hopefully ) but I think we need to get our corner backs and the numbers 5 and 7 sorted.
We were cut open far too much during the league and championship. We simply can't be leaking goals at the rate we did this season. Get our defence in order and things will be a lot brighter in 2024.
Magpie2 (National) - 05/06/2023 12:48:53
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Attendances 2023 - 1 Like(s)
Replying To realdub: "The attendance in Kilkenny should concern the GAA. There would normally be a very sizeable contingent of both Dublin and Kikdare supporters that would normally LOVE this type of occasion.
Obviously many were not that interested." Yes but there wasnt a bed to be got in Kilkenny city or for miles around with the Cat Laughs festival on and fewer tourist accommodation options available due to other well known factors. Most of ye Dubs, when ye do get an away match, like to make a weekend of it but that option was not available to ye this weekend without accommodation being booked months in advance.
PoolSturgeon (National) - 05/06/2023 13:24:15
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Sligo GAA thread - 1 Like(s)
I agree, I dont want to go naming names but yesterday showed up our quality for where we are at. Hopefully we can keep the scoreline down against Dublin and exit the championship with dignity. We showed some really good signs yesterday but when the Rossies wanted they just upped the gears and drove through us. Its a good learning curve but the sooner we can introduce some of the under 20s the better. The Rossies are a good side to be fair but I think if we keep developing we can be at their level in 2/3 years. Its not a monster gap and giving div 3 a good shot will also bring us on. One other thing, is it just me or do the media tend to be very negative on Sligo? Like give us some credit, we had a right cut at the game yesterday. We could've been ultra defensive like Louth but we didnt, we went toe to toe. 10pts was not a true reflection but I'd rather lose by 10 with our boots on as oppose to lose by 1 in a terrible spectacle
republican (National) - 05/06/2023 14:59:23
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