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Replying To FoolsGold:  "They are more or less. The Coles, Stephen Monaghan and James McEnroe from Maghera."
They're also one parish. Beside them Castlerahan and Munterconnaught one parish. But it'll never happen.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 24/04/2017 21:32:33    1982365

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Also look at Maghera's score difference. Minus 76 after three games.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 24/04/2017 21:37:07    1982368

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Replying To doratheexplorer:  "People did knock it but players liked it. Gave them regular football uninterrupted."
The Spring League/Breffni League was a farce, not sure where you got your information from, but I was involved at management level for the past few years, and I can tell you, players did not like it nor take it seriously...why, because, the County Board didn't treat it seriously either.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 489 - 25/04/2017 09:22:53    1982428

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I think the county board should be giving more help and resources to these struggling clubs putting underage coaches in place getting structures right from the ground up. I for one wouldn't like to see these clubs disband it would be a total shame .

bart_simpson (Cavan) - Posts: 45 - 25/04/2017 11:00:08    1982470

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "The Spring League/Breffni League was a farce, not sure where you got your information from, but I was involved at management level for the past few years, and I can tell you, players did not like it nor take it seriously...why, because, the County Board didn't treat it seriously either."
In what way did the County Board not take it seriously?

Skelling (USA) - Posts: 289 - 25/04/2017 11:03:09    1982471

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Replying To JonSmith:  "What two struggling neighbouring clubs in Cavan should amalgamate?"
sorry, I didn't mean that the 2 struggling clubs should amalgamate but that the struggling clubs should amalgamate with a neighbouring club. Maghera and Ramor should just be Lurgan. Also maybe Corlough could amalgamate with a neighbouring club.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5496 - 25/04/2017 12:53:41    1982510

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Why would Ramor give up their identity to accommodate a tiny number of Maghera players?

Why would Swad or Templeport who have no bother fielding A and B teams do likewise for Corlough?

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1451 - 25/04/2017 13:28:58    1982522

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Replying To JonSmith:  "Why would Ramor give up their identity to accommodate a tiny number of Maghera players?

Why would Swad or Templeport who have no bother fielding A and B teams do likewise for Corlough?"
Maybe Ramor should just give Maghera back the players that should be playing with them

gowna02 (Cavan) - Posts: 99 - 25/04/2017 15:32:18    1982565

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Replying To JonSmith:  "Why would Ramor give up their identity to accommodate a tiny number of Maghera players?

Why would Swad or Templeport who have no bother fielding A and B teams do likewise for Corlough?"
It's about the bigger picture and improving standards.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 25/04/2017 15:48:05    1982570

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Replying To cavanblueman:  "The Spring League/Breffni League was a farce, not sure where you got your information from, but I was involved at management level for the past few years, and I can tell you, players did not like it nor take it seriously...why, because, the County Board didn't treat it seriously either."
Our club players were annoyed waiting so long for football.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 25/04/2017 15:48:58    1982571

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Templeport lasted 1 year in Intermediate and were relagated in the league. Swanlinbar struggle when missing 1 or 2 players, as was evident by the hammering against Crosserlough in the League recently.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2580 - 25/04/2017 20:03:45    1982653

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Its only a matter of time before we see amalgamations however they might not be the clubs you think off . The conversation on here always mentions Ramor & Maghera and Castlerahan & Munterconnaught when this topic rears its head.. Ramor had 38 players togged out for the senior final last year & Castlerahan weren't too far behind numbers wise. So its pretty obvious these two teams don't need to join with anyone. For me its other clubs that could be in trouble in the near future. There's a growing trend off U12 teams amalgamating across the county. In the Orange group there are two amalgamated teams Naomh Brid (Redhills & Drumalee) & St Finbars (Kill & Drung) . In the brown group there is Dernacrieve Gaels (Shannon Gaels, Swanlinbar & Corlough). So in an 11 aside team competition that allows girls too play also that's 7 clubs who could not get enough kids to play.. with player drop off mainly happening as kids get older it'll be a simple numbers game to see which club has to amalgamate first. GAA is in trouble and the County board aren't helping as fewer clubs is prob what they want to see. It will be interesting too see what happens

StayDownKing (Cavan) - Posts: 24 - 25/04/2017 23:26:25    1982721

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Replying To StayDownKing:  "Its only a matter of time before we see amalgamations however they might not be the clubs you think off . The conversation on here always mentions Ramor & Maghera and Castlerahan & Munterconnaught when this topic rears its head.. Ramor had 38 players togged out for the senior final last year & Castlerahan weren't too far behind numbers wise. So its pretty obvious these two teams don't need to join with anyone. For me its other clubs that could be in trouble in the near future. There's a growing trend off U12 teams amalgamating across the county. In the Orange group there are two amalgamated teams Naomh Brid (Redhills & Drumalee) & St Finbars (Kill & Drung) . In the brown group there is Dernacrieve Gaels (Shannon Gaels, Swanlinbar & Corlough). So in an 11 aside team competition that allows girls too play also that's 7 clubs who could not get enough kids to play.. with player drop off mainly happening as kids get older it'll be a simple numbers game to see which club has to amalgamate first. GAA is in trouble and the County board aren't helping as fewer clubs is prob what they want to see. It will be interesting too see what happens"
there has always been amalgamations at under age right up to under 21 so nothing new there. we are not talking about amalgamations for competitions we are talking about disbanding one club completely and them joining another or disbanding 2 clubs completely and creating a brand new club. Yes I agree Ramor and castlerahan don't need any more senior players but maghera certainly do. You can't force former maghera or maghera born players to play with Maghera so what does the future hold for them. Look at their results over the last number of years , You can count the number of victories that they have had on one hand. They regularly get trounced. They have a great tradition and are one of the oldest clubs in the county so it's sad to see it but something has to change.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5496 - 26/04/2017 12:44:51    1982845

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Replying To s goldrick:  "there has always been amalgamations at under age right up to under 21 so nothing new there. we are not talking about amalgamations for competitions we are talking about disbanding one club completely and them joining another or disbanding 2 clubs completely and creating a brand new club. Yes I agree Ramor and castlerahan don't need any more senior players but maghera certainly do. You can't force former maghera or maghera born players to play with Maghera so what does the future hold for them. Look at their results over the last number of years , You can count the number of victories that they have had on one hand. They regularly get trounced. They have a great tradition and are one of the oldest clubs in the county so it's sad to see it but something has to change."
As I understand
Ramor was created when Lurgan Virginia Blues and Maghera amalgamated

RAYMOR (Cavan) - Posts: 2 - 26/04/2017 13:22:49    1982863

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Templeport lasted 1 year in Intermediate and were relagated in the league. Swanlinbar struggle when missing 1 or 2 players, as was evident by the hammering against Crosserlough in the League recently."
What's your point? They're fielding a senior and junior side. Have good numbers underage and field a team at every age group. Should they amalgamate so they'd have stayed up in intermediate? What happens if they amalgamate with Corlough and still don't get to or stay in intermediate, add another club?

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1451 - 26/04/2017 13:47:27    1982873

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Replying To RAYMOR:  "As I understand
Ramor was created when Lurgan Virginia Blues and Maghera amalgamated"
Ok. so how come Maghera Mac Finns are still in existence then. ?

Why did they still keep going after the amalgamation. was there a period after the formation of ramor utd that Maghera didn't exist.
Did they then start up again or what happened ? It seems strange that they were allowed to form again after they amalgamated to form a new club.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5496 - 26/04/2017 14:40:44    1982902

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You're very defensive about it. Either club could amalgamate with Corlough. It doesn't mean they would be winning intermediate or staying up. But at least Corlough players would be playing on a stronger team and be more competitive, then what they are used too.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2580 - 26/04/2017 14:56:15    1982909

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Replying To s goldrick:  "Ok. so how come Maghera Mac Finns are still in existence then. ?

Why did they still keep going after the amalgamation. was there a period after the formation of ramor utd that Maghera didn't exist.
Did they then start up again or what happened ? It seems strange that they were allowed to form again after they amalgamated to form a new club."
Replying To RAYMOR: "As I understand
Ramor was created when Lurgan Virginia Blues and Maghera amalgamated"

Was this for Minors only ??? not sure it went any further than this.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 26/04/2017 16:51:30    1982945

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Replying To seanorinn:  "Replying To RAYMOR: "As I understand
Ramor was created when Lurgan Virginia Blues and Maghera amalgamated"

Was this for Minors only ??? not sure it went any further than this."
No. It wasn't just minor. That's how Ramor came in to being. Virginia blues are obviously no longer and Lurgan only exist at under-age level ( although I'm not sure what the current situation is. Who is actually allowed to represent "Lurgan" at underage level, Is it a parish-wide team and why are they called Lurgan and not Ramor. Maybe someone from Virginia could enlighten us.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5496 - 26/04/2017 18:33:12    1982977

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "You're very defensive about it. Either club could amalgamate with Corlough. It doesn't mean they would be winning intermediate or staying up. But at least Corlough players would be playing on a stronger team and be more competitive, then what they are used too."
Nothing defensive about asking you what you mean. I asked why Templeport or Swad would want to amalgamate and you said Templeport got relegated and Crosserlough beat Swad. I fail to see the relevance?

Corlough struggle for numbers but are a great club with a great sense of community. It's incredibly lazy analysis to say - they don't win many games they should amalgamate.

Even if they did, it's 15 less players getting a first team game. Don't see who that benefits.

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1451 - 26/04/2017 19:16:39    1982985

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