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Replying To MadgeKing: "Good man Shaggy, back from killarney with a renewed sense if self worth I see.
The main relegation contenders remain Roscommon Cavan and Monaghan though, maybe with Donegal dragged in. Ros are sinking fast and look to have last place to themselves. So assuming Monaghan beat Roscommon (big assumption given your capacity to fold when favourites) that leaves us needing 6 points." So if Ros finish bottom, and we do beat Donegal and roscommon, where do you see Donegal getting to 7 points leaving us needing another win?
I think we can beat both, finish level with Donegal and win on the head to head. Big ask and a lot of ifs and buts obviously, but if they are to win another game then they'll push another team into the relegation battle.
Monaghan would need to lose all remaining games, including roscommon, to go down. Possible but unlikely.
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We need 2 points against Donegal badly. Stop Murphy and shackle the 2 McHughs and its job done. R McHugh does an awful lot of damage. Stephen Murray could be the man for him.
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 28/02/2017 10:56:33
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Replying To MadgeKing: "Good man Shaggy, back from killarney with a renewed sense if self worth I see.
The main relegation contenders remain Roscommon Cavan and Monaghan though, maybe with Donegal dragged in. Ros are sinking fast and look to have last place to themselves. So assuming Monaghan beat Roscommon (big assumption given your capacity to fold when favourites) that leaves us needing 6 points." Monaghan are relegation contenders when they have gotten points from all 3 matches, including two wins against two of the top teams in the country! Wake up and smell the roses, ye were lucky Monaghan had an off day in Blayney.
eirekeeper (Monaghan) - Posts: 146 - 28/02/2017 11:01:58
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Replying To MadgeKing: "Cavan needing 6 more points. So yeah Donegal is the big one but we have enough to beat them despite their draw against Donegal. It is shaping up to be the ugliest match of the year but we won't worry about that." Sean - if thats the case, what time was the Cavan Co Final called off last year...it certainly wasn't 10:30 or 11:00 am.
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I will reply to your question and the conditions were completely different than Omagh. I knew that the Omagh fixture was unplayable before 10-30 Sunday morning ?? but reference our situation both the left and right of the town end had water plus the middles of the park but from 0800hrs onwards the rain had stopped and the surface water had all but gone and was being monitored. The clubs were being updated as to what was happening. Then if one can recall we had a serious downpour and I mean serious that kept coming which made it impossible to play two matches. To be honest We might have got away with the senior match but hard to call because the rain just kept coming. The minor match was played on the 3G and I did not hear one discontented voice about this decision from The majority of people that had turned up were happy with the decision to have it called off. Big difference also regarding the journey the supporters had to travel. Unfortunately a few people traveled from abroad and they understood as well. I am unable to post the image of the town end to show you why it was called off but take my word for it when I say it was the right call and this is coming from the person who has to have this pitch ready for these matches and it meant more work but I was happy in the knowledge all efforts were made to have it played but common sense prevailed. We had several pitch inspections that day?? Is Mise Sean O'Rinn
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 28/02/2017 11:06:39
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Division 1
Pos.Team.................P......W......D......L......+/-......Pts.
1......Monaghan...... 3...... 2...... 1...... 0...... 3...... 5
2......Mayo............... 3...... 2...... 0 ......1...... 8...... 4
3......Dublin............. 3...... 1...... 2...... 0...... 7...... 4
4.....Tyrone............. 2...... 1....... 1..... 0 ......6....... 3
5.....Donegal........... 3 ......1....... 1......1..... -2...... 3
6.....Kerry................ 3...... 1....... 0..... 2...... 0....... 2
7.....Cavan............... 2...... 0 .......1......1..... -7...... 1
8....Roscommon.... 3...... 0........ 0..... 3.... -15..... 0
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 28/02/2017 11:21:41
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even premier league matches get called off late. I recall an Arsenal match being called off and all the away supporters either on their way or actually at the ground. In these situations people do their best. remember the GAA is an amateur organisation primarly run by volunteers. people have been having a go at the referee for not being there earlier but he has a life too , perhaps he had something arranged for Sunday morning and couldn't get there, he was there and did the inspection and called it off. Remember the Ireland v France Rugby six nations match a few years ago that was called off with about 15 minutes to go to kick off. We are not talking about a 50-100 mile journey here, we are talking plane journeys, hotels , taxis, time off work etc etc, so it happens when weather is involved. It's unfortunate but we all live to tell the tale.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 28/02/2017 11:29:52
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match called off 10 mins before kick-off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grYm9TeiFMs
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 28/02/2017 11:36:46
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There's needs to be a cut off point say 12 o clock. If it's not playable by 12 we'll it won't be playable by 2 especially in winter.
And you don't need to be a groundsman to work that out!
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 28/02/2017 12:20:39
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Replying To Awwwwnow: "There's needs to be a cut off point say 12 o clock. If it's not playable by 12 we'll it won't be playable by 2 especially in winter.
And you don't need to be a groundsman to work that out!" And you don't need to be a groundsman to work that out!
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:891 - 28/02/2017 12:20:39 1962008
Off course you don't have to be a groundsman and it never is the groundsman call at the end of the day well not inCavan anyway
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 28/02/2017 12:48:42
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Replying To s goldrick: "even premier league matches get called off late. I recall an Arsenal match being called off and all the away supporters either on their way or actually at the ground. In these situations people do their best. remember the GAA is an amateur organisation primarly run by volunteers. people have been having a go at the referee for not being there earlier but he has a life too , perhaps he had something arranged for Sunday morning and couldn't get there, he was there and did the inspection and called it off. Remember the Ireland v France Rugby six nations match a few years ago that was called off with about 15 minutes to go to kick off. We are not talking about a 50-100 mile journey here, we are talking plane journeys, hotels , taxis, time off work etc etc, so it happens when weather is involved. It's unfortunate but we all live to tell the tale." The referee was meant to be there at 12 and pitch inspection at 1. He didn't arrive till 1 20. And he's the only one getting paid to be there. He would have known in advance he was down to ref so no excuse.
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 28/02/2017 13:10:35
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Replying To seanorinn: "And you don't need to be a groundsman to work that out!
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:891 - 28/02/2017 12:20:39 1962008
Off course you don't have to be a groundsman and it never is the groundsman call at the end of the day well not inCavan anyway" Well the groundsman should have a big say, after all he would know more about it than a ref who's there to administer the rules.
The groundsman would know the pitch inside out so he should have a big say.
That's what's wrong with the GAA.. the wrong people are making big decisions that don't concern them
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 28/02/2017 13:37:12
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Fellas on here that state you must be playing senior championship football at the top level are just repeating cliches,lots of exceptions to this argument over the years, David Givney,Martin O'Connell, Liam Harnan,PJ Gillick,Olly Murphy,Stephen King,Larry & Peter,Jayo and many many more.
celt2018 (Cavan) - Posts: 160 - 28/02/2017 13:38:49
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Replying To eirekeeper: "Monaghan are relegation contenders when they have gotten points from all 3 matches, including two wins against two of the top teams in the country! Wake up and smell the roses, ye were lucky Monaghan had an off day in Blayney." Yeah I don't know what that lad is on about. Monaghan safe as houses.
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 28/02/2017 14:36:25
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Replying To Awwwwnow: "Well the groundsman should have a big say, after all he would know more about it than a ref who's there to administer the rules.
The groundsman would know the pitch inside out so he should have a big say.
That's what's wrong with the GAA.. the wrong people are making big decisions that don't concern them" I think allowing the local groundsman to make the final decision on whether games are played or not would be very open abuse. The ref is (supposed to be) impartial, that's why he decides. I agree though that he should seek input from the groundsmen
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 01/03/2017 14:00:50
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Replying To himachechy: "I think allowing the local groundsman to make the final decision on whether games are played or not would be very open abuse. The ref is (supposed to be) impartial, that's why he decides. I agree though that he should seek input from the groundsmen" Replying To Awwwwnow: "Well the groundsman should have a big say, after all he would know more about it than a ref who's there to administer the rules.
The groundsman would know the pitch inside out so he should have a big say.
That's what's wrong with the GAA.. the wrong people are making big decisions that don't concern them"
I think allowing the local groundsman to make the final decision on whether games are played or not would be very open abuse. The ref is (supposed to be) impartial, that's why he decides. I agree though that he should seek input from the groundsmen
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts:71 - 01/03/2017 14:00:50 1962477
In all my years in Breifni Park I can state without contradiction that a referee has never once asked me for a Fork/Grape to check the surface and how close the water is to the surface. In fairness to our secretary Liam McCabe he alway's asks me what my thoughts are on the pitch before they call in a referee. I suppose the best secretary was M.Greenan he would take the word of the groundsman above everyone else. I would like to think that I could make an impartial decision BUT I think leaving it to the expert the referee should anything happen to a player or players it falls on him to explain why a match was allowed to be played. I think most groundsmen would agree with me. Most groundsmen I am in contact with are looking after the county ground so we chat amongst ourselves regarding condition of the pitches ect.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 01/03/2017 16:30:03
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Replying To seanorinn: "Replying To Awwwwnow: "Well the groundsman should have a big say, after all he would know more about it than a ref who's there to administer the rules.
The groundsman would know the pitch inside out so he should have a big say.
That's what's wrong with the GAA.. the wrong people are making big decisions that don't concern them"
I think allowing the local groundsman to make the final decision on whether games are played or not would be very open abuse. The ref is (supposed to be) impartial, that's why he decides. I agree though that he should seek input from the groundsmen
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts:71 - 01/03/2017 14:00:50 1962477
In all my years in Breifni Park I can state without contradiction that a referee has never once asked me for a Fork/Grape to check the surface and how close the water is to the surface. In fairness to our secretary Liam McCabe he alway's asks me what my thoughts are on the pitch before they call in a referee. I suppose the best secretary was M.Greenan he would take the word of the groundsman above everyone else. I would like to think that I could make an impartial decision BUT I think leaving it to the expert the referee should anything happen to a player or players it falls on him to explain why a match was allowed to be played. I think most groundsmen would agree with me. Most groundsmen I am in contact with are looking after the county ground so we chat amongst ourselves regarding condition of the pitches ect." Sean,
How is the Park holding up in the face of the weather conditions? Very wet and windy in North Kildare this evening.
kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 01/03/2017 17:57:39
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Replying To kildare blue: " Replying To seanorinn: "Replying To Awwwwnow: "Well the groundsman should have a big say, after all he would know more about it than a ref who's there to administer the rules.
The groundsman would know the pitch inside out so he should have a big say.
That's what's wrong with the GAA.. the wrong people are making big decisions that don't concern them"
I think allowing the local groundsman to make the final decision on whether games are played or not would be very open abuse. The ref is (supposed to be) impartial, that's why he decides. I agree though that he should seek input from the groundsmen
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts:71 - 01/03/2017 14:00:50 1962477
In all my years in Breifni Park I can state without contradiction that a referee has never once asked me for a Fork/Grape to check the surface and how close the water is to the surface. In fairness to our secretary Liam McCabe he alway's asks me what my thoughts are on the pitch before they call in a referee. I suppose the best secretary was M.Greenan he would take the word of the groundsman above everyone else. I would like to think that I could make an impartial decision BUT I think leaving it to the expert the referee should anything happen to a player or players it falls on him to explain why a match was allowed to be played. I think most groundsmen would agree with me. Most groundsmen I am in contact with are looking after the county ground so we chat amongst ourselves regarding condition of the pitches ect." Sean, How is the Park holding up in the face of the weather conditions? Very wet and windy in North Kildare this evening."
How is the Park holding up in the face of the weather conditions? Very wet and windy in North Kildare this evening.
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If the rain we had this evening continues we will be in trouble but I hope all will be okay for Saturday evening. Some rain fell this evening.
Going off course will be soft but we will be fine fingers crossed.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 01/03/2017 21:01:50
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Replying To kildare blue: " Replying To seanorinn: "Replying To Awwwwnow: "Well the groundsman should have a big say, after all he would know more about it than a ref who's there to administer the rules.
The groundsman would know the pitch inside out so he should have a big say.
That's what's wrong with the GAA.. the wrong people are making big decisions that don't concern them"
I think allowing the local groundsman to make the final decision on whether games are played or not would be very open abuse. The ref is (supposed to be) impartial, that's why he decides. I agree though that he should seek input from the groundsmen
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts:71 - 01/03/2017 14:00:50 1962477
In all my years in Breifni Park I can state without contradiction that a referee has never once asked me for a Fork/Grape to check the surface and how close the water is to the surface. In fairness to our secretary Liam McCabe he alway's asks me what my thoughts are on the pitch before they call in a referee. I suppose the best secretary was M.Greenan he would take the word of the groundsman above everyone else. I would like to think that I could make an impartial decision BUT I think leaving it to the expert the referee should anything happen to a player or players it falls on him to explain why a match was allowed to be played. I think most groundsmen would agree with me. Most groundsmen I am in contact with are looking after the county ground so we chat amongst ourselves regarding condition of the pitches ect." Sean, How is the Park holding up in the face of the weather conditions? Very wet and windy in North Kildare this evening."
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Replying To ramor101: " Replying To kildare blue: "[quote=seanorinn: "Replying To Awwwwnow: "Well the groundsman should have a big say, after all he would know more about it than a ref who's there to administer the rules.
The groundsman would know the pitch inside out so he should have a big say.
That's what's wrong with the GAA.. the wrong people are making big decisions that don't concern them"
I think allowing the local groundsman to make the final decision on whether games are played or not would be very open abuse. The ref is (supposed to be) impartial, that's why he decides. I agree though that he should seek input from the groundsmen
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts:71 - 01/03/2017 14:00:50 1962477
In all my years in Breifni Park I can state without contradiction that a referee has never once asked me for a Fork/Grape to check the surface and how close the water is to the surface. In fairness to our secretary Liam McCabe he alway's asks me what my thoughts are on the pitch before they call in a referee. I suppose the best secretary was M.Greenan he would take the word of the groundsman above everyone else. I would like to think that I could make an impartial decision BUT I think leaving it to the expert the referee should anything happen to a player or players it falls on him to explain why a match was allowed to be played. I think most groundsmen would agree with me. Most groundsmen I am in contact with are looking after the county ground so we chat amongst ourselves regarding condition of the pitches ect." Sean, How is the Park holding up in the face of the weather conditions? Very wet and windy in North Kildare this evening."
kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 02/03/2017 06:26:57
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David Gough made a statement on Monday - at no stage was he made aware by the Tyrone officials that there was an issue with pitch, so he arrived as per normal to referee the game.
As for groundsmen making decisions on pitches, totally agree, they know the pitches inside out - sure didn't Terry Hyland once use the excuse that there no bounce on the Breffni Park pitch, and Sean O Rinn quickly corrected him.
Then you have representatives of the Cavan Co Board complaining about the Tyrone match being called off, when they did the same for last years County Final, an hour before it was due to start.
cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 02/03/2017 09:45:34
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