What happened? Did we win

ew1994 (Meath) - Posts: 32 - 27/06/2009 22:49:19    324981

No

qprmeath (None) - Posts: 434 - 28/06/2009 07:49:03    325149

Very disappointing, after a great start we couldn't capitalise, some very dodgy refereeing decisions, young Silke was getting fouled every time the ball went into him. Pay Coyle and his selectors must be praised for the effort and work they've put in in the last couple of years, two very strong teams, I thought this years squad was well worthy of a Leinster again. Unfortunately it didn't work oout that way, will they have the job again next year? Final point, thought young Menton from Ashbourne had a top notch game, he was marking that guy Gribben who is supposedly going to Australia, well he wasn't anything spectacular but Menton had a fine game. Others to impress were Lenihan at full back, one bad mistake that led to Kildare's goal a think but did well otherwise, and Tobin in corner forward was very good also

updaroyal (Meath) - Posts: 1132 - 28/06/2009 23:47:03    325856

I agree with the previous poster. Pat Coyle and his team have brought these lads through from underage and have been successful.I think they should be given the chance to bring them on to U21 level.

boylanabu (Meath) - Posts: 111 - 29/06/2009 11:07:44    326125

i agree boylanbu as i think coyle had an involvement with the team that will be under 21 next year at some stage before, i may stand corrected. so why doesnt he get the under 21 job for next three years. surely would a step in rite direction for meath football..

d1andonly (Meath) - Posts: 53 - 29/06/2009 16:13:45    326674

Thats exactly what i mean. It brings continuity to the job. No one knows these players better than the present managment. But why do i get the feeling when it comes to the crunch people with hidden agendas end personal issues will put these before the good of meath football.

boylanabu (Meath) - Posts: 111 - 30/06/2009 09:12:46    327296

Boylanabu - totally disagree with your comments as the first mistake he made was to take them from u14 and hardly changed the panel on the way up. No proper set up should allow that type of management in our underage system. If you call that success then we are going nowhere fast being beaten by a very average Kildare side that I do not see as going very far. There were at least 5-6 players on team who were not near county standard (and much better players inside the county- some of the strongest clubs had no players on the team while the county champions Dunshaughlin had just one). Is it not a not a bit of a coincident that half the team were from the clubs of the management! Last year he inherited a team that had been coached by a variety of managers and they did quite well until the met Tyrone and got badly beaten. We should be up there with the best, however to achieve this we need to shake the entire underage system up from the very top to bottom. So I see you are now canvassing early for an u21 position- a bit of a joke to say the least! What is the guys cv -did he play junior football?

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 01/07/2009 01:22:37    328331

Browncows ,1. it has been shown in other sports that if you can provide stability and continuity to the coaching set up on an underage level it can provide success.2 please give your suggestions on the 4 or 5 players that should have been there.3 Success as a player on the pitch does not make you a good manager. Eg boylan himself who never played football for meath. The continuity of Managment would actually be a change in Meath underage structures. I do think it would be worth a try. as regards your comment of 50% of the team from the mangement clubs I find that petty and it deos a disservce to your argument. Lets try and keep this discussion rational and respectful.

boylanabu (Meath) - Posts: 111 - 01/07/2009 11:27:10    328508

totally agree with browncows, there was only 1 trial for the minor team it was in january.I dont know whether i would of been good enough to get on the squad but i think people deserve a fair chance.In Louth they were holding numerous trials in October/November, i know it didnt really do them much good but i am sure it is a better way of doing it than what happened this year, and there is alot of players from the managements clubs, but most (or possibly) all of them probably deserved to be in the squad, but it would definately make it easier.

keeper91 (Meath) - Posts: 25 - 01/07/2009 20:09:46    329185

The powers that be would only allow 1 trail and 1 challange match before the start of Ulster League. Management under huge pressure to try lads and probably missed some.

boylanabu (Meath) - Posts: 111 - 01/07/2009 20:59:39    329215

It's the same for every team having so little time 2 prepare... cant use that as an excuse

bennycake21 (Meath) - Posts: 102 - 01/07/2009 21:46:19    329268

I've been involved with my clubs underage for a number of years now and have observed the development squad system as it has opperated for a number of years. IT has a lot of positive accepts associated with it and alot of players get a good level of coaching that they may not get with their clubs. However, there is one flaw in the whole process and that is the method of choosing the mangers. For those not familiar it works as follows. The first level for development squads is at U14 level, however in the previous years some sessions are organised at u12 and u13 to which clubs are asked to send intrested adults to help. Of course these helpers tend to be fathers of lads involved, it is usual from this group of helpers that the manager of the u14 squad is picked and he picks his selectors who usualy come from this group again and there in your problem starts. We tend to end up with a mangement team whose impartitalty, rigthly or wrongly, can be called in question.
An example is our u15 squad, where the manager and each of his selectors have sons on the squad, is this good or bad. Thats the question, surely a county like meath should be able to have a coach insitu at each level who is not directly involved with any players.

doseire (Meath) - Posts: 35 - 01/07/2009 23:00:09    329368

I see that chap cribben from kildare minors has been offered a contract with collingwood in the AFL. He looked no great shakes against meath in the minor game last saturday. If he is considered good enough for AFL then we are on the verge of a massive drain of young players from our association.

kingofclubs (Meath) - Posts: 350 - 02/07/2009 16:46:41    330098

What would of been the problem in having 3 trials in a week? That would not of taking much time, but still give people a chance of impressing, because they basically just picked a provisional on the basis of the previous u16/17 squads. This was unfair on people who werent previously on these squads, and it is at this age that many people can improve drastically or some other people dont improve at all.

keeper91 (Meath) - Posts: 25 - 02/07/2009 16:59:28    330120

Somebody might correct me but if I remember correctly the time Coyle has to work with the Minors is limited. They cannot hold groups session during certain months and there is a limit on the number of sessions the can hold. All part of the anti burn out rules.
Don't think this has anything to do with it, they were good enough to win on Saturday, they had their chances, and should have won

CommitteeeeMan (Meath) - Posts: 153 - 03/07/2009 13:23:24    331039

Boylanabu - Nothing personal but the whole underage setup from top to bottom has been a joke for a number of years and most folk know that (A lot of weeding out at the very top is long overdue). The points you make do not stand up to scrutiny. There are at least 6-7 players on the side who are not up to county minor standard and could have easily been replaced last year by better players and my point about 50% of the team being from the clubs of the management substantiates that fact (to much of a standing coincident!). It is a bit rich comparing Boylan to Coyle, however Boylan played intercounty hurling (and was an exception) and over 90% of successful county managers have played inter county football -fact.

You say the management has only time for one trial- complete nonsense. Had not the management these players form u14 and never made any changes on the way up! The pity about this type of management is that our county does not field their strongest team and underage players are denied the opportunity that they are entitled to (as is the case as stated by keeper91). I'm not sure whether having one trial or 20 trials would have made any difference, as the management seemed oblivious to what was, or was not talent.

Committeeeeman - you obviously do need correcting! He had the same players from u14 all the way up and incorrectly though there was no need to add to the team!!(did they not compete in Ulster leageue?) and this years minor team were lucky to beat a very poor Offaly team and were beaten by a very average Kildare squad as you will see in time

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 03/07/2009 23:21:31    331646

I remember I was at the trial and one of the first things Pat Coyle said to us was..."Anybody has a chance of getting on this panel...regardless of whether or not you've played u14-u17 that means nothing now"..... Now I'm not saying I would have been good enough either but I'd much rather somebody being honest with me. In essence players had one hour to do something extraordinary to come into his plans and when there is more then 50 people there its hard to try and do that.

meathfan1 (Meath) - Posts: 231 - 04/07/2009 14:39:09    331946

Just 1 NOM player on, THE WAY IT SHOULD BE

SS6 (Meath) - Posts: 149 - 04/07/2009 15:28:24    331997

In general I don't know what coaches are telling the players nowadays but if your 1 point behind in the last minute and have a glorious chance of scoring TAKE YOUR POINT. Extra Time or a replay is better than going out. How many time do you see individual players going for goal and glory when taking your point is the best option for the TEAM.

Diego (Meath) - Posts: 1210 - 06/07/2009 10:42:52    333546

bad managment lost that game

gaelo (Meath) - Posts: 3 - 07/07/2009 11:57:40    335381