nemlodoek

Graham Geraghty can give the team those attributes,I am sure of that.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/07/2015 21:28:00    1758933

I would agree some players (about 8/9) went awol v Westmeath, but i know this is controversial i blame management for not having them tougher both physically and mentally

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/07/2015 21:34:26    1758941

Look there is a lot of frustrating from fans etc.I have to say,if MOD gets the gig again,I will have lost complete faith in the people making the decisions.Already the county board are supporting him,and that is baffling in my view.If decisions made(in every aspect of Meath football) continue to be poor,then they will lose a lot of fans I'm afraid.Everyone has to do their best for Meath football.From the people at the clubs,county board members,coaches,players etc.Decisions must be made on the good of Meath football.Can we say we have done that with any confidence? I think that answer is clear.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/07/2015 21:45:58    1758957

I'd say the players were surprised by their great start against Westmeath. They then tried to defend their lead (badly). Of course a lack of fitness and stamina was a factor. But does anyone think that the lack of fight and any players showing leadership up when it mattered most, might have had something to do with some Meath players not fancying playing Dublin again in a Leinster final (was this in the back of their minds).

GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 25/07/2015 21:47:30    1758958

Glas

I doubt that to be honest..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/07/2015 21:52:16    1758966

I think the post mortem is only going to get worse as time goes on and the shock wears off. Did anyone get that inevitable feeling at the Westmeath match that we were always going to squander the lead even when we were 8 points up? you could actually feel the pressure every time Paddy teed up the ball for a kick out knowing full well that the next possession would be a Westmeath attack.

Jimin10 (Meath) - Posts: 783 - 26/07/2015 13:36:21    1759127

Well Jim,I said at HT the game is not over..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 26/07/2015 15:46:35    1759188

I said it when graham Reilly went off to the disgraceful black card

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/07/2015 19:45:38    1759346

Anyone that says we should keep mod on has not got a clue and should go follow another sport ,please go and get a video of the Wicklow game everything wrong with mod s term will be on display for you ,one of the worst teams in the country ran at us and could of and should of scored more than the 3 goals they got we were all over d place looked like a team that had met for the first time in the car park ,get rid and quick or we will end up as the whipping boys ,as Pete mc grath has shown with far worse players a good manager with a game plan and motivated players can be successful we will not win an all Ireland anytime soon but we might win an odd game

matthematx (Meath) - Posts: 177 - 26/07/2015 20:03:28    1759354

Jimin

You summed it up spot on, never in a game have I seen the confidence drain from a team so visibly and quickly, Micko needed to be able to call on a bit of experience from the bench to steady the ship. At that stage we needed men not boys. In their last two games Westmeath have scored a total of 13 points, but ran up a big score against us with little or no resistance. Yet he gets a vote of confidence from C.B.
One thing that came out loud and clear from SB recent interview was that injuries can never and should never be used as an excuse. That is why you get a panel together to cover all eventualities.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2144 - 26/07/2015 20:27:28    1759374

This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is similar it has been incorporated here.

oldsam_newsam
Posts: 51

Meath 27/07/2015 11:39

Meath Management 2016 While the county board should be commended for much of the work they have done in balancing the finances and even in being decisive in recommending Mick O Dowd to continue it is worth considering the alternatives out there and also the replacement for Sean Kelly if MOD is kept. I also hear from people and read online that there are no viable alternatives that are interested. I don't necessarily disagree with that. Here are some suggestions. Team manager: Paddy Carr, quite a good track record with Louth and Kilmacud Crokes. Experienced manager. Eamonn O'Brien former manager and selector. Other alternatives as selectors: Kevin Foley manager at Clonard and former player, Mick Lyons, Declan McCabe, Summerhill, Tony Kearney former Wolfe Tones manager. Graham Geraghty. There are also potential managers, selectors, fitness coaches in other counties. We should not be as insular to suggest that only meath men should apply. What are people's opinion on our options?

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2274 - 27/07/2015 11:44:35    1759583

ADMINISTRATOR.......... Can anyone give any information on where the 3 wise men are on the issue ? I would be very surprised if [A] they have no interest or no role in the appointment. That they have not identified the key skills and/or development needs for the post of manager NOWADAYS . For the powers that be i.e. the CB, the clubs,the 3 wise men,even some supporters to accept more of the same is short sighted,and in this supporters view IRRESPONSIBLE !! I always thought that EAMONN o Brien was short changed, and discarded prematurely. If he was interested in taking the job ,and availing of the development offered i suggest him as a possibility. In final summary from this poster A MASSIVE NEED HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AROUND MANAGEMENT TEAM !! This has been obvious for 3 years, and got even more pronounced this year. I suggest the powers that be DO care. NOW go and deal with it !! enough is enough !!

Lads I don't want MOD gone but it's 50 50 blame with the players....I'm just finished up playing after 20 years of it and not once did I blame the manager, and if the manager didn't have a breeze the players always took it into there own hands, and we won a senior championship that way.....ya see this everywhere....France in the rugby in 2011 for example...players have to take responsibility too....they seen what was happening on the day and didn't react

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 890 - 27/07/2015 17:32:43    1759908

Well said southmeathgael

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1790 - 27/07/2015 18:28:48    1759950

southmeathgael

True,but I think you need a strong manager who can tell players whats what etc..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 27/07/2015 18:33:02    1759952

Southmeath gael. Who picks the players? Management, who got rid of the experienced players that are better than what's on team ? Management. Who then blamed lack of experience on not beating a very poor Westmeath team and was poxed lucky to beat the second worst team in country? Management.
If it walks like a duck , quacks like a duck, odds are , its a duck.
None of this is coincidence. Only one man to blame and remove and move on.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/07/2015 18:37:55    1759955

southmeathgael
County: Meath
Posts: 113

1759908
Lads I don't want MOD gone but it's 50 50 blame with the players....I'm just finished up playing after 20 years of it and not once did I blame the manager, and if the manager didn't have a breeze the players always took it into there own hands, and we won a senior championship that way.....ya see this everywhere....France in the rugby in 2011 for example...players have to take responsibility too....they seen what was happening on the day and didn't react

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I think the fench rugby team in 2011 had rebelled against Marc Lièvremont after the pool stage, and had effectively managed themselves in the knockout rounds..meaning they relised they had a idiote d'un entraîneur!

If Sean kelly had to stay on i would have been happy enough to give Mod another year,if you look at the Westmeath game everybody talks about how good we were in attack..you can put that down to good coaching (Sean Kelly)..Now when Westmeath came at us in the last quarter and we had no answers for them in any shape or form i put that down to bad management!

Now if Mod does get the green light from our county board provided he runs the gauntlet of pump house politics...he is going to need a new backroom team that will tick all the boxes..Now that said if Meath fail to tick all the boxes next spring the new excuse from Mod and people on here will be "this is a brand new backroom team and will need time to implement there plan and for the players to adjust to a new system..so Meath fans need to be patient!"

Plutôt que de répéter sans cesse à l'enfant que le feu brûle, consentons à le laisser un peu se brûler : l'expérience instruit plus sûrement que le conseil

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 876 - 27/07/2015 20:29:39    1760012

I think a bit much is made of how well we played v Westmeath in a half of a game.Yes we did play good stuff,but against a very poor side.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 27/07/2015 21:27:55    1760033

The possible lack of suitable replacements for MOD should not be held as a reason for continuing with him in charge for another year. Judge the man on his and his team's performances over his term and not on who could possibly replace him. The fact that the decision by the county board executive to back him was unanimous is astonishing and raises serious questions of their judgement. I can only assume that the clubs' views will be much more representative of the county as a whole than that unanimous decision. Continuity in the management team is a bonus but should only be followed when the management team are performing well. Continuity purely for the sake of it is not a road we should be going down.

The team has regressed gradually over the three years. Coming from a position with Banty at least competing with Dublin in a Leinster final, instead of pushing on we have clearly gone much backwards. I didn't think we could get much worse than last years defeat to Armagh. Move on to this year and look how much further we have declined. Not only with results on the field. The team is unsettled. After three years in charge MOD does not know his best team. Players are continually being played out of position. There is no continuity in team selection, whether it is in personnel or position. Experienced players dropped from the panel and then laughably blaming defeats on a lack of experience and injuries.

The argument that we don't have the players can only stretch so far. Granted we don't have the quality of Kerry, Dublin or Mayo to win All Ireland's but we have the resources to be competitive. To beat teams like Westmeath, Tyrone, Armagh, Roscomman, Laois and so on. To get promotion to division 1 like we have watched Down, Roscomman, Kildare and Westmesth do.

Here are some names of potential managers or management teams (may have been discussed already). Whats certain is that Meath have regressed under MOD. If the clubs decide a change is needed then so be it, and I would support that view.

Gerry McEntee
Graham Geraghty
Paddy Carr
Tommy Dowd / Darren Fay
Colm O'Rourke
Eamonn O'Brien / Donal Curtis

men_of_49 (Meath) - Posts: 1989 - 28/07/2015 15:33:19    1760323

Men_of_49

A few things to note on these and my own opinion on some

Gerry McEntee (He's a top surgeon in Dublin I doubt he would have the time to be a county manager, club yea but not county)
Graham Geraghty (I'd be expecting him to come to the CB with some sort or plan with a solid backroom team otherwise no)
Paddy Carr (same as Geraghty)
Tommy Dowd / Darren Fay (Do they have any serious managerial experience?)
Colm O'Rourke (He's have to give up his nicely paid Sunday game job which I doubt he would)
Eamonn O'Brien / Donal Curtis (I kinda like the sound of this one)

Uncle_Fester (Meath) - Posts: 217 - 28/07/2015 15:46:22    1760334