I agree with you 100percent Yellow. They are the best forwards in Meath championship football.

But according to most know-it-all posters here, they are too old or too meek and its all about progression and "pace" and "modern football". So we end up with lads who are at present not even fully grown yet being pushed around croke park and kicking the ball into the keepers hands from 21 yards out.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1319 - 24/07/2014 11:41:20    1625185

crinigan - okay here's a scenario, play queeney and wardy.
We get annialated anyway. THEN WHAT? they aren't the future. Tough lessons to be learned by McMahon, McDonagh and Wallace.

But they are young lads, who WILL learn from that game. I didn't think they actually did much wrong.
Shameful that you scapegoat the young lads

dubsout (Meath) - Posts: 220 - 24/07/2014 14:28:24    1625347

not sure if JQ and CW,have the committment for county football..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 24/07/2014 15:01:41    1625385

I dont see McDonagh as the problem, compared to the other two he is far bulkier. I also think that he gets on a lot of ball in dangerous positions, and although he isn't converting that into scores right now, it will come in time.
What do i know about Armagh? not much out from what I see on Sunday nights and the game in Navan in March, but one thing Im full sure of is that with men like McKeever they will be fierce strong and would laugh at the size of McMahon and Wallace...
I believe football is all about horses for courses, while also playing to your strengths at the same time.
I would go with ...
Paddy
Burke Reilly Keoghan
Tobin Harnan Carroll
Meade Menton
Tormey McDonagh Reilly
Newman O'Rourke Bray

I also think Seamus Kenny will play a huge role in this game from the bench. Experience will be very important

urizen (Meath) - Posts: 115 - 24/07/2014 15:56:41    1625425

Urizen

Size doesn't matter if you are a good enough footballer.Bryan McMahon is a really good footballer,who would have had a field day against Kildare,he wasn't one of our worst players against Dublin either. As for Joey? Different story,only in the panel a few months,he is very small,but more importantly,I am not sure how promising he is yet..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 24/07/2014 16:39:00    1625452

Look this is going to be a physical game we all know that. Joey etc are excellent future prospects for Meath and will be great players. However this game will be all about physicality and as has been said horses for courses. I'll take a example_and iI'm not just selecting these two players out, biggy and Wallace while Graham has underperformed this championship so far , he would be far more equipped for what armagh throw at us than joey . again I'm not saying they would be swapped etc I'm just using both players as a example you could pick another example. I guess what I'm saying is you pick a team to win this match. That does not mean that whom ever is left out would not automatically start against different opposition. If we don't get to quarters we will have not advanced at all. This is make or break IMO. No ifs and buts a win by ANY means is all that matters.
Hon the Royal.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 24/07/2014 17:37:24    1625493

MillerX that is not a theory is a fact, we have not preformed well against any team for 70 minutes in a long while, the facts speak for themselves, time to man up big time, both players and management
Armagh coming to this game with momentum but we have advantage of playing a few games in Croker. Time for excuses is over

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2151 - 24/07/2014 19:38:48    1625558

If we don't beat Armagh we have gone backwards that's forgetting about last Sundays embarrassment . MOD wants Meath to compete in division 1 Armagh are a div 3 team next year . I think we will beat Armagh and will also give donegal a good game I f we win . Teams along with Dublin that are left in the championship I think would beat us well if we played them next , Kerry , Mayo , Monaghan , Cork , . Teams we might play well against , donegal , Kildare , Tipperary , Galway . Teams we should bet , Armagh , Sligo . But if the meath county board don't put a youth program in place and look to the future we will be writing these posts for a long time . Sadly I believe none of the players on this Meath team will win an all Ireland we need to put a plan in place now for the future . We need every county team in Meath playing the same style of football starting at u12 . We need to improve club football and schools football . Until that happens we will not see a Meath team lift the Sam Maguire .

mmc (Meath) - Posts: 268 - 24/07/2014 20:32:12    1625586

Mmc. I'd put galway and Kildare in the teams we should beat but apart from that your spot on in what you saying.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/07/2014 08:40:06    1625644

It is that clear cut. Take the Dublin game out of it and very few would worry about facing armagh. As mmc said if we don't beat them in championship in Croke park at this stage of mods tenure we have gone backwards. I feel we will win with bit to spare. The objective was last 8 that is still the plan

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 25/07/2014 09:46:09    1625671

If we get beaten,I worry people may call for Micko's head.I don't want this to happen,I beleive the management team will learn a lot too,and bringing in a new manager would take all that back to square one..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 25/07/2014 11:39:36    1625742

Ziggy AGREED !! He deserves at least 3 years to learn and develop a panel. Armagh game is an ideal opportunity for all players to make amends, and give it everything. !! Thanks those players who gave it everything against Dublin. Hopefully the remainder will learn from their example. Meath to win by 2 points !

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1228 - 25/07/2014 12:57:26    1625805

nobull

Looka at Gilroy,he learnt as Dublin manager. O'Dowd does a lot of things very well and is extremely dedicated,lets hope if we do lose,that there are no knee-jerk reactions..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 25/07/2014 13:42:00    1625832

Just reading there that Fitzmaurice has drafted in 2 players into the Kerry squad. In light of that and the lack of a physical spine to the team last Sunday, are there any players out there in Meath that would be deserving of a call up. Now don't start with the usual suspects of Ward,Farrell etc., I mean someone who hasn't been there before.
On the subject of subs etc., can anyone explain why Paddy Gilsenan seems to be either surplus to requirements or last man called on. It may sound a bit parochial as he's from the area but he's a full blooded player who never let the side down anytime I've seen him in action. Only thing against him is his physical size but you could say about about half a dozen others that started or came on a lot sooner the last day.

moylagh (Meath) - Posts: 484 - 25/07/2014 13:42:17    1625833

moylagh

What is against Gilsenan(imo),is,the fact that I still don't know what his best position is.. Looked a handy corner forward a few years back,but seems to have lost that instinct..
Can't really see anyone being called in who never has at this stage..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 25/07/2014 13:52:48    1625843

I would definitely bring Jamie Queeny back into the panel. Havent seen enough SFC games to make any other comment.

trim1 (Meath) - Posts: 162 - 25/07/2014 14:10:05    1625853

trim1

What did Queeney do when he was on the panel before?

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 25/07/2014 14:24:06    1625862

Ziggy, I remember him playing well against Mayo in an All-Ireland Q final. He is playing very well for Na Fianna at the moment and that has to count for something even if it is club football.

Personally, I would have him in the panel ahead of Joey Wallace. We really only should be playing 17 yr olds in very exceptional circumstances and I dont feel that Joey brought much to the party last week. Too inexperienced and not physical enough.

I am not saying that Queeney is a world beater in comparison to many players that we had before but I think he definitely should be considered. From what I can see, MOD seems to have lost confidence in Paddy Gilsenan and David Bray and I would like to see those players get a more extended run than they have done in the recent past.

So, I hope that MOD is prepared to strenghten the squad as Eamonn Fitzmaurice has done. Last Sunday was the worst capitulation from a Meath team against Dublin I have seen and I think I have been at every one since 1983/84.

trim1 (Meath) - Posts: 162 - 25/07/2014 15:55:09    1625896

No matter what happens Mod stays on .And if he takes full responsibility for the dublin game then I think the players will respond. We didn't close the Armagh corner forward down in navan in the leauge .

royalpainter (Meath) - Posts: 874 - 26/07/2014 12:08:44    1626076

Gilsenan was never a scoring forward,and even when playing in corner forward he rarely got on the score sheet (and he got plenty of game time). He is a hard worker but not sure where he would fit in on the team? maybe wing back but ahead of who?.

Really disappointed with the performance against the Dubs last weekend, it was as if the management didnt know what to expect. At least if they tried to play to a defensive system and lost you could look say that at least they tried something different.

As for the Armagh game, this could be another pasting if we don't get the team organised and judging by the preparation we did for the Dubs game (which we had a full year for) I don't hold out much hope. They will be rearing to go and you can be sure they will have their homework done.

This is a very important game for Meath and will tell us a good deal about the current squad and management.

NAIL_BAR (Meath) - Posts: 457 - 26/07/2014 13:10:30    1626097