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Concentrate on learning and more importantly practicing the skills of the game.
Forwards should always learn to kick of both feet and turn of both sides.
Strength and conditioning will come through time. Get the skills right first.. practice practice .

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 21/08/2017 12:47:10    2035977

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Replying To StirringIt:  "I don't want to really get into a discussion with you but do you feel the score was a reflection off the game. Three clear cut chances missed in the first half alone any other time they would have been in the back of the net. Yes this Kerry team are special thats for sure and I hope the county board look at the physic of these lads along side ours and realise money is being wasted in the wrong area "Coaching ???" this has to be looked into very soon because it's not doing what it was set out to do. We have to strengthen up our lads and this applies across the board now one can see why Cavan are going no place fast just look at out teams even if only along side Tyrone let alone Kerry Dublin Mayo

Q1. Yes Sean, I do think the score was a reflection. Kerry could have had a few more goals IF they needed them. Misses don't count for anything. Just ask our seniors !!!!

Q2. These are Minors and next year Minor will be u17. As you seriously suggesting that players who are still developing physically should be put on a weights programme !!

Teens have difficulty with knowing how to use discretion in many things and exercise and healthy living is often one of those things. Many teens are introduced to the world of muscle building either as a part of their sports teams' regimen to increase their stamina and strength or through the many 'six-pack' articles in men's magazines. However, teens may do themselves more harm than good with muscle building.

Many of the sports teams for teenagers now insist they play harder and accomplish more than has ever before been accomplished. In order for them to accomplish more they are encouraged to 'buff up'. They are encouraged to lift weights by their coaches, their team mates as well as by society. The idea they may be the next sports star is not far from anyone's mind.

There are many dangers involved in weight training for the average adult let alone a young man or woman not quite through with their body's development. Doing too much too fast, lifting more than you should before your body is ready can be disastrous for someone just starting a muscle building program.

Teens that have not completely developed the musculature and the bone growth they will eventually achieve are in serious danger of damaging growing muscles and bones to the extent they will cause the growth plates (epiphyseal plates) of their bones to prematurely close causing a stunting of the growth of the teen. There are many injuries that can happen that will permanently injure muscles, tendons, and joints, causing pain and disability for the rest of their lives. The rupture of an Achilles tendon, for example, will cause pain for quite some time if not for the lifespan of the sufferer.

Moderation in all things is the key to a healthy life. A teenager should build up slowly to any exercise, especially one that can be quite dangerous if not done properly. Permanent injury is not something you wish to see happen to any child and avoid a lifetime of pain and suffering"
Have I said something wrong here DID I MENTION WEIGHTS I am not sure that I have to be honest. Two areas get rid of the manual coaches and begin with teaching the art of using both feet don't leave this to parents all the time because many of us don't have the ability to kick with both feet.
Regarding weights I am not sure I mentioned weights at all but strength and conditioning yes does this mean it can only be done using weights. Weights in moderation will do no harm but if one wants to bulk up well thats a different kettle of fish. Looking at the size of some of these player legs could someone tell me what they used to develop this specific area.
I have watched athletes using weights and the majority of them don't have a pick on them so it's not all about bulk is it. Strength yes bulk no.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4533 - 21/08/2017 13:27:47    2036004

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Very proud to see a Cavan team in Croke Park on All Ireland semi final day. The lads deserve great credit for all the work they have put in throughout the year and can hold their heads high. As the first Cavan minor team to get to this stage in 43 years the experience will really stand to them and the drive to get back to the big stage will be a real motivator for them at U20 level. It wasn't our day but I do believe our day will come. Well done to the team and management for all their hard work to give us something positive to cheer about. Keep it lit!

Bluekicks (Cavan) - Posts: 1 - 21/08/2017 14:28:59    2036036

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to the people bemoaning the use of weights..... there's a hell of a difference in doing weights for bodybuilding and using weights for athleticism. I don't think anyone is encouraging these young lads to go out use all the supplements available in order to put on a frame like Arnie. there's specific weights and strength programmes designed for adults and adolescents that will in fact help their game and their athleticism. Most of these lads are of a good physical structure already so a balanced diet along with a strength programme will naturally increase their weight and with the main focus being on strength. No harm done and nobody dies. what your left with is healthy athlete.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 390 - 21/08/2017 14:44:45    2036044

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As a neutral was highly impressed by the quality of football produced by both teams under terrible conditions. The quality of play by Clifford from Kerry lived up to the press he had received. However I was more impressed by the display of the Cavan midfielders which was as a good if not better than anything I have seen at this or any level. A Kerry supporter near me said that the Kerry Group should get them good jobs and lure them south.
Hope to hear more about them in the future. Well done.

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 509 - 21/08/2017 15:14:12    2036067

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Replying To theweanling:  "to the people bemoaning the use of weights..... there's a hell of a difference in doing weights for bodybuilding and using weights for athleticism. I don't think anyone is encouraging these young lads to go out use all the supplements available in order to put on a frame like Arnie. there's specific weights and strength programmes designed for adults and adolescents that will in fact help their game and their athleticism. Most of these lads are of a good physical structure already so a balanced diet along with a strength programme will naturally increase their weight and with the main focus being on strength. No harm done and nobody dies. what your left with is healthy athlete."
to the people bemoaning the use of weights..... there's a hell of a difference in doing weights for bodybuilding and using weights for athleticism. I don't think anyone is encouraging these young lads to go out use all the supplements available in order to put on a frame like Arnie. there's specific weights and strength programmes designed for adults and adolescents that will in fact help their game and their athleticism. Most of these lads are of a good physical structure already so a balanced diet along with a strength programme will naturally increase their weight and with the main focus being on strength. No harm done and nobody dies. what your left with is healthy athlete.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts:129 - 21/08/2017 14:44:45 2036044

Oh god thank you very much for your post you put my thoughts very well. Amen.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4533 - 21/08/2017 15:23:05    2036074

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What was up with the Cavan side line yesterday , I didn't see the coach or selector there

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 284 - 21/08/2017 20:50:57    2036179

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Replying To goonie:  "What was up with the Cavan side line yesterday , I didn't see the coach or selector there"
What was up with the Cavan side line yesterday , I didn't see the coach or selector there

goonie (Cavan) - Posts:204 - 21/08/2017 20:50:57 2036179


Did you not well you must not have been at the match then. Did you not see them getting warned as to how many could be on the side line and even if the water man or Mayor Foine could enter the pitch. Very regimental on that pitch yesterday for sure. The incident with Patterson stopped Cavans drive and hot spell, it gave Kerry a chance to recycle.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4533 - 21/08/2017 22:35:15    2036213

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Replying To seanorinn:  "What was up with the Cavan side line yesterday , I didn't see the coach or selector there

goonie (Cavan) - Posts:204 - 21/08/2017 20:50:57 2036179


Did you not well you must not have been at the match then. Did you not see them getting warned as to how many could be on the side line and even if the water man or Mayor Foine could enter the pitch. Very regimental on that pitch yesterday for sure. The incident with Patterson stopped Cavans drive and hot spell, it gave Kerry a chance to recycle."
Look we have the same posters on here before game is half way . Shows they were not at game . Nothing new in this . Fair play to the lads and management. Spot on . I was a very proud cavan man leaving croke park on Sunday evening soaking wet . A Cavan team in an All Ireland semi final . A cavan team that scored 2-10. A manager that lets them play fast attractive football . They honed in on the kerry fullback line and got 2 goals and could have scored another 3. Clifford is different class.Won most of our own kickouts . We knew coming in kerry were going to win . Agree with Sean ,pattersons injury affected the scoreboard. Cavan were on top and it gave kerry the chance to regroup. Anyone at the game could see we did play a sweeper. Pushed up then with 15 mins to go to try and win the game . Great credit for this . Got game back to 5 points . Then injury and 10 mins added on which kerry regrouped and kicked for home where clifford scored 3 points . Cavan were pushed up trying to win the game . Fair play to them . Great year . Thank you to everyone involved for a great year . Dora back posting when we are beaten . Fairly quiet after Galway game.

Countrywide2 (Cavan) - Posts: 11 - 21/08/2017 23:59:20    2036240

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Replying To seanorinn:  "What was up with the Cavan side line yesterday , I didn't see the coach or selector there

goonie (Cavan) - Posts:204 - 21/08/2017 20:50:57 2036179


Did you not well you must not have been at the match then. Did you not see them getting warned as to how many could be on the side line and even if the water man or Mayor Foine could enter the pitch. Very regimental on that pitch yesterday for sure. The incident with Patterson stopped Cavans drive and hot spell, it gave Kerry a chance to recycle."
Yeah Kerry needed that chance didn't they?
What match were you really watching?
The score line was never in doubt after 10 minutes. Never!

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 22/08/2017 05:31:12    2036252

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Replying To Countrywide2:  "Look we have the same posters on here before game is half way . Shows they were not at game . Nothing new in this . Fair play to the lads and management. Spot on . I was a very proud cavan man leaving croke park on Sunday evening soaking wet . A Cavan team in an All Ireland semi final . A cavan team that scored 2-10. A manager that lets them play fast attractive football . They honed in on the kerry fullback line and got 2 goals and could have scored another 3. Clifford is different class.Won most of our own kickouts . We knew coming in kerry were going to win . Agree with Sean ,pattersons injury affected the scoreboard. Cavan were on top and it gave kerry the chance to regroup. Anyone at the game could see we did play a sweeper. Pushed up then with 15 mins to go to try and win the game . Great credit for this . Got game back to 5 points . Then injury and 10 mins added on which kerry regrouped and kicked for home where clifford scored 3 points . Cavan were pushed up trying to win the game . Fair play to them . Great year . Thank you to everyone involved for a great year . Dora back posting when we are beaten . Fairly quiet after Galway game."
I posted before and after the Galway game. I said we had a chance because Galway played an open style. I also said Derry would beat us as they would be tactically ahead of us and Kerry were always going to win because of Clifford. Yes we scored 2 10 but we conceded 2 22. 24 scores. A score every two and a half minutes. I gave the players credit all year and there are potentially brilliant future senior players. Madden, Pierson, Smith and Curran if their development is managed properly. So are you trying to say it was a moral victory? If you are we in Cavan should stop accepting that. The best people should be put in positions of influence.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 22/08/2017 10:08:05    2036293

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Replying To Countrywide2:  "Look we have the same posters on here before game is half way . Shows they were not at game . Nothing new in this . Fair play to the lads and management. Spot on . I was a very proud cavan man leaving croke park on Sunday evening soaking wet . A Cavan team in an All Ireland semi final . A cavan team that scored 2-10. A manager that lets them play fast attractive football . They honed in on the kerry fullback line and got 2 goals and could have scored another 3. Clifford is different class.Won most of our own kickouts . We knew coming in kerry were going to win . Agree with Sean ,pattersons injury affected the scoreboard. Cavan were on top and it gave kerry the chance to regroup. Anyone at the game could see we did play a sweeper. Pushed up then with 15 mins to go to try and win the game . Great credit for this . Got game back to 5 points . Then injury and 10 mins added on which kerry regrouped and kicked for home where clifford scored 3 points . Cavan were pushed up trying to win the game . Fair play to them . Great year . Thank you to everyone involved for a great year . Dora back posting when we are beaten . Fairly quiet after Galway game."
We played a sweeper miles away from Clifford and he never managed to get back to double up on him when the ball went in. He was positioned in totally the wrong place and his role seemed to be to assist carrying the ball from deep as opposed to covering their most dangerous forward. I dont remember the "sweeper" intercepting one ball and that's no disrespect to him, he was clearly asked to play the role incorrectly.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1298 - 22/08/2017 13:28:29    2036380

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Replying To fredflint:  "We played a sweeper miles away from Clifford and he never managed to get back to double up on him when the ball went in. He was positioned in totally the wrong place and his role seemed to be to assist carrying the ball from deep as opposed to covering their most dangerous forward. I dont remember the "sweeper" intercepting one ball and that's no disrespect to him, he was clearly asked to play the role incorrectly."
Clifford is unmarkable at minor level so a sweeper system would only free up an extra runner for Kerry. 6-4 with his ability he would just make a mug out of 2 defenders instead of one.
The only possible way is to cut off the supply to him further out the field.
A high ball into Clifford with his ability to turn both ways and kick of both feet is very hard to defend against whether it's 2 men on him or one man.
He's been doing the same thing to teams for the last 2 years and no minor team can handle him.
I actually thought we played quite well overall. Our movement was good. Handling at times was poor as lads seemed afraid to go down on the ball to pick it up.
Should be 3/4 players there with a Senior future in a few years if handled properly .

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 22/08/2017 14:42:25    2036413

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Clifford is unmarkable at minor level so a sweeper system would only free up an extra runner for Kerry. 6-4 with his ability he would just make a mug out of 2 defenders instead of one.
The only possible way is to cut off the supply to him further out the field.
A high ball into Clifford with his ability to turn both ways and kick of both feet is very hard to defend against whether it's 2 men on him or one man.
He's been doing the same thing to teams for the last 2 years and no minor team can handle him.
I actually thought we played quite well overall. Our movement was good. Handling at times was poor as lads seemed afraid to go down on the ball to pick it up.
Should be 3/4 players there with a Senior future in a few years if handled properly ."
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts:302 - 22/08/2017 14:42:25 2036413


I think at any level Clifford would be hard to handle. Is their a senior player in Cavan or even Cork for that matter that could mark him I don't think so.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4533 - 22/08/2017 15:41:38    2036437

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Clifford is unmarkable at minor level so a sweeper system would only free up an extra runner for Kerry. 6-4 with his ability he would just make a mug out of 2 defenders instead of one.
The only possible way is to cut off the supply to him further out the field.
A high ball into Clifford with his ability to turn both ways and kick of both feet is very hard to defend against whether it's 2 men on him or one man.
He's been doing the same thing to teams for the last 2 years and no minor team can handle him.
I actually thought we played quite well overall. Our movement was good. Handling at times was poor as lads seemed afraid to go down on the ball to pick it up.
Should be 3/4 players there with a Senior future in a few years if handled properly ."
Its definitely an exaggeration to say we played a sweeper because in my eyes Clifford was left one on one all day. The best minor footballer in years & we don't double up on him??? Crazy stuff. I didn't think a lot of the other Kerry forwards were overly dangerous & would have allowed us to focus on there dangerman who scored 1-10 and setup approx 1-05 out of a total of 2-22

bond (Longford) - Posts: 157 - 22/08/2017 17:52:04    2036498

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Replying To bond:  "Its definitely an exaggeration to say we played a sweeper because in my eyes Clifford was left one on one all day. The best minor footballer in years & we don't double up on him??? Crazy stuff. I didn't think a lot of the other Kerry forwards were overly dangerous & would have allowed us to focus on there dangerman who scored 1-10 and setup approx 1-05 out of a total of 2-22"
I only heard bits of the match because I was at work but did leave the same player who was getting a roasting on Cliffford all match?
The commentator remarked on the constant fumbling and losing possession by the Cavan players too. Kerry didn';t seem to fumble the ball much.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 22/08/2017 19:03:08    2036513

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I was at the game and I don't think it's accurate to say we played a sweeper. For the most part Clifford was left one on one, first with Fortune and then with Nulty, then back to Fortune. The early yellow made it difficult for Fortune. Nulty should never have been left on him, this is where the bulk of the damage was done. To not focus on nullifying Clifford as priority number 1 going into this game was handing Kerry the game before the throw in.

The most worrying thing was our inability to execute the basic skills of the game. A huge amount of scuffed shots, passes to Kerry men, handling errors. The Galway game was exactly the same except Galway didn't punish us. It's worrying just how far we were off Kerry. Don't let the comeback cover up how much better Kerry were. Kerry players were through on goal 3 times and showed mercy by taking their point.

The best we can take from this is to see a couple of possible future Senior players in Cian Madden and James Smith. Madden has vision and skill and looks like a real leader. Smith is aggressive and has great hands. If they put in the commitment required they could be additions to the senior panel soon.

Overall, we need to look at the level of coaching of youngsters within the county. While our Minors and U17s both reached Ulster finals this year, they have both ended the campaigns on hammerings. Derry, Tyrone and Kerry were operating on a much higher level than us. What can we do to bridge the gap? Are the tactics being employed finding the right balance between producing attacking players and giving ourselves the best chance of winning every game we play?

Fair play to the lads on giving us a great year. Their U20 campaign will come around very fast, hopefully they can stick together and do what the 2011 U21s did and get their Ulster title second time around.

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1450 - 22/08/2017 19:42:48    2036525

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Replying To JonSmith:  "I was at the game and I don't think it's accurate to say we played a sweeper. For the most part Clifford was left one on one, first with Fortune and then with Nulty, then back to Fortune. The early yellow made it difficult for Fortune. Nulty should never have been left on him, this is where the bulk of the damage was done. To not focus on nullifying Clifford as priority number 1 going into this game was handing Kerry the game before the throw in.

The most worrying thing was our inability to execute the basic skills of the game. A huge amount of scuffed shots, passes to Kerry men, handling errors. The Galway game was exactly the same except Galway didn't punish us. It's worrying just how far we were off Kerry. Don't let the comeback cover up how much better Kerry were. Kerry players were through on goal 3 times and showed mercy by taking their point.

The best we can take from this is to see a couple of possible future Senior players in Cian Madden and James Smith. Madden has vision and skill and looks like a real leader. Smith is aggressive and has great hands. If they put in the commitment required they could be additions to the senior panel soon.

Overall, we need to look at the level of coaching of youngsters within the county. While our Minors and U17s both reached Ulster finals this year, they have both ended the campaigns on hammerings. Derry, Tyrone and Kerry were operating on a much higher level than us. What can we do to bridge the gap? Are the tactics being employed finding the right balance between producing attacking players and giving ourselves the best chance of winning every game we play?

Fair play to the lads on giving us a great year. Their U20 campaign will come around very fast, hopefully they can stick together and do what the 2011 U21s did and get their Ulster title second time around."
This Cavan team were not in the top 6 in ulster at the start of the year. They were massive underdogs in every game . Yes there were some handling errors It was raining . But they never give up and preformed better than any Cavan team in croke park. Remember there was no college seccuss in Cavan for the last 2 years . Derry are winning at college level so are Kerry. Hogan cup winners in croke park this year. So for this Management team to lift a group of players to the top 4 in Ireland . Remarkable . The u17s were playing with one hand behind their back not being allowed to play a full team . To bring that team to an ulster final. They had to win games to get there . Remarkable . So credit where its due . Hats of to all involved for giving the true Cavan fans one hell of a summer . To try and blacken people who have brought a team to an all Ireland Semi final is very bitter . 2 ulster finals . All in one year . We need to look after these people. Not try and run them into the ground . This is what is wrong with Cavan .

Countrywide2 (Cavan) - Posts: 11 - 22/08/2017 23:06:46    2036586

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Hi all, are minor club competitions in Cavan U-17 for 2018 or staying U-18?

shorona (Sligo) - Posts: 114 - 08/02/2018 16:19:29    2075045

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Replying To shorona:  "Hi all, are minor club competitions in Cavan U-17 for 2018 or staying U-18?"
Under 17

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 08/02/2018 17:25:39    2075058

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