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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "
Replying To ondforty:  "[quote=Cavan_Shambles:  "Progress is measured in small forward steps and we have made some



The facts are as follows. We got relegated this year from division one with less points than we did in 2017. Furthermore, in 2018 we lost to Tyrone in the qualifiers by 3 points, this year it was 16.

Try and put a positive spin on that.

Because to claim that these facts are indicative of "progress" is an outright falsehood."
Shambles, my measure of progress was centred around our performances after the Galway league match and up to the Armagh replay, in terms of our style of play and energy levels, which you would know since you read my post. This was a real improvement from the previous negative rubbish.

I don't claim to be ecstatic about everything else. I certainly didn't claim to be overjoyed at the facts you mentioned. You're the one guilty of a 'an outright falsehood ' by linking my post to those facts. Our performance against Tyrone was like yourself, a Cavan Shambles. Time will tell if we are on a real progress path in the coming league. I believe that Mickey has the ability to regroup, replace a few players with better, and perhaps his mgnt team too, and get us back to Div 1 playing decent attacking football."
Fair enough if I misinterpreted your post.

I understand what you're saying but it's no consolation for how the year ended up.

I just think it's a futile exercise to put faith in a broken system. Tweaking things here and there by playing such and such a player is avoiding the fundamental reality that football in this county is broken from the ground up. Hoping that things might improve next year is what we've done every year. For the last fifty years. Like, have we to endure this failure every year until time immemorial? What I wonder is, what is wrong with the people administering the games in Cavan that they can't recognise patterns?

Would you personally agree that a solitary Ulster title for a half a century's worth of effort is indicative of a county that is doing something fundamentally wrong?

What meaningful difference did the U21 success make at senior level? To date, the net effect of it was to go from division three to division two, contesting one Ulster final.

So we're in the midst of the club championship now, and I wonder how well Cavan clubs will fare in Ulster? I have a fair idea, and it's not a positive one.

Its very tiring dealing with the same result every Summer."]Genuine question here! And I'm not been smart! What do you suggest to improve things! I taught myself things were looking up from the club championship last year to the div 1 league even though we got relegated to the championship up to the Ulster final! We now have a full time professional s+c coach! New good manager! Clubs like crosserlough and gowna, castlerahan ect putting their best foot forward, ! What's going wrong or what needs to be done?

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 705 - 02/08/2019 17:21:12    2219837

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Replying To blueman1903:  "
Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "[quote=ondforty:  "[quote=Cavan_Shambles:  "Progress is measured in small forward steps and we have made some



The facts are as follows. We got relegated this year from division one with less points than we did in 2017. Furthermore, in 2018 we lost to Tyrone in the qualifiers by 3 points, this year it was 16.

Try and put a positive spin on that.

Because to claim that these facts are indicative of "progress" is an outright falsehood."
Shambles, my measure of progress was centred around our performances after the Galway league match and up to the Armagh replay, in terms of our style of play and energy levels, which you would know since you read my post. This was a real improvement from the previous negative rubbish.

I don't claim to be ecstatic about everything else. I certainly didn't claim to be overjoyed at the facts you mentioned. You're the one guilty of a 'an outright falsehood ' by linking my post to those facts. Our performance against Tyrone was like yourself, a Cavan Shambles. Time will tell if we are on a real progress path in the coming league. I believe that Mickey has the ability to regroup, replace a few players with better, and perhaps his mgnt team too, and get us back to Div 1 playing decent attacking football."
Fair enough if I misinterpreted your post.

I understand what you're saying but it's no consolation for how the year ended up.

I just think it's a futile exercise to put faith in a broken system. Tweaking things here and there by playing such and such a player is avoiding the fundamental reality that football in this county is broken from the ground up. Hoping that things might improve next year is what we've done every year. For the last fifty years. Like, have we to endure this failure every year until time immemorial? What I wonder is, what is wrong with the people administering the games in Cavan that they can't recognise patterns?

Would you personally agree that a solitary Ulster title for a half a century's worth of effort is indicative of a county that is doing something fundamentally wrong?

What meaningful difference did the U21 success make at senior level? To date, the net effect of it was to go from division three to division two, contesting one Ulster final.

So we're in the midst of the club championship now, and I wonder how well Cavan clubs will fare in Ulster? I have a fair idea, and it's not a positive one.

Its very tiring dealing with the same result every Summer."]Genuine question here! And I'm not been smart! What do you suggest to improve things! I taught myself things were looking up from the club championship last year to the div 1 league even though we got relegated to the championship up to the Ulster final! We now have a full time professional s+c coach! New good manager! Clubs like crosserlough and gowna, castlerahan ect putting their best foot forward, ! What's going wrong or what needs to be done?"]Yes, I agree that we have done something fundamentally wrong. We never replaced Peter Donnelly.

He was the common thread that built our Minor, U21 and Junior successes. He had us very well organised. Even though he had a bias towards a defensive setup, I believe he had the scope to develop and add an attacking dimension to our game, as he has done at Tyrone. When he left Terry was on his own and focused solely on Peter's defensive strategies.

This was our biggest mistake. We should have had a forward thinking coach working alongside Terry after Peter left. Not placing all the blame on Terry and I acknowledge that he sadly lost another wonderful influence on that group in Joe McCarthy RIP. However, I believe that we squandered a potential golden era and it may be a while before the next one comes by.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 02/08/2019 18:52:52    2219856

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "There's more to progress than winning matches. Progress is determined by improved performances ."
Stayininthehouse, you are either hilarious as a Prangster or ridiculous as a genuine contributor. You're doing so many U turns it's becoming impossible to keep up with you. Wins, performances? Make up your mind.

I'm in the performance camp and always have been. It was our performances after the Galway leagues game and up to the Armagh replay that encouraged me to declare it a good year. But I think you knew that didn't you?

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 02/08/2019 18:59:32    2219860

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "There's more to progress than winning matches. Progress is determined by improved performances ."
Stayininthehouse, you are either hilarious as a Prangster or ridiculous as a genuine contributor. You're doing so many U turns it's becoming impossible to keep up with you. Wins, performances? Make up your mind.

I'm in the performance camp and always have been. It was our performances after the Galway leagues game and up to the Armagh replay that encouraged me to declare it a good year. But I think you knew that didn't you?

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 02/08/2019 18:59:32    2219861

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Replying To ondforty:  "Stayininthehouse, you are either hilarious as a Prangster or ridiculous as a genuine contributor. You're doing so many U turns it's becoming impossible to keep up with you. Wins, performances? Make up your mind.

I'm in the performance camp and always have been. It was our performances after the Galway leagues game and up to the Armagh replay that encouraged me to declare it a good year. But I think you knew that didn't you?"
The Galway league game was nearly the 1st league game of the year. I was at it and although we were in the game for 50 mins you cannot use it as a performance scale for the whole year.
If you remember correctly it was Galligan who kept us in the game with some outstanding saves before half time when Galway ripped us open coming through the middle. Nothing has changed on previous years. Management deserves time as they in their first year .
Please stop referring to the Galway game. It's plan you weren't at it

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 969 - 02/08/2019 21:13:06    2219898

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "The Galway league game was nearly the 1st league game of the year. I was at it and although we were in the game for 50 mins you cannot use it as a performance scale for the whole year.
If you remember correctly it was Galligan who kept us in the game with some outstanding saves before half time when Galway ripped us open coming through the middle. Nothing has changed on previous years. Management deserves time as they in their first year .
Please stop referring to the Galway game. It's plan you weren't at it"
It would help if you'd read posts properly. Look again and you'll see I said AFTER THE GALWAY GAME.
I was at that game too and it was torture. Galway we're almost as bad. It was after this game that we started to improve. Keep up!

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 02/08/2019 23:02:32    2219930

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Replying To blueman1903:  "
Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "[quote=ondforty:  "[quote=Cavan_Shambles:  "Progress is measured in small forward steps and we have made some



The facts are as follows. We got relegated this year from division one with less points than we did in 2017. Furthermore, in 2018 we lost to Tyrone in the qualifiers by 3 points, this year it was 16.

Try and put a positive spin on that.

Because to claim that these facts are indicative of "progress" is an outright falsehood."
Shambles, my measure of progress was centred around our performances after the Galway league match and up to the Armagh replay, in terms of our style of play and energy levels, which you would know since you read my post. This was a real improvement from the previous negative rubbish.

I don't claim to be ecstatic about everything else. I certainly didn't claim to be overjoyed at the facts you mentioned. You're the one guilty of a 'an outright falsehood ' by linking my post to those facts. Our performance against Tyrone was like yourself, a Cavan Shambles. Time will tell if we are on a real progress path in the coming league. I believe that Mickey has the ability to regroup, replace a few players with better, and perhaps his mgnt team too, and get us back to Div 1 playing decent attacking football."
Fair enough if I misinterpreted your post.

I understand what you're saying but it's no consolation for how the year ended up.

I just think it's a futile exercise to put faith in a broken system. Tweaking things here and there by playing such and such a player is avoiding the fundamental reality that football in this county is broken from the ground up. Hoping that things might improve next year is what we've done every year. For the last fifty years. Like, have we to endure this failure every year until time immemorial? What I wonder is, what is wrong with the people administering the games in Cavan that they can't recognise patterns?

Would you personally agree that a solitary Ulster title for a half a century's worth of effort is indicative of a county that is doing something fundamentally wrong?

What meaningful difference did the U21 success make at senior level? To date, the net effect of it was to go from division three to division two, contesting one Ulster final.

So we're in the midst of the club championship now, and I wonder how well Cavan clubs will fare in Ulster? I have a fair idea, and it's not a positive one.

Its very tiring dealing with the same result every Summer."]Genuine question here! And I'm not been smart! What do you suggest to improve things! I taught myself things were looking up from the club championship last year to the div 1 league even though we got relegated to the championship up to the Ulster final! We now have a full time professional s+c coach! New good manager! Clubs like crosserlough and gowna, castlerahan ect putting their best foot forward, ! What's going wrong or what needs to be done?"]Your question is a fair one. And I'll give my honest answer.

We need to cull the number of clubs in the county by a minimum of six.

It's literally that simple. I guarantee you that the standard will improve across the board. Too many clubs is like putting 99% petrol and 1% water into your car. It's diluting the talent pool. For example instead of one strong club in a given area, you have two or even three poor ones.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 342 - 03/08/2019 12:16:45    2220030

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Replying To ondforty:  "It would help if you'd read posts properly. Look again and you'll see I said AFTER THE GALWAY GAME.
I was at that game too and it was torture. Galway we're almost as bad. It was after this game that we started to improve. Keep up!"
In my opinion we had a better div 1 under Mattie.
This year the only improvement I saw was from the Drawn Armagh game ( a game we tried our best to throw away) to winning the replay( we were never renowned for winning replays). I thought then we had turned a corner. Even our fight back against Donegal despite them taking their foot of the pedal in the 2nd half looked kinda promising. Then the Tyrone disaster where no one stood up to be counted was probably the most disappointing display , lacking any kind of real effort. Remind you off the Val Andrew days.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 969 - 03/08/2019 14:32:48    2220076

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "In my opinion we had a better div 1 under Mattie.
This year the only improvement I saw was from the Drawn Armagh game ( a game we tried our best to throw away) to winning the replay( we were never renowned for winning replays). I thought then we had turned a corner. Even our fight back against Donegal despite them taking their foot of the pedal in the 2nd half looked kinda promising. Then the Tyrone disaster where no one stood up to be counted was probably the most disappointing display , lacking any kind of real effort. Remind you off the Val Andrew days."
Another U turn from your house. Back favouring McGlennon's results v his performances. I went to five of his league games that got us promoted. We won all five but I came away wondering how we won any of them. Our approach was atrociously negative. Maybe he was lucky and you are always better with a lucky general than a good one. I don't think this translates to football though. The final straw for me was our performance in beating Down in Enniskillen, by far Cavan's worst game prior to this years Tyone fiasco. Down came to fight, we parked two busses and the game was appalling. If that's what you want to watch good luck to you. I'd prefer to stay in a lower tier and play positive football. However, I won't complain if we get back to Div 1 as long as we have a positive approach and are competitive. I think Mickey can still do this.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 03/08/2019 16:32:02    2220107

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Replying To ondforty:  "Another U turn from your house. Back favouring McGlennon's results v his performances. I went to five of his league games that got us promoted. We won all five but I came away wondering how we won any of them. Our approach was atrociously negative. Maybe he was lucky and you are always better with a lucky general than a good one. I don't think this translates to football though. The final straw for me was our performance in beating Down in Enniskillen, by far Cavan's worst game prior to this years Tyone fiasco. Down came to fight, we parked two busses and the game was appalling. If that's what you want to watch good luck to you. I'd prefer to stay in a lower tier and play positive football. However, I won't complain if we get back to Div 1 as long as we have a positive approach and are competitive. I think Mickey can still do this."
If you read my post properly you would see that I was talking about his first year . But jump to whatever conclusions suit you. I compared his first year in Div 1 to Mickeys year in div 1 and I'm of the opinion we competed better in Matties.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 969 - 03/08/2019 17:09:45    2220116

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Replying To ondforty:  "Another U turn from your house. Back favouring McGlennon's results v his performances. I went to five of his league games that got us promoted. We won all five but I came away wondering how we won any of them. Our approach was atrociously negative. Maybe he was lucky and you are always better with a lucky general than a good one. I don't think this translates to football though. The final straw for me was our performance in beating Down in Enniskillen, by far Cavan's worst game prior to this years Tyone fiasco. Down came to fight, we parked two busses and the game was appalling. If that's what you want to watch good luck to you. I'd prefer to stay in a lower tier and play positive football. However, I won't complain if we get back to Div 1 as long as we have a positive approach and are competitive. I think Mickey can still do this."
When Madden kicked the winning point v Tipp to get us promoted, we were laughing in the terraces!
We absolutely robbed that one and tactically we were hopeless. Tipp missed a 30m free from in front of the posts to win that game.
We threw away a lead against roscommon in the final too, and were there for the taking v both Down and Cork.

We got it spot on tactically against Monaghan this year, and against Armagh both games. And I can't remember the last time we said that about a Cavan team. Possibly the drawn game v Tyrone in 2016 but we got a lot of luck that day too.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3620 - 04/08/2019 14:57:06    2220619

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Replying To cavanman47:  "When Madden kicked the winning point v Tipp to get us promoted, we were laughing in the terraces!
We absolutely robbed that one and tactically we were hopeless. Tipp missed a 30m free from in front of the posts to win that game.
We threw away a lead against roscommon in the final too, and were there for the taking v both Down and Cork.

We got it spot on tactically against Monaghan this year, and against Armagh both games. And I can't remember the last time we said that about a Cavan team. Possibly the drawn game v Tyrone in 2016 but we got a lot of luck that day too."
Makes one laugh Armagh were a division 3 team Cavan were a Division 1 team and you got it spot make up for christ Cavan are living in a fantasy world if one thinks this is progress. Monaghan will have another year in Division 1 Cavan will have to entertain Armagh in the Division 2 let's see what progress has been made. Mattie brought Cavan down to Division 2 and brought them right back up nothing less will be expected for 2020 from Mickey, failure to do so is failure end off.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4495 - 04/08/2019 23:07:45    2220930

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Makes one laugh Armagh were a division 3 team Cavan were a Division 1 team and you got it spot make up for christ Cavan are living in a fantasy world if one thinks this is progress. Monaghan will have another year in Division 1 Cavan will have to entertain Armagh in the Division 2 let's see what progress has been made. Mattie brought Cavan down to Division 2 and brought them right back up nothing less will be expected for 2020 from Mickey, failure to do so is failure end off."
Armagh were division 2 this year.

That's the 2nd time I've corrected you on that point alone.

Where did I mention progress??

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3620 - 05/08/2019 12:29:49    2221072

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Makes one laugh Armagh were a division 3 team Cavan were a Division 1 team and you got it spot make up for christ Cavan are living in a fantasy world if one thinks this is progress. Monaghan will have another year in Division 1 Cavan will have to entertain Armagh in the Division 2 let's see what progress has been made. Mattie brought Cavan down to Division 2 and brought them right back up nothing less will be expected for 2020 from Mickey, failure to do so is failure end off."
If you apply the same logic to Cork, would you say they have made progress this year? Relegated to Div3 but reached the Super8's losing every game. Is that progress?

I would say yes it is. Like Cavan, they improved as the year went on. OK, they didn't have a Tyrone nightmare like us but I would be happy if I was a Cork supporter given where they were in April.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 427 - 05/08/2019 13:00:10    2221090

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Replying To ondforty:  "If you apply the same logic to Cork, would you say they have made progress this year? Relegated to Div3 but reached the Super8's losing every game. Is that progress?

I would say yes it is. Like Cavan, they improved as the year went on. OK, they didn't have a Tyrone nightmare like us but I would be happy if I was a Cork supporter given where they were in April."
Yes shooting way above their status which is going to be Division 3 in 2020 and rightly so. One thing in Corks favor going to Division 3 is that they should now have I believe gained some sort of respect for each other and believe they are indeed better than one thought before the Munster final. You have to say in their favor despite losing all of the their three Super 8 games they were not disgraced despite what happened in the last 15 minuets of their Dublin game. They played three division 1 teams and were not shamed.
Armagh who will be Division 2 with Cavan in 2020 will have the pleasure of playing each other to measure their standing and a chance for Cavan to prove to me they were deserving of their win over the last couple of months over them which I don't think so. One has to admit however Cavan were division 1 footballers and Armagh were division 3 so on paper should have walked all over them ???
The only difference with the Donegal and Tyrone matches were Donegal took their foot of the pedal which made the UF result look a bit respectful.

Have Cork something to look forward too for 2020 I believe they have for this U20 team have some cracking young men coming forward and if mixed with the seniors I believe Cork may well be back in Division 2 for 2021 then they will have a chance of playing against a better level of football which will be good for them going forward. Cork are predominately a hurling county we have won 7 All Ireland football titles but one was in 2010 not that long ago and for many of us to remember and 4 over the last fifty years which which many can remember.
If Cavan looked on the positives and removed the negatives for 2020 they might finish middle table in Division 2. This will do them no harm for it will give them a chance to blend in new lads going forward and time to mature at a stronger level. As it stands they are a very poor senior team truth to be told and if management stick with whats there they will be division 3 for 2021.
Let's hope attitude's change with many and I hope they realise that management if they make changes that don't fit into your line of thought one must remember you are a panel player at the end of the day and the buck stops with Micky Graham if things go wrong not with D McCabe or anyone else. The only person people will remember is the Managers performance like Carr's 2007 to 2009 term despite the fact in my opinion went far deeper BUT it was his fault end off.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4495 - 05/08/2019 15:52:55    2221183

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Yes shooting way above their status which is going to be Division 3 in 2020 and rightly so. One thing in Corks favor going to Division 3 is that they should now have I believe gained some sort of respect for each other and believe they are indeed better than one thought before the Munster final. You have to say in their favor despite losing all of the their three Super 8 games they were not disgraced despite what happened in the last 15 minuets of their Dublin game. They played three division 1 teams and were not shamed.
Armagh who will be Division 2 with Cavan in 2020 will have the pleasure of playing each other to measure their standing and a chance for Cavan to prove to me they were deserving of their win over the last couple of months over them which I don't think so. One has to admit however Cavan were division 1 footballers and Armagh were division 3 so on paper should have walked all over them ???
The only difference with the Donegal and Tyrone matches were Donegal took their foot of the pedal which made the UF result look a bit respectful.

Have Cork something to look forward too for 2020 I believe they have for this U20 team have some cracking young men coming forward and if mixed with the seniors I believe Cork may well be back in Division 2 for 2021 then they will have a chance of playing against a better level of football which will be good for them going forward. Cork are predominately a hurling county we have won 7 All Ireland football titles but one was in 2010 not that long ago and for many of us to remember and 4 over the last fifty years which which many can remember.
If Cavan looked on the positives and removed the negatives for 2020 they might finish middle table in Division 2. This will do them no harm for it will give them a chance to blend in new lads going forward and time to mature at a stronger level. As it stands they are a very poor senior team truth to be told and if management stick with whats there they will be division 3 for 2021.
Let's hope attitude's change with many and I hope they realise that management if they make changes that don't fit into your line of thought one must remember you are a panel player at the end of the day and the buck stops with Micky Graham if things go wrong not with D McCabe or anyone else. The only person people will remember is the Managers performance like Carr's 2007 to 2009 term despite the fact in my opinion went far deeper BUT it was his fault end off."
I'll say this slowly. . .

Armagh. were. division. TWO!

You really don't have a clue!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3620 - 05/08/2019 17:05:14    2221223

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Yes shooting way above their status which is going to be Division 3 in 2020 and rightly so. One thing in Corks favor going to Division 3 is that they should now have I believe gained some sort of respect for each other and believe they are indeed better than one thought before the Munster final. You have to say in their favor despite losing all of the their three Super 8 games they were not disgraced despite what happened in the last 15 minuets of their Dublin game. They played three division 1 teams and were not shamed.
Armagh who will be Division 2 with Cavan in 2020 will have the pleasure of playing each other to measure their standing and a chance for Cavan to prove to me they were deserving of their win over the last couple of months over them which I don't think so. One has to admit however Cavan were division 1 footballers and Armagh were division 3 so on paper should have walked all over them ???
The only difference with the Donegal and Tyrone matches were Donegal took their foot of the pedal which made the UF result look a bit respectful.

Have Cork something to look forward too for 2020 I believe they have for this U20 team have some cracking young men coming forward and if mixed with the seniors I believe Cork may well be back in Division 2 for 2021 then they will have a chance of playing against a better level of football which will be good for them going forward. Cork are predominately a hurling county we have won 7 All Ireland football titles but one was in 2010 not that long ago and for many of us to remember and 4 over the last fifty years which which many can remember.
If Cavan looked on the positives and removed the negatives for 2020 they might finish middle table in Division 2. This will do them no harm for it will give them a chance to blend in new lads going forward and time to mature at a stronger level. As it stands they are a very poor senior team truth to be told and if management stick with whats there they will be division 3 for 2021.
Let's hope attitude's change with many and I hope they realise that management if they make changes that don't fit into your line of thought one must remember you are a panel player at the end of the day and the buck stops with Micky Graham if things go wrong not with D McCabe or anyone else. The only person people will remember is the Managers performance like Carr's 2007 to 2009 term despite the fact in my opinion went far deeper BUT it was his fault end off."
I'll say this slowly. . .

Armagh. were. division. TWO!

You really don't have a clue!"
Ha Ha little things annoy you yes Division 2 and Cavan were division 1 makes no difference however lets see how Cavan pan out in 2020. Why don't you make a prediction for 2020 then who will be playing division 1 for 2021 from that table ????

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4495 - 05/08/2019 17:50:00    2221237

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "
Replying To cavanman47:  "[quote=The Quiet Man:  "Yes shooting way above their status which is going to be Division 3 in 2020 and rightly so. One thing in Corks favor going to Division 3 is that they should now have I believe gained some sort of respect for each other and believe they are indeed better than one thought before the Munster final. You have to say in their favor despite losing all of the their three Super 8 games they were not disgraced despite what happened in the last 15 minuets of their Dublin game. They played three division 1 teams and were not shamed.
Armagh who will be Division 2 with Cavan in 2020 will have the pleasure of playing each other to measure their standing and a chance for Cavan to prove to me they were deserving of their win over the last couple of months over them which I don't think so. One has to admit however Cavan were division 1 footballers and Armagh were division 3 so on paper should have walked all over them ???
The only difference with the Donegal and Tyrone matches were Donegal took their foot of the pedal which made the UF result look a bit respectful.

Have Cork something to look forward too for 2020 I believe they have for this U20 team have some cracking young men coming forward and if mixed with the seniors I believe Cork may well be back in Division 2 for 2021 then they will have a chance of playing against a better level of football which will be good for them going forward. Cork are predominately a hurling county we have won 7 All Ireland football titles but one was in 2010 not that long ago and for many of us to remember and 4 over the last fifty years which which many can remember.
If Cavan looked on the positives and removed the negatives for 2020 they might finish middle table in Division 2. This will do them no harm for it will give them a chance to blend in new lads going forward and time to mature at a stronger level. As it stands they are a very poor senior team truth to be told and if management stick with whats there they will be division 3 for 2021.
Let's hope attitude's change with many and I hope they realise that management if they make changes that don't fit into your line of thought one must remember you are a panel player at the end of the day and the buck stops with Micky Graham if things go wrong not with D McCabe or anyone else. The only person people will remember is the Managers performance like Carr's 2007 to 2009 term despite the fact in my opinion went far deeper BUT it was his fault end off."
I'll say this slowly. . .

Armagh. were. division. TWO!

You really don't have a clue!"
Ha Ha little things annoy you yes Division 2 and Cavan were division 1 makes no difference however lets see how Cavan pan out in 2020. Why don't you make a prediction for 2020 then who will be playing division 1 for 2021 from that table ????"]On our performance against Tyrone , and when I mean performance I mean effort , willing, skill and general application I believe we won't get promotion . We might not even win 2 games.
It takes me back to the time Mickey was in charge of the Gaels. Remember that time? Came in all guns blazing. Led in a whimper after a year. Something similar looks to be brewing now.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 969 - 05/08/2019 23:22:00    2221386

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "
Replying To The Quiet Man:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "[quote=The Quiet Man:  "Yes shooting way above their status which is going to be Division 3 in 2020 and rightly so. One thing in Corks favor going to Division 3 is that they should now have I believe gained some sort of respect for each other and believe they are indeed better than one thought before the Munster final. You have to say in their favor despite losing all of the their three Super 8 games they were not disgraced despite what happened in the last 15 minuets of their Dublin game. They played three division 1 teams and were not shamed.
Armagh who will be Division 2 with Cavan in 2020 will have the pleasure of playing each other to measure their standing and a chance for Cavan to prove to me they were deserving of their win over the last couple of months over them which I don't think so. One has to admit however Cavan were division 1 footballers and Armagh were division 3 so on paper should have walked all over them ???
The only difference with the Donegal and Tyrone matches were Donegal took their foot of the pedal which made the UF result look a bit respectful.

Have Cork something to look forward too for 2020 I believe they have for this U20 team have some cracking young men coming forward and if mixed with the seniors I believe Cork may well be back in Division 2 for 2021 then they will have a chance of playing against a better level of football which will be good for them going forward. Cork are predominately a hurling county we have won 7 All Ireland football titles but one was in 2010 not that long ago and for many of us to remember and 4 over the last fifty years which which many can remember.
If Cavan looked on the positives and removed the negatives for 2020 they might finish middle table in Division 2. This will do them no harm for it will give them a chance to blend in new lads going forward and time to mature at a stronger level. As it stands they are a very poor senior team truth to be told and if management stick with whats there they will be division 3 for 2021.
Let's hope attitude's change with many and I hope they realise that management if they make changes that don't fit into your line of thought one must remember you are a panel player at the end of the day and the buck stops with Micky Graham if things go wrong not with D McCabe or anyone else. The only person people will remember is the Managers performance like Carr's 2007 to 2009 term despite the fact in my opinion went far deeper BUT it was his fault end off."
I'll say this slowly. . .

Armagh. were. division. TWO!

You really don't have a clue!"
Ha Ha little things annoy you yes Division 2 and Cavan were division 1 makes no difference however lets see how Cavan pan out in 2020. Why don't you make a prediction for 2020 then who will be playing division 1 for 2021 from that table ????"]On our performance against Tyrone , and when I mean performance I mean effort , willing, skill and general application I believe we won't get promotion . We might not even win 2 games.
It takes me back to the time Mickey was in charge of the Gaels. Remember that time? Came in all guns blazing. Led in a whimper after a year. Something similar looks to be brewing now."]My thoughts as well for it looks now very similar to his tenure with Cavan gaels it was disappointing really but to be expected for the majority of the players played with Mickey and knew his form. When they took over the county team I predicted if they are still there by 2021 Cavan will be playing division 3 football and would not win Ulster sadly so far I am right. As a paid up Club Breifni member I find it very difficult to stomach what is going on and I believe the next time Cavan are going for a new manager and backroom team that the County Board stay away from this roll and bring in an external group to interview potential managers and a backroom team. It's imperative that the county board have no input into the selection I mean that otherwise it will be the same old story. That includes the Chairman and former chairmen and publicans it's the only way Cavan will improve with a person who is not influenced by anyone from Cavan and the system.
One other thing I would hope is that no one from the manual coaches are involved. We need fresh blood fresh ideas and a 3 year contract subject to performances from the sideline. Should we get a person like Peter Donnelly or the Waterford man Pat something I cannot remember his name he went onto coach Kerry to a couple All Irelands.
We need to look after people like these without interference from the County Board except to make sure they are being taken care off financially and let them do what they are good at.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4495 - 06/08/2019 12:13:57    2221540

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "
Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "[quote=The Quiet Man:  "[quote=cavanman47:  "[quote=The Quiet Man:  "Yes shooting way above their status which is going to be Division 3 in 2020 and rightly so. One thing in Corks favor going to Division 3 is that they should now have I believe gained some sort of respect for each other and believe they are indeed better than one thought before the Munster final. You have to say in their favor despite losing all of the their three Super 8 games they were not disgraced despite what happened in the last 15 minuets of their Dublin game. They played three division 1 teams and were not shamed.
Armagh who will be Division 2 with Cavan in 2020 will have the pleasure of playing each other to measure their standing and a chance for Cavan to prove to me they were deserving of their win over the last couple of months over them which I don't think so. One has to admit however Cavan were division 1 footballers and Armagh were division 3 so on paper should have walked all over them ???
The only difference with the Donegal and Tyrone matches were Donegal took their foot of the pedal which made the UF result look a bit respectful.

Have Cork something to look forward too for 2020 I believe they have for this U20 team have some cracking young men coming forward and if mixed with the seniors I believe Cork may well be back in Division 2 for 2021 then they will have a chance of playing against a better level of football which will be good for them going forward. Cork are predominately a hurling county we have won 7 All Ireland football titles but one was in 2010 not that long ago and for many of us to remember and 4 over the last fifty years which which many can remember.
If Cavan looked on the positives and removed the negatives for 2020 they might finish middle table in Division 2. This will do them no harm for it will give them a chance to blend in new lads going forward and time to mature at a stronger level. As it stands they are a very poor senior team truth to be told and if management stick with whats there they will be division 3 for 2021.
Let's hope attitude's change with many and I hope they realise that management if they make changes that don't fit into your line of thought one must remember you are a panel player at the end of the day and the buck stops with Micky Graham if things go wrong not with D McCabe or anyone else. The only person people will remember is the Managers performance like Carr's 2007 to 2009 term despite the fact in my opinion went far deeper BUT it was his fault end off."
I'll say this slowly. . .

Armagh. were. division. TWO!

You really don't have a clue!"
Ha Ha little things annoy you yes Division 2 and Cavan were division 1 makes no difference however lets see how Cavan pan out in 2020. Why don't you make a prediction for 2020 then who will be playing division 1 for 2021 from that table ????"]On our performance against Tyrone , and when I mean performance I mean effort , willing, skill and general application I believe we won't get promotion . We might not even win 2 games.
It takes me back to the time Mickey was in charge of the Gaels. Remember that time? Came in all guns blazing. Led in a whimper after a year. Something similar looks to be brewing now."]My thoughts as well for it looks now very similar to his tenure with Cavan gaels it was disappointing really but to be expected for the majority of the players played with Mickey and knew his form. When they took over the county team I predicted if they are still there by 2021 Cavan will be playing division 3 football and would not win Ulster sadly so far I am right. As a paid up Club Breifni member I find it very difficult to stomach what is going on and I believe the next time Cavan are going for a new manager and backroom team that the County Board stay away from this roll and bring in an external group to interview potential managers and a backroom team. It's imperative that the county board have no input into the selection I mean that otherwise it will be the same old story. That includes the Chairman and former chairmen and publicans it's the only way Cavan will improve with a person who is not influenced by anyone from Cavan and the system.
One other thing I would hope is that no one from the manual coaches are involved. We need fresh blood fresh ideas and a 3 year contract subject to performances from the sideline. Should we get a person like Peter Donnelly or the Waterford man Pat something I cannot remember his name he went onto coach Kerry to a couple All Irelands.
We need to look after people like these without interference from the County Board except to make sure they are being taken care off financially and let them do what they are good at."]Get pat what's his face from Waterford in NOW..
This time next year we will be winning Sam

Benjy1000 (Cavan) - Posts: 69 - 06/08/2019 13:40:59    2221589

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